Replica AK-47 BB guns allowed into Canada

Replica AK-47 BB guns allowed into Canada

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The RCMP are racing to track down and seize hundreds of replica AK-47 BB guns imported from China that investigators fear can be easily reconfigured into deadly prohibited weapons.

Messina was handcuffed by RCMP investigators last Friday during a search of his store and officers seized two of the weapons which Messina said he believed were harmless.

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This is just pure stupidity on my government's fault.

The Canadian government has had a serious hardon for eliminating replica guns from the public, especially airsoft guns (instead we legally have an extemely crappy "softair" brand that look like toys, discouraging the entire hobby).

In the article's case, BB guns with Type-56 assault rifle parts such as handgrips and stocks (not uncommon to serious hobbyists) were allowed into the Canadian market, APPROVED by customs. The RCMP later determined that, somehow, these guns can be converted into real assault rifles.

SO what does the RCMP do? They investigate the Canadian stores selling these BB guns! This includes even handcuffing a store owning while they searched and seized these BB guns from his store while threatening legal problems.

I don't understand why the RCMP doesn't investigate the customs agency that approved these replica guns in the first place.

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I don't think it's stupid

It's the same here in the UK, but at the end of the day, it is pretty easy to convert a lot of these rifles in to the real thing!
And, even if it isn't, these weapons are so realistic that the police can't differentiate between them and the real firearm. That leads to lots of wasted police time, and unfortunately in some circumstances, people being shot dead by armed response teams, when they were carrying nothing more harmful than a potato gun!

Cheers

Robbie

A BB gun cannot be converted int the real thing.

Any modification to a pellet or airsoft gun to make it fire any real caliber ammunition would be about as functional and safe as any other "zip" gun manufactured from any number of miscellaneous metal and hardware store ephemera.

The notion that somewhere some gangter is making a replica AK pellet gun accept and fire 30+ rounds of 7.62x39mm ammunition is pure fiction.

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I have DPMS M4 airsoft. The bottom is from a real DPMS M4. All I would have to do is have a gunsmith drill one hole in it, drop in the lower trigger assembly, buffer and spring in the tube and buy a upper and walla! I now have a weapon.

Meh...to much work, especially when I can get something better.

And who is to say that the lower didn't pass QC, so they just started making airsoft out of them instead, thereby still generating a profit.

Originally posted by stratsys-sws
I don't think it's stupid

It's the same here in the UK, but at the end of the day, it is pretty easy to convert a lot of these rifles in to the real thing!
And, even if it isn't, these weapons are so realistic that the police can't differentiate between them and the real firearm. That leads to lots of wasted police time, and unfortunately in some circumstances, people being shot dead by armed response teams, when they were carrying nothing more harmful than a potato gun!

Cheers

Robbie

You obviously didn't read my post.

My point was that it was customs that approved this product to be sold in the Canadian market, and so they allowed it into the country. Then the RCMP targeted the sellers of this product as if they were the ones responsible for allowing these "dangerous weapons" into the access of the public.

PS: You can't turn an airsoft gun or a pellet/BB gun into a real gun. That's pure fantasy, as previously mentioned. Just because you have real parts on your replica gun, doesn't mean that it can be converted into a real gun without a real chamber, a real barrel, a real trigger mechanism, and real bullets (which is all you need to make a functioning gun with).

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At that point you're just building a complete gun.

It's like saying an aluminum ingot can be converted into a firearm.

If a smith is going to drill that airsoft lower to accept a real upper that smith can just machine a lower from scratch anyway so the existence of the airsoft lower is moot.

Here's a good one for "conversion" fears: Print your own AR lower

Plus, it sounds like their biggest concern is the furniture on these BB guns. Reminds me of the purely aesthetic nonsense of Clinton's AWB. If the furniture is the issue then it's a non-issue. Oh noes! A pistol grip made its way into the country!!

I dont see what the big deal is, its a well known fact that criminals will always be able to obtain firearms and weapons from other illegitamate sources. Also any good machinist that really wanted to can make one anyways.

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Yep, at the weapons auction site I frequent a DPMS lower goes for $79.00.

My Airsoft was $179.00. But it's still fun to shoot the various nuisance critters to chase them away.

What I find annoying is how anti-gun nuts keep dusting off old failed policies and trying to revive them.

But part of me is satisfied that Canada has some screwed up governmental agencies like the US. I guess misery loves company.

These BB guns can be made into the real deal.
I have looked at one and took it apart and everything.
You would need rivet guns, a barrel press, and all around know how of the gun.
It wouldnt be that hard if you got the pieces for it. I think customs shouldnt of even let them in.
Why make a big deal if they are already here? they would never be able to seize them all.

It has the real reciever, stock, grips. All you need is the trigger, barrel, gas system, and all the misc. parts.

Jokes on customs.

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Again as other posters have said not only is it very dangerous but it is also alot more work than what is necassary with the right connections anyone can get a firearm anywhere illegally any time too bad guys always have fire power. Its kind of like drugs no matter how illegal people that want them can find them, tell me after Germany was disarmed after ww2 that there wasnt guns there either (for example)

Originally posted by Brotherman
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Again as other posters have said not only is it very dangerous but it is also alot more work than what is necassary

Yeah i know, i never said i was going to do it? id rather just spend my money on a real one, instead of blowing my face off making one. lol. But my post means that anyone with the right people in their wallet, can make it into a working firearm.

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LOL anyone with a pocket book to waste cash like that probably already owns a few anyways I know I would

Why would any criminal in Canada use a crappy Chinese Airsoft gun to make a firearm. If they just ask the BATF will smuggle them a real Chinese AK across the border and then profess that our guns are killing Canadians.
Operation Moose Bacon is born.

An investigation by CBC News revealed Kaye has been selling the replica assault rifle for about a year for between $250 and $299, promoting it as: "Excellent, with an all metal and wood construction. This gun is more like a real AK-47 than it's like a BB gun." Kaye also told an online discussion group for BB and pellet gun owners, "the [body] portion of this gun is from a real AK!!"

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It sounds like these could be converted into the real deal.

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Real AK-47s are already available on the underground market here.

The government wants the public to be extremely sensitive against private ownership of guns. I'm not even allowed a firearms license for hunting purposes because I am openly critical of the government.

Originally posted by bluemooone2

An investigation by CBC News revealed Kaye has been selling the replica assault rifle for about a year for between $250 and $299, promoting it as: "Excellent, with an all metal and wood construction. This gun is more like a real AK-47 than it's like a BB gun." Kaye also told an online discussion group for BB and pellet gun owners, "the [body] portion of this gun is from a real AK!!"

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It sounds like these could be converted into the real deal.

No they cannot. In order for the conversion, you need to either buy or build the missing real parts. The parts not included, when put together, form the actual operating parts of a gun. The parts on these BB guns are not the functional parts.

With the RCMP's logic, any pellet gun with a wooden stock can be modified into a real rifle if you replace the pellet chamber with a rifle assembly, add a magazine and change the barrel.

i am a serious hobbyist and and have repaored lots of airsoft guns over the years and none of them i have come across even the high end ones that sale for nearly same amount as real guns are able to be converted to fire 223 Remington the guns are generally made out of plastic or pot metal like you find in match box cars.. it just doesnt have the ability to hold up to the forces and pressures associated with real fire arms. most run off of electric motors or propane and lube mixture called green gas. my top of the line hk 416 replica has a muzzle velocity of 448 feet per second and fires .28 gram 6 mm bbs. it retailed for 500 dollars when i ordered it from china years ago and unless you took it apart uou wouldn't be able to tell it from real hk 416 unless you fired it, it is a gas blowback design which means it functions similar to a real steel gun as gas pressure forces bolt open but there is no firing pin just a anozzle to force gas to push out bb.yes furniture ie hand grips scopes stocks ris all are same as real rifle you cant convert to fire real ammo reiceiver designed for 6 mm bbs not full size rifle rounds

A pellet gun with a MV over 490fps is considered a "firearm" here, so this kind of draconian behaviour doesn't surprise me one bit.

Armed citizens are a threat to BigGov it has nothing to do with "keeping people safe"

The gun registry does nothing to prevent crime as criminals buy weapons on the black market in any case. Even the most dough-filled bucket can understand this.

Some folks in the states think they have it bad? I get pulled over and then questioned about the bat i have in the back seat... "uh... I'm on my way to the park...."

These bb guns can not be converted, it's no more than converting your cell phone into a real gun. Can you smell BS...