In memory of Col. Muammar Gaddafi...For those who don't know, the truth revealed

He did great things for his country but that does not mean there also werent any human rights violations. I mean look at all the good that hitler did for his country

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The scumbag got what he deserved.

reply to post by evs490


I'm not glorifying him but bringing to attention what people don't know or may not be aware of.

My other reasons are to draw attention to the purpose of the rebellion, which is NOT to give the people freedom.

reply to post by LightAssassin


Hi LightAssasin,

I think it is good that you question what you see before you. Not enough people do this. As with my other posts though, having being there it is good he is dead. I do not like celebrating death and in all honesty that is probably the wrong word to describe it - for me as a westerner. As a Libyan, i would be delighted. One of the families that we deal with in benghazi (have set up construction companies, etc) were actually fairly closely tied to Gadhaffi with grandad and dad of our main contact being former brigadiers in the army - both were very much anti gadhaffi before and during the rebellion but again, would only voice opinions when alone in the car or similar situations.

Back to questioning of sources, whilst this should be true with the msm, it also applies to the links that you have provided. Each of those pieces is also made by someone who has an agenda and therefore equally biased. As someone has pointed out before me, the truth in this case lies somewhere in between. From my time in Libya, he was a nightmarish character. At the beginning? He wanted a developed and integrated Libya with a high global standing and wonderful resources. Which leaves us back at the "power corrupts" point again sadly.

Now i will also add that for someone who is "glad" that he is dead, i have been horrified with the footage of how he died. Whatever his sins, he should have had a trial and be made accountable for his actions as you can hear one of the rebels shouting over and over again "we need him alive....we need him alive". For anyone to die in that way is horrifying, he looked totally terrified. However, as i have said in an earlier post, it is hard to judge by western standards as we have not lived under similar circumstances.

reply to post by LightAssassin


Im sorry but i have to again disagree with you here. The rebellion started in benghazi where i lived and where most of the libyans i know are from. The origins of the rebellion were actually not to get Gadhaffi out of power but to gain more freedoms. When these started being suppressed, the movement grew to one demanding outright change of leadership and the removal of fear from society. Anything else that may result simply wasn't the goal for the Libyans. Clearly, i have no idea (and nor do the rest of us if we are honest) what the goals of the "allied" forces were although we could probably hazard a cynical guess.

Was Gadhaffi good at the start? Yes.

Was Gadhaffi good at the end? No, he was a terror to his own people

reply to post by Flavian


The info checks out in all the videos supplied. Truth has no agenda. The last 5 years Gaddafi has invested in large projects throughout Africa and had some very big and wonderful ideas, that would really really have upset the EU/IMF/U.SofA.

I agree with you though, hence the star, but the purpose of the rebellion, sadly, is not for the benefit of the people, as I have mentioned.

Were the rebellions 'for the people' at the start? Yes.
At the end? No. It has been hijacked. Successfully too.

What this represents, for those who don't live there and get to see the 'bigger picture' is that this has signed the death certificate for the country. You really think they are going to release those funds? You really think an Africa with Gaddafi gone is going to be more stable than with a man who has invested nearly 1 Billion to help Africa stand on its own feet, at the behest of World Bankers?

You once stated that I seemed intelligent. I now propose the same remark and question. Just think about it....

I personally think that anyone who celebrates the death of Muammar Gaddafi(an old man) have some serious issues. Unfortunately 95% of the sheeple out there believe the picture that the NWO have painted via TV/News/Net about this man and refuse/cannot read between the lines.

Siria's next, then Iran just wait and see. Then the c**p will really hit the fan!

WWIII coming to a town near you!

NEED

The freedom of a human being is lacking if his or her needs are controlled by others, for
need may lead to the enslavement of one person by another. Furthermore, exploitation is
caused by need. Need is an intrinsic problem and conflict is initiated by the control of
one's needs by another.

HOUSING

Housing is an essential need for both the individual and the family and should not be
owned by others. Living in another's house, whether paying rent or not, compromises
freedom. Attempts made by various countries to solve the housing problem did not
provide a definite solution because such attempts did not target the ultimate solution - the
necessity that people own their dwellings - but rather offered the reduction, increase, or
standardization of rent, whether it went to privately or publicly-owned enterprise. In a
socialist society, no one, including society itself, has the right to control people's needs.
No one has the right to acquire a house additional to his or her own dwelling and that of
his or her heirs for the purpose of renting it because this additional house is, in fact, a
need of someone else. Acquiring it for such a purpose is the beginning of controlling the
needs of others, and "in need freedom is latent".

INCOME

Income is an imperative need for man. In a socialist society, it should not be in the form of
wages from any source or charity from any one. In this society, there are no wage-earners,
but only partners. One's income is a private matter and should either be managed privately
to meet one's needs or be a share from a production process of which one is an essential
component. It should not be a wage in return for production.

MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION

Transportation is also a necessity both to the individual and to the family. It should not be
owned by others. In a socialist society, no person or authority has the right to own a
means of transportation for the purpose of renting it, for this also means controlling the
needs of others.

LAND

Land is the private property of none. Rather, everyone has the right to beneficially utilize it
by working, farming or pasturing as long as he and his heirs live on it - to satisfy their
needs, but without employing others with or without a wage. If lands were privately own

They cant kill idea

reply to post by LightAssassin


He has done an awful lot of good for the rest of Africa. What you aren't mentioning though is that whilst he was doing all this good for the rest of Africa, he was murdering and repressing his own people and this is why i am glad he is gone.

This has nothing to do with outside agendas, etc but everything for the people i know from Libya and for their friends and families, i am happy that he can no longer affect their lives. In that respect, at least, i have a personal investment in this issue.

As a leader for Africa, he was good. But then so is Robert Mugabe...........

I should also add really that as i have a personal investment in this situation, i possibly do not have the most impartial of stand points here. I can admit to this as the truth is important.

And you are correct with the point that you make about possible future outcomes for the nation. However, in the here and now, this is great for the people of that nation.

I genuinely hope that none of us (even those i disagree with regularly on here!) ever have to live under such circumstances and conditions. Like i have said to you before, i will never forget the look of fear i have seen on the faces of some people when they noticed police watching them talking to westerners

reply to post by Flavian



Is that not what the US has been doing for decades?

reply to post by Flavian


Really? Mugabe is good for Africa? OK.

On your way out don't forget to check the January 2011 UN Human Rights report on Libya.

www2.ohchr.org...

Yellow cake from Niger - LIE
Aluminum tubes - LIE
Mobile biological weapons labs - LIE
Weapons of mass destruction - LIE
"We know exactly where the weapons are" - LIE
Meeting in Prague with Atta - LIE
Powel - All our information is fact - LIE
Babies in incubators - LIE
Iran / Contra - LIE
Justification of the invasion of Grenada - LIE
Justification of the invasion of Panama - LIE
Not invading Cambodi - LIE
Vietnam "light at the end of the tunnel" - LIE
Gulf of Tonkin - LIE

If your wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend lied to you even three times about very important matters you would leave them but it seems the "relationship" many people have with the mainstream media and the government can survive virtually nothing but lies coming from one direction.

It's ironic that we get more support for foreign dictators than for our own "evil" government.

I keep hearing what a great chap Gaddafi was. Apparently people here are oblivious to crimes commited earlier in his reign. Flight 103 wasn't the only plane downed by Gaddafi. Indiscriminate slaughter of protestors. Woman and children jumping from a bridge to their death to avoid the snipers and slaughter on Gaddafi's order... this is your idea of a hero? Someone who was "misunderstood?" His open acceptance and support of global terrorism in the 80s.. it's in the past.. so all is forgiven?

He funded terrorist groups that commited mass murder. He made laws to curtail how much people could earn. He was a dictator people.. who wrested control of the country, conducted unjust wars (nothing like started a war because the other countries leader is a black Christian).. and yet you praise the guy. The mind just boggles.

reply to post by LightAssassin


Not really he isn't, no. However, he supports a lot of the same goals that Gadhaffi did within the AU so i was making the point that just because someone has some good points, it doesn't stop them being an evil ****

reply to post by fleabit


Praise some of the things he's done, frown on others.

Rebellion isn't in the best interests of the people. Not now, initially yeh, but not now.

What Libya will have now is constant debt to EU/IMF/US.

As for funding terrorist groups....hmmmm....CIA anyone?

Starting wars over strange reasons.....Hmmmm....Look 2-3 posts up ^ ^

The U.S Government is Dictatorial. Just hidden under the guise of Democracy/Republic. Nothing that Gaddafi is being accused of can not be in turn accused the U.S Government of.

Hey, they've even killed one of their own leaders now too.

reply to post by LightAssassin

He was directly responsible for bringing down Pan Am flight 103 in Lockerbie, Scotland (proof he was behind it was he paid the relatives compensation) the only thing that made him stop was Reagan ordered an airstrike on Libya and he was afraid we would take him out if he didn't stop with the terrorist acts!
You are really an ignorant person that knows nothing about the real world! Even though people that lived there told you how bad he was you still want to blame the USA for all the 'poor little tyrants' that are finally being killed!!
Your 'kind' plays right into these tyrants and these kind of people really LOVE ignorant followers like you!
If I was a mod I would delete your post as you did nothing but cut and paste all the propaganda that is out there for people like you!
I'm surprised a lightweight like you would use the word 'assassin' in his screen name since that is something that liberals like like you usually frown on! Pick a different screen name as this one actually is for someone that has the 'nads to stand up to the bad people in the world!
I'm glad he is dead, and I have wasted enough time with you and your hate thread!!

Praise some of the things he's done, frown on others.

Rebellion isn't in the best interests of the people. Not now, initially yeh, but not now.

What Libya will have now is constant debt to EU/IMF/US.

As for funding terrorist groups....hmmmm....CIA anyone?

Starting wars over strange reasons.....Hmmmm....Look 2-3 posts up ^ ^

The U.S Government is Dictatorial. Just hidden under the guise of Democracy/Republic. Nothing that Gaddafi is being accused of can not be in turn accused the U.S Government of.

Hey, they've even killed one of their own leaders now too.

Oh, I see.. if another country does something wrong, it makes it ok for Gaddafi. Two wrongs make a right and all that. This is just another angle in the endless war on sites like this, to prove what an evil, dictatorship we live in, in the U.S.

I still can't recall any time where we mowed down protestors with gunfire though. hmm.

reply to post by wulff


Paying compensation does not actually provide proof. People get extorted daily by their employee's and have to pay 'compensation'.

Criminals kidnap children and expect to be paid 'compensation' for safe release.

It means nothing.

I am not hating anyone. I dislike the chess moves being made by EU and US because this is going to leave Libya in more of a mess, which is part of the aim, than if Gaddafi had been left alone. Time will, of course, tell.

Honestly, I don't think you realise that ALL the World leaders are probably 'bad' guys. Most agenda's are self-serving, even the rebellion and NATO's involvement. Gaddafi was going to shake things up. United Africa. United Currency. Stability. Those ideas go against those who make money from African countries loaning money, who make money off their hardship. The west was going to be financially crippled with the moves Gaddafi was making. Poor Africa just will not be allowed to be freed of Western interests.

It seems as if anyone who never lived under a Dictator will always try to find some kind of "Respect" for one, no matter how ruthless that leader is.

What will it take for these people to actually wake up and realize that yes, sometimes there are dictators in this world that need to go?

Was our involvement needed? That's debatable but I don't believe it was. I for one am so extremely proud of the Libyan people standing up and taking their country back...for the time being.

reply to post by fleabit


No proof of mowing protestors down with gunfire....

When you make claims, post a link, so I can check it out. I am willing to become educated on the darker side of Gaddafi but I have searched and cannot find solid info on it. If you have, I am open to reading it.

It IS relevant because the countries enforcing this 'Global' law are themselves guilty of the very same crimes.