Most Socialist/Communist countries don't last more than 10 years

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by ANOK

 

There are still leadership positions in anarchy, it is more tribal for instance think of indian tribes and chiefs.

Of course there is, I never said there wasn't. Anarchism is a far more organized political system than most people realise.

Whatever system you go to their will always be hierarchy. Break this down to a family. The man and the wife are dominant over children, they teach their young to be self sufficient.
The problem is that mankind as a whole has not shown the ability to be self reliant.
In such a system their would still be a group that would try to dominate.

The coercive hierarchy of capitalism is far different than the voluntary association of people coming together for a goal using democratic decision making.

Capitalism simply allows supply and demand to determine the market.

How so? How does the private ownership of the means of production have any benefit in the market over the workers owning the means of production?

Socialism tries to replicate capitalism by trying to determine or influence where markets to go or where they want it to go and by they I mean the government.

Hmmm I don't want to repeat myself but socialism requires no government, read through my previous posts for more detail on this.

Socialism is the workers control and ownership of the means of production, anything that happens other than that is not the fault of socialism but the people practicing it.

The idea of socialism started with mill workers who thought they could be better off if they owned the mills themselves. It had nothing to do with the government, or politics, it was about the control of labour, and workers wanted to control their own labour.

The problem with it is that it simply can not do that without first running algorithms that still fail, because the market itself is ever changing and what is in demand today, may not be so much tomorrow.
The simple concept of money alone only allows those to trade goods independent of a bartering system where those only trade good for good.

I'm not sure how you can say this about a system that has never been put into practice to do the things you claim? Other than for two years in Spain when the industry and farms were collectivized (cooperative worker owned), and as well as increasing production by 20% they repaired the cities infrastructure, got the trams running again and charged nothing to ride them.

i would guess that most countries do not last for more than ten years even if they are capitalist