Been trying to figure out October 28, 2011

Well I think that the Mayan calendar is about evolution not the end of the world.

www.youtube.com...

One thing that people don't seem to understand is that this 9th wave that we are in is all about collective consciousness. So the OWS and other protest movements are a direct result of this greater awareness. In addition, people are starting to see through the curtain like in the Wizard of Oz. We are seeing right through the corrupt nature of the financial and political systems of the world.

I think that there is going to be an ending of the Mayan calendar on the 28th of October. One thing that confirms it to me is the disinformation about the date. There are now dates for the end of the world springing up, so the public is hit with Oct 21, 2011 and Nov 11, 2011 as well as Dec 24, 2011 and Dec 21, 2012 the following year.

The global elite know the right date and they damn well don't want you to find it out. They want a reduction in the population, that is they want you and I dead. They control the media and will obfuscate the date bu injecting a bunch of other dates into the public consciousness. They know the right date to slip into their underground cities that they have been preparing for years.

Another thing that really seals it for me is the Sun, earth, Jupiter alignment that is due to occur on the same day, Oct 28, 2011. There is no question that is going to happen and will no doubt have an impact on our lives. Possibly with a financial collapse. Who knows maybe the global elite will head to their underground bunkers on that day and be sealed in by the earthquakes.

One thing that is overdue to happen is an intervention into Iran's nuclear program. This will have a huge impact on the World economy.

reply to post by Archer8


I was really hoping I wouldn't have to go into a long exposition as to why the claims of Lungold and Calleman are wrong, but I guess I will have to. Let's start with the claim that the Mayan underworld had nine levels. This just isn't true. This claim exists due to the Christian influence of the Spanish as well as the projected beliefs of one researcher. In truth, Mayan cosmology was not hierarchical but existed all on the same level. This fact also negates the entire structure of this "theory." Namely that of the pyramid. However, there are other problems with their claims regarding pyramids, such as them all having nine levels.

Next we can look at their calendar itself. This is based off of a combination of the tzolkin and the Long Count, which makes no sense at all. These are two separate calendars that measure two different things and cannot be overlaid in the way that they are. Then there's the false and erroneous claims contained within their calendar. Their source material for this calendar is Coba Stela 1, which they say states the beginning of the universe is 16.4 billion years ago (more on this later). In actuality Coba Stela 1 extends back several trillion years, but this fact is outright ignored because it doesn't fit with the "theory."

Back to the 16.4 billion year claim. Even if this was when Coba Stela 1 began it still doesn't correspond to the beginning of the universe. All estimates currently put the beginning of the universe at around 13 billion years ago. A similar problem occurs with the other dates that are used. An event is claimed to correspond with a specific date, but in truth the date Calleman/Lungold give does not match the date of the event. For the other dates, they tie them to such vague claims that it is impossible to correspond to a single date in history. Then throw in the fact that the Maya didn't even have knowledge of many of the concepts, let alone words for them, that are used as the titles for the different "waves."

Just as an added aside, your claims about Jupiter are way off. Next to the Sun Jupiter is the highest mass object in the solar system, but its gravitational influence on the Earth is paltry compared to the Moon. Even if all of the planets lined up on one side of the Earth and the Sun was on the other, the planets would still only exert a total amount of gravitational influence equal to about 1% of the Moon's gravitational influence. Now while the Moon has been correlated to some low intensity quakes, it has never been linked to any major quakes. So, how do you expect an object that exerts a significant fraction of the force the Moon exerts on the Earth to cause earthquakes magnitudes greater than any the Moon has been able to produce?

In conclusion, Calleman/Lungold's "theory" is one of the more ridiculous one in Mayanism. While other researchers cherry-pick and shoehorn actual facts into a theory, Calleman and Lungold have created their own calendar and cosmology and then ascribed it to the Maya. This is not to say nothing will happen on October 28. Major events happen every day, but they have nothing to do with "waves of consciousness."

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Greensage

 

Why would Don Alejandro's "predictions" be correct? He didn't make any kind of predictions until Lungold showed him Jenkins' Maya Cosmogenesis 2012 and then his "predictions" parroted exactly what Jenkins says in his book. Of course, Jenkins has already be proven wrong, and he has even proven himself wrong on at least one occasion. At least Jenkins has done his part in proving other 2012 "researchers" wrong as well.

Calleman and Lungold on the other hand, who are the origin of the October 28 date, are a completely different can of worms. Their "theory" brings the level of ridiculous claims to a whole other level and it would take many posts just to begin to scratch the surface on explaining all of their mistakes and lies.

Well honey I don't know, could it be that I am not GOD? LOL Geez, so I mention some known "fact", fact because it is known and he did say this on video, and you seem to think I carry it like it is "The Word"!

If you wish to just degrade others with your ramblings about "what if" and "why not", or how ever you like to put it, and then pull out some obscure reason for it being untrue then simply offer up the info! Don't go throwing up on yourself, it only makes you look like you need a bib!

Seriously, you are the classic debunker, the kind that "spins" it. Speculation is speculation and it isn't hard to see the OP is running through all the "known" facts as they seek "their" answers!

You haven't stated a single fact, just opinion! Of course this means you open yourself up to others opinion of you such as this post in response. So if you wish to argue you are arguing with yourself at this point. Your pattern of behavior from thread to thread shows through quite clearly! Thank you for you un-needed input!

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Nice post but Your wrong, you don't have a clue to what your talking about.

reply to post by jsettica


Fine. You don't have to listen to me. But how about an archaeologist that actually specializes in the Maya? I think I'm going to have to go with the Mayan expert on this one over the toxicologist. Be sure to read each of the articles this one links to so you can get a complete picture of how Calleman's theory falls apart under even the most cursory of investigation.

Prophet of nonsense #1: Carl Johan Calleman - 2012? No, 2011!

Are we really talking about a zombie outbreak. OH HO HO HO. Such amusement.

7 reasons a Zombie outbreak would fail.

Here's my October 28th prediction. I'm going to a Bar's Halloween party. Getting drunk and dancing the dance of the dead to summon satan and his children (reptilians/Obamas/liberals/libertarians/non-religious-people)


/sarcasm...except the bar and drunk party. ha.

Also, before i'm chastised...i'm being very facetious. Chill out and laugh for once instead of saying we're all going to die tomorrow, or yesterday, or next week...blah blah blah. Or that we are going to transition to a higher knowledge or evolve into better humans. It's a great thought, and sincere idea...I just don't think it will happen. New Age religion =

Oct 28 was a date chosen by Lungold. His ideas were picked up by Calleman.

Pretty soon as will see that the prophets of nonsense are exactly that.

Well there was the interview with the one Mayan elder in regards to December 21st 2012 and he said it was just a load of BS that the media got a hold of.

Originally posted by Archer8
Well I think that the Mayan calendar is about evolution not the end of the world.

www.youtube.com...

One thing that people don't seem to understand is that this 9th wave that we are in is all about collective consciousness. So the OWS and other protest movements are a direct result of this greater awareness. In addition, people are starting to see through the curtain like in the Wizard of Oz. We are seeing right through the corrupt nature of the financial and political systems of the world.

I think that there is going to be an ending of the Mayan calendar on the 28th of October. One thing that confirms it to me is the disinformation about the date. There are now dates for the end of the world springing up, so the public is hit with Oct 21, 2011 and Nov 11, 2011 as well as Dec 24, 2011 and Dec 21, 2012 the following year.

The global elite know the right date and they damn well don't want you to find it out. They want a reduction in the population, that is they want you and I dead. They control the media and will obfuscate the date bu injecting a bunch of other dates into the public consciousness. They know the right date to slip into their underground cities that they have been preparing for years.

Another thing that really seals it for me is the Sun, earth, Jupiter alignment that is due to occur on the same day, Oct 28, 2011. There is no question that is going to happen and will no doubt have an impact on our lives. Possibly with a financial collapse. Who knows maybe the global elite will head to their underground bunkers on that day and be sealed in by the earthquakes.

Yes, it is our evolution into a new consciousness. Our awareness has finally reached critical mass. We will never be the same again.

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Yes, it is our evolution into a new consciousness. Our awareness has finally reached critical mass. We will never be the same again.

Individuals do not evolve. Species evolve.

If you think that there is going to be some new "consciousness" what does it mean? How are you going to tell if this happens?

I'm not sure about other theories and explanations of Oct. 28th but here's a video i watched a while ago in relations to 10/28/11.

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It is already happening worldwide.

reply to post by blazenresearcher


You say that, but the thought process in the Occupy movement seems to be more akin to the French Revolution than any change in consciousness. The only difference is we now live in a post-Internet world so movements can occur all over the globe as opposed to one single country. What we're seeing now is not new. It is old philosophies being aided by new technology.

reply to post by blazenresearcher


It's already happening? So why don't you answer the following, because I simply do not believe that is correct?

If you think that there is going to be some new "consciousness" what does it mean? How are you going to tell if this happens?

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Yes, but now more than ever we have immediate access to information. Not just information, but information that points out the right and wrong doings...stripping naked the powers in charge. In effect a mass consciousness! We also have access to information that until recently was only available to the elites or mystery school initiates. I'm sure we don't possess the ultimate knowledge that is under lock and key, but we have immediate access to a variety of sources and minds to enlighten our own. Again, a mass raising of awareness.

Information is information. Look at all of it and know what rings true with you. To me, it seems that events have followed coincidentally along the 9th wave timeline. I'm not judging any of the information, I just see what I see! It is not the end of the World, It is the end of our darkness.

reply to post by blazenresearcher


At best this new consciousness is the ability of hoaxers to spread their messages quickly. Before the internet it was much harder for hoaxers to spread dubious claims. Now it is easy. The internet does not means there is more reliable information. The material in libraries is still there. Some of it is available online.

Information is information. The issue is that people are becoming less likely to apply critical thinking in weeding out the right from the wrong. I hear this comment from many professors that are finding their students less interested in evaluating the material and testing the ideas of the material they read than just a decade ago.

That is a problem. It is not an increase in awareness.

Prediction vis a vis George Romero's"Diary Of The Dead" -

In the film Z-Day was October 24th. In my theory, today is followed by "Three Days Of Darkness", and culminates on the 28th when ___________ happens...

Please fill in the blank with your favorite post apocalyptic description.