How long will this rotten establishment be able to disqualify those who dare to oppose to them ?

Come on ...
If I borrow money in order to pay back my loans, it may be ok one time, maybe two.
At the end, all my money is for the lenders.
That's what the governments of our countries do.
But they have a secret that I haven't ... They may take money in your pocket, and I can't.
That's upsetting ?
If you're upset, go to WS.
Not INTO.
IN FRONT.
They may print monkey-money. If I do that, I go to jail.
Not happy ?
- Be a "new Hippy"
They may make wars you haven't wanted with your OWN money.
Not agreeing ?
- Become a "loser"
They bail-out banksters and allow the banksters to chase you from your home.
Revolted ?
- Whine with the "jerks"
Etc.. etc ...
How long will this rotten establishment be able to disqualify those who dare to oppose to them ?

reply to post by orkson


Don't borrow if you don't intend to pay it back or can't pay it back. It is that simple.

Don't buy things you cannot afford. Those who took out loans they could not make the payments on share equal responsibility. You have to be half mad to think the world owes you a house for free for instance. A liar and a crook.

I find it amazing those who borrow money and then try to get out of paying it back call the lenders crooks No honest person is fooled by that nonsense.

How Long? Well they been doin' it for longer than any of us have even been alive here on ATS. The only difference is that now it is getting much worse and quickly. Our current Potus is only a puppet like the rest.
the only way to kill a snake is to cut of it's head. We don't want to kill it though. We just want it to turn around so it slithers away. But it isn't going to do that is it? and further we cannot even identify as yet where, who or what that snake even is let alone do anything about it. We have suspicions. But we truly cannot Identify TPTB.
It isn't Obama or Biden, nor congress.
someone is in control:
How powerful would a person or persons need to be to frighten the most powerful man in the world? [Potus]
He really isn't even afraid of loosing the next election. Why? Neither were the Democrats in the House and Senate last election. Why? Because there is an entity more powerful than they that even they fear.
Does it sound like a conspiracy to you? uh It sounds so outlandish to me it just could possibly be true.
If it is We really Got Trouble
Congress and Potus bailed out the banks. the banks said thank you and raised our rates. even debit card use charges. The only people that care are those being raped [Bidens idea] by the banks by the proxy Potus and Congress. Abe Lincoln once said "It will all become one thing" and it is Banks, Government, industry. and someone or something is controlling all of it
DH

In short… too long. Many can't fathom the depths of this crisis until they're drowning at the bottom. Many will refuse to comply with change until they’ve been victimized themselves.
The problem lies in that; they don’t realize they are already victims; victims of the lie that is our reality. The name calling; jerk, loser, lazy, hippie, druggy, far left scum, is no different than tea bagger, religious fundamentalist, terrorist, socialists, or communists. Every bit of it designed to divide people with fear; fear of the unknown, fear of power, fear of your neighbors. If they can turn us against one another, they can keep us occupied while they play out their schemes. See through the lies, the rhetoric, the name-calling. We are one.

~FugitiveSoul

reply to post by orkson


They have been doing it as long as the lemmings have let them. You have free will. It is the I wants that get you. Live with in your means, means go cash basis. In reality the only debt you should carry is a Mortgage, and that is just because most of us don't have that kind of cash laying around. Trust me, the uber rich do not have mortgage payments.

You forget the basic premise the US of A was founded on and that is self reliance and freedom from Tyranny. We lost our self reliance and have allowed Tyranny to come on in and have a seat.

Pay extra buy US and when demand goes up we will see the US grow.

One step at a time and vote them out.

reply to post by Blaine91555

Don't borrow if you don't intend to pay it back or can't pay it back. It is that simple. Don't buy things you cannot afford. Those who took out loans they could not make the payments on share equal responsibility. You have to be half mad to think the world owes you a house for free for instance. A liar and a crook. I find it amazing those who borrow money and then try to get out of paying it back call the lenders crooks No honest person is fooled by that nonsense.

Agree with you.
But there's a little problem.
Your Government, you, the reasonable man, is exactly that : a bunch of crooks, a bunch of irresponsable gamers, who gamble with the money they don't have, borrow when they KNOW that they won't pay back, do whatever you'd be jailed for that.
I agree with you : that is criminally childish.
But they do it !

How long will this rotten establishment be able to disqualify those who dare to oppose to them ?,

As long as we cannot see other human being as myself. You lend your money to yourself with high interest rates?
Think about it.

How long will this rotten establishment be able to disqualify those who dare to oppose to them ?,

This is a painting of the ending of the peacfull protests back in 1831.
After two months of occupation, the establisment got tired of
the leaderless, disruptive, irrational mass of people.
They sent in some smart lads to get it sorted.


Bristol England 1831

So the answer to the question
"How long will this rotten establishment be able to disqualify those who dare to oppose them?"
is
Till opposition is silenced.

I would rejoice if they are only marginalizing and name calling.

Hell the veterans of WWI built a shanty town near the White house.
All they wanted were the benifits they had been promised.
The camp was eventually cleaned out with the Army and Tanks.

Tolerance for peacefull protest has been a hard won thing.
so get the message out now before patience runs out.


David Grouchy

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by orkson

 

Don't borrow if you don't intend to pay it back or can't pay it back. It is that simple.

Don't buy things you cannot afford. Those who took out loans they could not make the payments on share equal responsibility. You have to be half mad to think the world owes you a house for free for instance. A liar and a crook.

I find it amazing those who borrow money and then try to get out of paying it back call the lenders crooks

No honest person is fooled by that nonsense.

I am thoroughly impressed with your callousness...I can only assume you do not watch the news, you do not actually read any of the threads on this sight. Lets talk about the loans that they couldn't afford, those loans were designed to and written in a way to fool the average individual. For example, a family thought it was getting a mortgage payment of 450 a month and then after two years it popped to 1800 a month. Now you will say, it is their fault for not reading the fine print, and it is. However, most of those documents are so thick and verbose that very few of us are trained to read them the way they should be read.

Calling a banker a crook is honest....The banks use fuzzy accounting to absolutely ensure you owe more fees than you would normally if it was a straight ledger. We have gone over this numerous times, banks will put transactions into 'pending' status and then tally them when they wish, and it is usually when it will hurt you and gain them more fees.

We bought a house in '08, the mortgage was through a LOCAL mortgage broker, as we intended. The day we signed, it was sold to Citi. The home loan, property tax, and insurance payment were all due to Citi, and then Citi would pay the other organizations. Citi decided to take our payment and NOT pay the home owners insurance. We were not aware this was happening until we got a letter from our insurance company that said they were dropping us. They would not take us back because we lapsed four months. Citi put us under their insurance plan which doubled our monthly payment....Doubled, we were paying more for the insurance plan than we were for the mortgage. We still had zero choice, we shopped other plans, but because we lapsed, we could not get a policy with any other company....Even though we paid our monthly payment to Citi on time every time. My wife bitched about their actions, and they immediately put us into the 'new' modification program, not telling us what it was. They took our payments but didn't apply it to our loan, taxes or insurance because we had to be 6 months delinquent to meet the requirements of the remod program. Again, this was all kept from us, so now our credit was shot because we were delinquent, and then, they sold us to another mortgage company while being delinquent. We didn't even know who the company was for two months, nor were they able to tell us. "Sorry, your account has been closed to do it being purchased by another company."....."Okay, who bought it?"...."I don't know". We finally got everything squared away for a year, and due to economic troubles, we missed one month. They wouldn't except partial payment and started the foreclosure process. There was not any give on their part, it was pay in full or else. Well, the or else, we lost our home.

Thank you Big Banks. So tell me again, this is all the fault of the individual that takes a loan they can't pay back.....You know what, most of us want to make good on our debts. It is not our willingness that is causing this problem, it is the inability or disinterest of the big banks to work with the little guy. It amazes me that they would rather have a house on their books with no future, then to accept half payment of the back due with future promise. We were one month late, and offered that to them being just two days into the next billing cycle. Which wasn't actually DUE for three weeks. Yet they claimed that once it was 'billed' it was actually due, the 'due date' on the statement is just a 'final due date'. And partial payments were not accepted. This is just my story, and I am sure there are a ton more out there far worse.

Back to my point, I am impressed by your lack of empathy and callousness, it shows you are either too young to have had any real financial problems or your well off....Either way, you have zero personal experience, I am happy for you.