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Originally posted by ColAngus
What are your ideas? What is [your] plan?
I read what you posted, and no need to get snippy with the "what part of this did you not understand" comment.
YOU are making a big stink about this, and rightfully so I concede, but are you just keeping the Batsignal lit for someone to swoop in and figure it all out for you, or do you have any concrete ideas to offer?
YOU are making a big stink about this...
...or do you have any concrete ideas to offer?
...and rightfully so I concede...
...are you just keeping the Batsignal lit for someone to swoop in and figure it all out for you...
Originally posted by thorfourwinds
Greetings:
Meanwhile, back to the Fukushima World-Killer Nuke Meltdowns and the [color=limegreen]continuing radiation poising of our land, food and children - 24/7/365.
zorgon, what is your take on this?
Well, I spent three weeks following that Fukushima story doggedly... then in the end I found out three things...
1) Except for a handful of people and those that live in the area... NO ONE CARES...
2) We are still here... 1000's of nuke tests (especially near my home town) medical radiation, space radiation, CME's, cell tower radiation, microwave radiation... etc etc.. and we are STILL HERE.. and world population is increasing exponentially
3) Radiation is good for you
Greetings:
Thank you for your insightful and timely response.
1) We have been attempting to sound the alarm in the many nuke-related threads in our signature, and have come to the same conclusion: NO ONE CARES...
However, having spent the last six weeks on the road in the Hurricane Irene-ravaged areas of North Carolina, we were amazed - no, dumfounded - that [color=limegreen]NOT ONE PERSON we spoke with (including fellow First Responder Volunteer Firepersons) had any clue about Fukushima 24/7/365.
The Captain of the local VFD said that ‘... there is no problem, or the USGOV/EPA would alert us, and it would be on television, right? (!???!)
Revised Conclusion:
[color=orane]We, the people have been denied the basic information to make informed decisions as to how best "handle" the radiation poisoning nightmare.
...
As we have been attempting to bring to light for over six months (!), there exists a world-wide conspiracy in the MSM to deprive the general populace of the facts regarding the radioactive life-altering consequences of the multiple melt-throughs of the nuclear reactors at Fukushima-Daiichi.
Please listen up, people.
Your life and the lives of your loved ones may very well depend on your access to and use thereof of potentially life-saving information being kept from you by the MSM/EPA/NOAA/DHS/CDC/FDA/NRC and, of course, TEPCO/JAPGOV/USGOV and many others.
(...)
Liberty & Equality or Revolution
RADIATION WATCH AMERICA 2011
[color=limegreen]The Environmental Protection Agency yesterday reported finding elevated levels of iodine-131, a product of nuclear fission, in rainwater in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts. The levels exceed the maximum contaminant level (MCL) permitted in drinking water, but EPA continues to assure the public there is no need for alarm:
(..)
Governor Corbett Says Public Water Supply Testing Finds No Risk to Public From Radioactivity Found in Rainwater
(...)
'Rainwater is not typically directly consumed,' Corbett said. 'However, people might get alarmed by making what would be an inappropriate connection from rainwater to drinking water.
By testing the drinking water, we can assure people that the water is safe.' …
Nuclear energy is not good or bad, in my view.
What I condemn is the human arrogance and ignorance that leads us to think that we can control a force as massive and potentially destructive as this, or that the risks inherent in harnessing it as a source of electricity are calculable.
Chernobyl showed us how humans make mistakes.
Fukushima has made it abundantly clear that we are not in control, and that we are pitiful in the face of nature’s ability to determine our fate.
The disaster that hit Japan was bad enough, but did we need to compound it by adding our own stupidity to the equation by building nuclear reactors on fault lines?
Xanthe Hall
International Physicians For the Prevention of Nuclear War
Meanwhile the other doctors were ready to take to the streets.
Equipped with banners, balloons, and “nuclear“ umbrellas, we organised a flashmob in the centre of Frankfurt. ...
Liberty & Equality or Revolution
• It’s more a matter of something happened that we didn’t want to happen.
•
• We know its going to impact public health.
•
[color=Cyan]• There’s not a whole lot you can do about it.
•
• Once you let the horse out of the barn, hell, the horse took the barn door with it.
•
• We’re stuck, this is an accident that should have been prevented. It’s hard to respond to it.
[color=Salmon]And so what, the Japanese will have a few babies born limbless or with blotchy skin,
they will adapt to their environment.
You're joking, right?
My wife is Japanese, my in-laws are Japanese, and many of the surviving in-laws did time in Tehachapi and we do not appreciate your attempt at levity or derailment.
If you do not think anything is wrong, you eat the yellow snow and drink the milk.
[color=Salmon]Now just to clear the air, i do not like what is going on over there but we cannot help the situation playing keyboard tag with the mongering of fear.
Speak for yourself.
"Playing keyboard tag," as you call it, just might invigorate enough concerned citizens to get up off their lazy butts, turn off American Idol, Dancing With the Stars and Cupcake Wars and
question authority.
In April, the Japanese government raised its maximum limit for children from one to 20 millisieverts per year, a level that leads to 2,270 cancers annually per million people (or 160,000 lifetime cancers per million), according to data in a landmark 2006 U.S. National Academy of Sciences report on radiation cancer risk.
A massive outcry later forced the government to reverse the move.
[color=8AFB17]About a fifth of the 1,600 schools in Fukushima prefecture were exposed to at least 20 milliseiverts of radiation this year, according to a Bloomberg story in July. [...]
VICTORIA — The largest items swept out to sea following the Japanese tsunami in March could arrive on the B.C. coastline within days, oceanographer Curt Ebbesmeyer predicted on Wednesday.
The main part of the 20-million-tonne debris field, equivalent in size to the state of California, isn’t expected until about 2014, but houses, fishboats and even small freighters could already be close to Canadian shores, Mr. Ebbesmeyer said.
• There’s not a whole lot you can do about it.
...According to modelling by Nikolai Maximenko and Jan Hafner at the International Pacific Research Center at the University of Hawaii, the trash could reach [color=Cyan]Hawaii's main island by March 2013, before eventually [color=Cyan]washing ashore on the West Coast in 2014...
...The huge mass of an ocean debris field from the tsunami in Japan is headed towards the West Coast and Hawaii. The ruins of houses, cars, trees along with human remains are just some of the things contained in this floating island.
When the debris field hits the U.S. shores, some very disturbing and grisly findings could be among the garbage that floats in, according to NPR.
Vancouver News reports that [color=Chartreuse]a floating island, of bodies and debris is causing chaos in Pacific shipping lanes.
This island is approximately [color=Salmon]70 miles long and just one of the many islands of floating debris in the Pacific right now headed toward the US coast.
The debris mass, which appears as an island from the air, contains cars, trucks, tractors,
boats and entire houses floating in the current heading toward the U.S. and Canada, according to ABC News.
Over 200,000 buildings were washed away by the tsunami with their debris included in this field of garbage floating towards the U.S. and Canada.
The effects of this debris on the albatross populations of the North Pacific will only become known in time.
Already, they are at risk from ingesting small floating plastic items (such as cigarette lighters, toothbrushes and toy soldiers) which they mistake for food.
These items are then regurgitated to their chicks, causing deaths among Laysan Phoebastria immutabilis and Black-footed P. nigripes Albatrosses at such breeding sites as Kure and Midway Atolls (click here).
...The boat of about six meters long was found among an array of debris such as home appliances about 3,200 kilometers away from Japan on Sept. 22, about six months after the disaster, according to the University of Hawaii's International Pacific Research Center.
The boat, picked up by a Russian ship while in training, had a Japanese word reading Fukushima written on its body, according to the research center.
[color=FDD017]The boat had a "normal" radiation level, posing no imminent threat to human health, according to the research center.
The debris is expected to reach the shore of Hawaiian islands as early as January.
March 11th 2011: Tsunami waves crash over Japan, wiping out entire communities, sweeping everything that isn't nailed down out to sea. 200,000 houses, cars, boats, refrigerators, furniture.
You name it.
And this is where it all is today...
[color=FDD017]Giant fields of floating debris in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
U.S. Navy ships have had to steer around the islands of garbage, and now the discovery that it's moving faster than scientists had expected.
They now project some of it will hit the Midway Islands by January.
Currents would sweep it to the [color=Cyan]U.S. west coast in 2013, and back to the main Hawaiian islands in 2014 and 2015...
...“Different objects are moving at different speeds. Lighter objects are positioned higher in the water and are more influenced by wind,” Hafner said. “Our model is more suitable for heavy objects.”
A chunk of Styrofoam sits so high above the water, it acts as a sail and is whisked along by the wind, whereas a piece of wooden furniture is only moved by the ocean currents.
The new estimate is that lighter objects like Styrofoam will surf onto Midway's beaches this coming winter. Japanese debris won't hit [color=Cyan]Hawaii until early 2013, a few months earlier than expected.
The West Coast still probably won't see debris until [color=FDD017]approximately five years after the tsunami originally struck...
More than [color=Chartreuse]20 million tons of trash was deposited into the Pacific Ocean last March when a tsunami ravaged coastal areas around Japan, a mind-boggling amount considering that's around ten times the amount that usually winds up in the Pacific each year.
Scientists believe some of that trash is floating towards the Hawaiian Islands, and concern for Hawaii's environment and our maritime industry is growing...
"Does it make sense to go out and get it and handle it at sea?
People are asking, industry folks are asking.
Or is it like some folks have said, and just wait until it hits us."
Intensifying the problem is the fact that this is just the beginning of this story.
Maximenko believes the tsunami trash will hit us more than once...
...The researchers say it is a common misconception that the debris is in a compact area, which would make it easy to track via satellites in space or other monitoring equipment.
Instead, oceanographers estimate the debris field is approximately [color=Cyan]3,700 kilometers (2,300 miles) long and 1,800 kilometers (1,100 miles) wide.
Officials of agencies responsible for the Pacific Ocean environment say they are still grappling with how to formulate mitigation plans after learning some of the mess could begin accumulating on [color=Chartreuse]west-facing beaches of the Hawaiian islands as soon as March, 2012...
'This influx of tsunami debris, it's hard to tell right now exactly the beginning and the end.
But based on our kind of statistical predictions [color=FDD017]we expect to see the tsunami debris for less than one year from about September, 2013 on the West Coast,' Hafner said...
The Materials Recovery Facility uses single stream technology to automatically sort the paper, plastic, cans and glass collected at curbside in San José.
OSCURS (Ocean Surface CURrent Simulator) computations showed the locations of the debris field as of October 31, 2011.
OSCURS, as well as independent simulations from the University of Hawaii, showed the debris field stretched over an area the size of the state of California. Winds and currents had pushed the leading edge of the debris field, the flotsam closest to America, half way across the Pacific to a position north of Hawaii.
The two regions where most drifters collect or converge are in the eastern North and South Pacific. In the North Pacific this place lies between Hawai‘i and California and has been recently identified as the location of the Great Floating Garbage Patch, a huge cluster of partly defragmented plastic and ghost nets and other flotsam endangering marine life.
RADIATION WATCH 2011
Originally posted by ColAngus
• There’s not a whole lot you can do about it.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid this is the reality of the situation.
Of course, we can do many things to prevent this event from re-occurring at other facilities (which of course will not happen).
I fear there is nothing that can be done about Fukushima and containing/corralling the damage and effects.
At least no one has come up with a solid plan or idea yet.
What are your ideas? What is [your] plan?
I read what you posted, and no need to get snippy with the "what part of this did you not understand" comment.
YOU are making a big stink about this, and rightfully so I concede, but are you just keeping the Batsignal lit for someone to swoop in and figure it all out for you, or do you have any concrete ideas to offer?
Originally posted by loveguy
Forgive me for just shooting this out there...
I scanned the posts quickly and may've missed any mention of places on Google Earth being blacked-out...
Eastern Island, Midway Islands, United States Minor Outlying Islands
Latitude: 28.209396 | 28 12.563782 N | N28 12 33
Longitude: -177.330902 | 177 19.854126 W | W177 19 51
The pixellated/shaded has been there to the ESE direction a long time. I didn't look until after the tsunami occurred. I think I have some screengrabs...
If a country wants to keep a nuclear bomb test secret, it’ll probably do it deep underground. But even if you bury the bomb, some clues will reach the surface. So says a study in the journal Geophysical Research Letters. [P. Vincent et al., "Anomalous transient uplift observed at the Lop Nor, China nuclear test site using satellite radar interferometry timeseries analysis,"
Scientists analyzed radar satellite data of a spot in western China, where three nukes were detonated underground in the ‘90s. And they found that after the blasts, [color=Chartreuse]the land above the test chambers gradually swelled one inch higher in elevation...
Originally posted by loveguy
I'll be here next to the water in SW Oregon with my camera, metal detector, haz-mat suit and I can't budget for a dosimeter so...
In terms of retrieving their debris from the ocean; they have extensive experience in whaling don't they?
Get to it with nets and harpoons!
Sadly I lack that experience myself...
Originally posted by thorfourwinds
Originally posted by loveguy
I'll be here next to the water in SW Oregon with my camera, metal detector, haz-mat suit and I can't budget for a dosimeter so...
In terms of retrieving their debris from the ocean; they have extensive experience in whaling don't they?
Get to it with nets and harpoons!
Sadly I lack that experience myself...
Please tay away from that crap until you're absolutely sure you are safe...no dead heros needed here, but do favor us with pics, or it didn't happen.
When we wore a younger man's clothes, we spent some quite enjoyable times in Newport, 'schrooming.
Please keep us informed and, BTW, what are the readings there after wiping the windscreen after a rain?
tfw