Strange Dream about a Spacecraft -- and a Mothership.

reply to post by JustMike

Oh, and regarding q. 11, where you ask about "deception". On reflection I am not sure exactly what you mean. As I said, I have no conviction that I was "deceived" or that there was "deception". To me, the dream is what it is. But I am not sure if you are asking if within the dream, there was some kind of possible deception, or whether the dream itself (meaning as a whole) is deceiving in some way. I'd be glad for some clarification, and also why it's of interest to you. Beyond your professional capacity, I mean.

(End of edit.)

Mike

Welllllll . . . I suppose I could add . . .

I am utterly convinced that the critters are involved in the Biblical warning about THE GREAT DECEPTION of the END TIMES era . . . the deception so great that "were it possible, the very elect would be deceived."

So, I'm always looking for puzzle piece sized components of the umbrella deception.

I think one great deception is that they are wonderful critters either neutral, benign or out to do us good.

Another is that they created all the great religious figures of the past, including Jesus, according to their lying selves.

In terms of your dream . . . I was just wondering if you had any 6th sense or intuition or gut feeling or spiritual discernment that there was some level of deception going on.

However, the caveat there would be--sorry--but being candid--that anyone who'd dinked around with occultic stuff--however briefly and little would have had their discernment greatly compromised and would be very vulnerable to being deceived by such forces/powers/critters.

Such dabbling is seen as spiritually opening a doorway for a flood of such influences to dink back with you through.

reply to post by JustMike


FWIW:

Joints--if it's arthritus . . .

www.beinhealth.com... has a lot on arthritus that he's seen cured via his . . . spiritual/Christian approach.

He asserts that there is virtually always a root of bitterness/unforgiveness somewhere contributing to it.

In terms of colds, respiratory etc. sorts of things:

Vitamin D3 and Curcumin derived from tumeric have helped tons with such ailements for me the last few years.

Also the salt water sinus wash.

reply to post by Deetermined

Thank you for your post.

Your analysis is not without its validity. Partly in cooperation with some other members I have been working on some aspects of earthquake theory for some time, especially in regard to finding methods to consistently and accurately predict events. The interactions are very complex and there has been a great deal of thought put into this problem over the years by many people, both from the mainstream scientific community and those of us who are on its edges.

In some ways, just like many other people as they get older, I have a yearning for the times when things seemed simpler, when information moved more slowly, when more thought and time and effort went into what we wrote and shared with one another -- when even the number of people we shared with was much smaller and the individuals were better known. So yes, there is that aspect. It's also true that the more we learn, the more we realize how little we known.

The task that I and many others have taken on is quite daunting but I feel very strongly that we have to keep plugging away at it: to me it seems likely that some of the major breakthroughs won't come from those mainstream scientists but from others like us, simply because we tend to think more laterally and with less restriction on what we consider possible or not.

So -- yes. Your interpretation may relate. However, as there are other dream symbols that could fit just as well as the UFO/spacecraft ones, I am still left wondering why they appeared. Perhaps it is their very oddness that is significant. The paradox of difference, as it were.

Mike

Originally posted by JustMike
reply to post by Deetermined

 

Thank you for your post.

Your analysis is not without its validity. Partly in cooperation with some other members I have been working on some aspects of earthquake theory for some time, especially in regard to finding methods to consistently and accurately predict events. The interactions are very complex and there has been a great deal of thought put into this problem over the years by many people, both from the mainstream scientific community and those of us who are on its edges.

In some ways, just like many other people as they get older, I have a yearning for the times when things seemed simpler, when information moved more slowly, when more thought and time and effort went into what we wrote and shared with one another -- when even the number of people we shared with was much smaller and the individuals were better known. So yes, there is that aspect. It's also true that the more we learn, the more we realize how little we known.

The task that I and many others have taken on is quite daunting but I feel very strongly that we have to keep plugging away at it: to me it seems likely that some of the major breakthroughs won't come from those mainstream scientists but from others like us, simply because we tend to think more laterally and with less restriction on what we consider possible or not.

So -- yes. Your interpretation may relate. However, as there are other dream symbols that could fit just as well as the UFO/spacecraft ones, I am still left wondering why they appeared. Perhaps it is their very oddness that is significant. The paradox of difference, as it were.

Mike

Help me to understand what you mean by "oddness".

I believe the UFOs may represent that you're getting ready to enter into "foreign" territory and ideas with your project. The fact that you try to hold the smaller spacecraft still to take a picture of it may only represent the fact that you're trying to hold onto to something that you need to let go of in order to see the bigger picture (larger spacecraft) to complete your studies. I haven't read any of your past posts. Are your theories and predictions on earthquakes related to activity in space? If not, maybe they should be.

reply to post by Deetermined

The "oddness" is purely subjective, because I have only very rarely had dreams that even remotely relate to UFOs and the like. Plenty of "flying" dreams but in those, it was just me flying -- no machine of any kind required! So, to have such a detailed dream where spacecraft are involved is very odd.

As to the rest you said, again I'd have to agree that at a symbolic level it has validity. While most of my work re quakes only considers terrestrial influences and possible cause-and-effect relationships, I have also been looking at (for example) possible effects of lunar gravity and, to some extent, solar gravitatational interactions as well.

Let go of something to see the bigger picture? I like that concept very much in this case. Thank you... I'll certainly look into that more. But here's a thought: if I had not taken hold of the "smaller picture" (spacecraft) in the first place, would the bigger one even have come into view? This doesn't conflict with what you said, of course. It's just another part of it.

Best regards,

Mike

reply to post by BO XIAN

Hello Xian,

I'd rather not get too much into the eschatological aspects of what you've discussed. I am aware of them, and also that even within that subject there are a variety of perspectives and/or interpretations -- not only of Revelation but (say) also of Daniel as well. If you want more on that side of it then we'd have to go to private messages.

However, I'm fascinated by what you've said about these "critters" as being deceptive types. A key statement from your post:

I think one great deception is that they are wonderful critters either neutral, benign or out to do us good.

In the early stages of the dream I felt (ie within the dream) that they were friendly or at least benign. However, when the mother ship arrived and I was informed in no uncertain terms that I had to release the small craft or else -- well, my overwhelming feeling was of menace. There was not even a hint of hesitation on my part in complying with the command to let them go (and ergo, their craft). Although I can't recall the specific wording of what I heard, it was utterly unequivocal and went far beyond being some hollow threat.

As for an intuitive feeling of deception -- no, not within the dream itself. But on reflection, possibly yes. One question is why I was even able to catch hold of that craft -- considering what resulted from that action and the fact that if the craft's occupants had used their skills to nullify my attemtps, then the warning/command at the end would not have been necessary.

It's all perspective, I suppose. I can view it primarily from a symbolic level as "Deetermined" has done, or from your level with possible eschatological implications, or from a semi-symbolic level as "Westcoast" did, and so on. True, we can do similar things with many of our more unusual dreams. In this case I am not sure which perspective is best, or if the best course would be to combine various aspects of them.

I suspect the latter might be close to the mark.

EDIT to add: oh, about my joint pain. In my case it has a rather mundane cause. When much younger I used to ride motorbikes a lot, both on normal roads and competitively. Naturally, I had a few falls and my knees took a very severe pounding on more than one occasion. Much of my pain now is a legacy of that.

Mike

Originally posted by JustMike
reply to post by Deetermined

 

The "oddness" is purely subjective, because I have only very rarely had dreams that even remotely relate to UFOs and the like. Plenty of "flying" dreams but in those, it was just me flying -- no machine of any kind required! So, to have such a detailed dream where spacecraft are involved is very odd.

As to the rest you said, again I'd have to agree that at a symbolic level it has validity. While most of my work re quakes only considers terrestrial influences and possible cause-and-effect relationships, I have also been looking at (for example) possible effects of lunar gravity and, to some extent, solar gravitatational interactions as well.

Let go of something to see the bigger picture? I like that concept very much in this case. Thank you... I'll certainly look into that more. But here's a thought: if I had not taken hold of the "smaller picture" (spacecraft) in the first place, would the bigger one even have come into view? This doesn't conflict with what you said, of course. It's just another part of it.

Best regards,

Mike

I believe there's a very strong connection between earthquakes and the relationship between the earth, moon and sun. After finding out where you were from, I found an interesting article that you may be interested in.

elainemeinelsupkis.typepad.com...

You have a good point about the relationship between the smaller spacecraft and the larger one. The smaller spacecraft may represent what you already know (hence the reason you were able to catch it and hold it) and the larger one may just be an expansion of that which you don't know. Since you refer to the larger ship as the "Mother ship" in your title, they're most likely connected in some way, but since you weren't able to hold the smaller spaceship still long enough to take a permanent picture of it, something must be telling you to adjust your thinking in some way to make the two work together and/or create a larger picture.

So, if the small spacecraft represents what you already know (terrestrial influences), the Mother ship is probably the universe and space. Maybe your higher conscious is telling you that the two go hand in hand (Mother/Child relationship) in creating earthquakes.

reply to post by JustMike

In the early stages of the dream I felt (ie within the dream) that they were friendly or at least benign. However, when the mother ship arrived and I was informed in no uncertain terms that I had to release the small craft or else -- well, my overwhelming feeling was of menace. There was not even a hint of hesitation on my part in complying with the command to let them go (and ergo, their craft). Although I can't recall the specific wording of what I heard, it was utterly unequivocal and went far beyond being some hollow threat.

As for an intuitive feeling of deception -- no, not within the dream itself. But on reflection, possibly yes. One question is why I was even able to catch hold of that craft -- considering what resulted from that action and the fact that if the craft's occupants had used their skills to nullify my attemtps, then the warning/command at the end would not have been necessary.

It's all perspective, I suppose. I can view it primarily from a symbolic level as "Deetermined" has done, or from your level with possible eschatological implications, or from a semi-symbolic level as "Westcoast" did, and so on. True, we can do similar things with many of our more unusual dreams. In this case I am not sure which perspective is best, or if the best course would be to combine various aspects of them.

No sweat on the eschatology stuff. It is the frame of reference I live with; operate out of; have as a filter, substrate for viewing all reality with. So, to not include it in most of my comments would be to self-censor a big chunk of me. I don't find that fruitful nor honest. So I am just my candid self and let the chips fall where they may.

The feeling of "menace" has been often enough reported in a variety of contexts with a variety of such "ET" critters. And, as usual, there's never any hint of any negotiable aspect to it. It's virtually always THEIR WAY OR A VERY SUPER SERIOUS "OR ELSE."

Given the numbers of people who disappear totally off the planet without a trace . . . one would be excused for not wanting to test their "OR ELSE!"

I've rarely found symbolic dream interpretation very fruitful.

Every "expert" has a different slant on the symbols. Therefore, what functional universality can they REALLY have?

I'm not saying I'd never consider anything in any dream symbolic . . . I just don't get into the 'systems' of symbols type of analysis. If something is OBVIOUSLY symbolic . . . like running from something chasing one . . . when in real life, the person is chronically running from unfinished business; a bad boss; a bad ex apouse; a horrific past; etc. then . . . OK, I can make that connection. As a rule, I don't get much into the symbolism stuff because it just doesn't usually fit, for me and there's 12 opinions from 4 experts on such stuff.

If I have a profoundly impressive dream I take it to some Christian prophetic type with a track record of confirmed solid dream interpretation and ask them if they discern anything or get anything from The Lord about it. Then I take THAT to The Lord and ask Him what HE wants me to learn from it. If I have some inner confirmation and the input has been at least somewhat along the lines I'd already discerned myself--then I'd likely rate the input higher than if not.

In terms of your being allowed to grasp the small craft in the dream . . . I wonder . . .

then or on reflection . . . was there any hint of it being some kind of test or experiment to see how you'd respond?

Perhaps even to see how you'd handle seeing 'normal' humans inside such a small craft and then

able to grasp them

and then

the heavy duty menace message of letting them go !OR ELSE!

???

Each of those stimuli could have been quite an interesting issue for such critters, imho.

But then that may just be the psychologist in me talking. LOL.

reply to post by Deetermined

Thanks again for your comments.

To me, there is a certain logic in relating earthquakes with possible effects of the moon and sun. The latter is our primary, external energy source and the former has its own well-known effects on tides. Many people don't know or realize that it also has very small (but measureable) effects on solid ground as well.

About the use of "mother ship": frankly I used that phrase simply because these days, it has a common-use connotation and most people would immediately get the image that it was (a ) very large, (b ) directly associated with the smaller craft and (c ) the "power source", so to speak. (I'm speaking figuratively in the latter sense.)

I'm not sure who created the term but as it seems to be widely accepted and understood, I used it.

You know, some might wonder why I tried so hard to get pictures of this craft and hence actually grabbed it so it would stay still long enough for me to (hopefully) use my camera. The answer is pretty simple, I think: I have read so many threads on ATS that include the catchphrase "pictures or it didn't happen"! I vaguely recall thinking something like, "If I don't get pictures they'll never believe me!" ("They", of course, is the ATS crowd! ) The people in the craft didn't interest me from the point of view of getting pictures. After all, they simply looked like ordinary people -- so if I had pictures of them the response would be along the lines of "Duhhh -- Pictures of people? Could be anybody. So what?" It was getting some shots of their craft that mattered to me.

There's an interesting slant on this, though. We've been inundated with images and descriptions over the years that these "aliens" have certain-shaped heads, huge eyes, etc etc, to the point that many people assume that aliens must look very different to us or they're not aliens. But what if they (or some of them) look exactly like us? How would we prove that they were aliens?

And by the way I don't even know if they exist. On balance it makes sense that we're not the only sentient species that makes complex machines, so I'm willing to accept the notion of "aliens" but outside of this dream I can't claim to have met any. Knowingly, I mean.

But whatever, I didn't get the darned pictures...

Funny that no-one has asked, "Hey why didn't you get a picture of the BIG one when it was there in the sky right above you?"

It's also funny that the question never even occurred to me until just now.

But I know the answer: I was simply dumbstruck. I forgot about the camera, forgot about getting pictures. I knew what I was looking at and so did my neighbours -- none of whom were doing anything with cameras either. We all just gaped at the thing.

As for the rest, relating known concepts or ideas to trying to grasp the unknown -- yes, we could interpret things that way.

@ XIAN: As I have to head off to work very soon I will write a response later.

Mike

reply to post by BO XIAN


Bo Xian, I know that having a book of dream symbols has helped me a lot. Most of them will cover just about anything you could dream about. It can be time consuming looking up all of the symbols and placing them altogether, but I find that it works, for me at least.

For the most part, we have really stupid or weird dreams that don't make much sense. Most dreams are our subconscious telling us something we might not otherwise recognize. They are a tool to help us work through our simple everyday problems and questions. Here's an example. I once had a dream about a guy I was dating and we were both at his home. In my dream, he was playing basketball inside the house while I was doing his laundry for him. Pretty mundane and stupid dream isn't it? Who cares what this means? However, after looking up the symbols, it showed me that I thought he was irresponsible and my doing his laundry meant that I was trying to help him "clean up his act". In reality, that's exactly how I felt! However, there are prophetic dreams too. I've had one before and it turned out in reality exactly as it played out in my dream. There were no weird/unusual symbols or happenings in the dream.

As for Mike, since the spacecraft had human or normal looking people inside of it tells me that this relates to his everyday normal life. You throw in the fact that he saw himself as a youth, and I think that makes it even more so.

Mike, what exactly do you do for a living? Is studying earthquakes part of your professional life? Also, it would help to know if you're married or not. Could this dream be representing something in your personal life instead of your professional one?

reply to post by Deetermined


Thanks for your kind reply.

More power to you if a book of symbols helps with your dreams.

Certainly I agree that some dreams are prophetic.

And, I agree that symbolism can be at play in some dreams. I just . . . don't get excited about symbols very often as so many people disagree about what any given symbol or set of symbols mean.

Personally, I believe that most dreams are nightly mental sorting and filing sorts of things.

I do acknowledge that dream research is progressing apace.

Wow... So much to reply to and it's tired and I'm late...

A couple of things I'll say, though. Hopefully this will not be totally incoherent.

Xian: interesting take you had on how the "critters" might have reacted/felt about the whole thing. I don't know if they were more concerned about me grabbing it or that I wanted to make a permanent record of the "encounter" or what. No idea.

As for them being "normal", there is an odd aspect to it. As you know, we are socialized to behave in certain ways according to the situation we are in, and also, to a fair degree, to both the age and gender of those around us. Meaning that with much older people, slightly more formality is expected; people adopting different behavioural norms with same-sex groups and so on. (Viz for example the variation in language and behaviour if a group of women are meeting together when compared to a group of men, versus a mixed group.) But here's the odd thing: as I said in my OP, when I was in the craft and we went out into space and I commented on how wonderful everything looked, the "people" laughed and nodded. But I can't recall being able to use their reactions, expressions or anything to "identify" their gender.

At the time it wasn't something I even really noted but now, I have to say that they could have been male, they could have been female -- or one of each -- but I simply don't know. I only know that they appeared to be fairly young -- meaning around my own age.

I wouldn't say that they were androgynous, simply undefined. I'm making that point because I'm aware of common interpretations for seeing androgynous people in dreams. It was almost as if they might have been rather remarkable robots. (Just a thought.)

Okay, to Deetermined now
I'd rather not go into too much detail about my professional life. Let's say I work mostly with languages and their use and leave it at that.

Studying earthquakes and related matters is not my "paid" work. Had things gone differently I might have headed that way but -- well, there we are. It is simply a long-term interest of mine and one that I share with several people in this community here.

Am I married? Yes, for over a decade and a half, and very happily so. I have a very caring, highly intelligent, patient and understanding wife, who fully supports my "quake studies" and the other projects I work on. I certainly can't really complain about my personal life and feel that if the dream indicates anything, the answer to its riddle (if there is one) doesn't lie in that direction.

And as it is now midnight, I'll sign off.

By the way, I am aware of the spoonerism in the opening line of this post. I wrote it as the thought came out but then decided not to change it as it amuses me. I am prone to them on occasion.

Best regards,

Mike

reply to post by JustMike


THANKS MUCH for your kind reply.

Xian: interesting take you had on how the "critters" might have reacted/felt about the whole thing. I don't know if they were more concerned about me grabbing it or that I wanted to make a permanent record of the "encounter" or what. No idea.

I wonder . . . if you might quiet yourself and close your eyes and place yourself in those moments in your dream again . . . and try and discern . . . would you have expected MORE of a punitive reaction from still holding the craft moments too long or from sneaking a pic?

As for them being "normal", there is an odd aspect to it. As you know, we are socialized to behave in certain ways according to the situation we are in, . . . . (Viz for example the variation in language and behaviour if a group of women are meeting together when compared to a group of men, versus a mixed group.) But here's the odd thing: as I said in my OP, when I was in the craft and we went out into space and I commented on how wonderful everything looked, the "people" laughed and nodded. But I can't recall being able to use their reactions, expressions or anything to "identify" their gender.

Fascinating.

Please bear with me . . . trying to tease this out a bit . . . You felt ABSOLUTELY NO affinity for any same sex personage nor any contrasting sense like one may feel around the opposite sex? I'm not per se talking about conscious observables . . . more a 6th sense tuning in automatically sort of impression.

I only know that they appeared to be fairly young -- meaning around my own age.

Young in physical appearance?
Young in body language?
Young in unrefined, imprecise fine motor coordination?

Do you think it 51% or more--more likely that

A) They were youthful in physical features, appearance . . . possibly do to some rejuvination or anti-aging factors

or

B) They really were relatively young?

I wouldn't say that they were androgynous, simply undefined. I'm making that point because I'm aware of common interpretations for seeing androgynous people in dreams. It was almost as if they might have been rather remarkable robots. (Just a thought.)

Interesting distinction.

Certainly there are, in the UFO literature, reports of bio-engineered critters that appear to be under heavy duty control somehow . . . or at least heavy-duty programmed.

I'm curious . . . if the undefined aspect was more

based on behavior

or

based on role(s)

or

based on appearance?

IF you could tune in again . . . and imagine sitting at a leisurely lunch with each of the critters one at a time . . .

would you expect more of a same-sex familiarity

a contrasting sex experience

or a 100% neutral 'other' sitting opposite you?

And if neutral . . .

More neutral from . . .

a combination of both

or an absence of both--a 3rd NONsex, as it were?

Have a blessed weekend.

reply to post by JustMike


"(Viz for example the variation in language and behaviour if a group of women are meeting together when compared to a group of men, versus a mixed group.)"

If your professional life revolves around language use and behavior, you must be getting a real kick out of the differences between my thoughts and Bo Xian's! LOL! Even more interesting would be to know if Bo Xian talks about such things that he's written here with other men in person! I'd love to hear that conversation!

Regardless, the fact that this dream had such an impact on you tells me that when another particular incident presents itself (in reality or dream state), you'll be able to recognize it, tie the two together instantly and it will finally all make sense to you!

Best wishes!

One final thought that occurred to me regarding the "normal" aliens. I'm guessing gender didn't matter here. If they were young like you were in this dream, it may represent all young people. Specifically, that all young people are in "awe" of our universe and life while they still don't understand it. They can realize and recognize the beauty of it without trying to make sense out of it. It's not until we're older and more mature that we want to try and make some kind of sense out it, which can be a HUGE and daunting task. Maybe you're battling with yourself on whether to remain in awe of it or to try and make sense of it.

reply to post by Deetermined

If your professional life revolves around language use and behavior, you must be getting a real kick out of the differences between my thoughts and Bo Xian's! LOL! Even more interesting would be to know if Bo Xian talks about such things that he's written here with other men in person! I'd love to hear that conversation!

Yeah, I do. My Assistant Pastor has occasionally initiated discussion about such.

My UFO ping list on another site consists of over 150 names--maybe 51% or more of which are men. Alas, the site owner has been persuaded that discussing UFO's etc. is an effort to discredit and tarnish the site . . . so I'm now forbidden to post on the topic except to ridicule the topic. Sigh.

I've had several friends who've either also been interested or tolerant of discussing the topic. I've studied it since 1961-62.

Mostly other men asks questions. The more aware they are, the more specific their questions and comments. Many are happy to give a cursory swipe at the topic and move on.

My use of language has long been characterized as 'unique,' or 'special.' LOL.

I remember in 4th-6th grade . . . if the teacher asked some really complicated, convoluted thing with big words, I'd get it instantly. If someone told a straight-forward simple joke, I'd rarely get it. Was mystifying to the teachers.

Hello Xian,

I'll have to quote as I go in order to cover everything. I read through your posts and the ones by deetermined as well but will answer them in turn.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
I wonder . . . if you might quiet yourself and close your eyes and place yourself in those moments in your dream again . . . and try and discern . . . would you have expected MORE of a punitive reaction from still holding the craft moments too long or from sneaking a pic?

An interesting thought experiment and one I was able to do right away. The result was the same in both cases: a bad outcome for me! However, the conundrum is that I was holding the craft to get a picture of it. So, I would have to keep hold of it to try and sneak a pic.

You see? A no-win situation for me. I had to let it go.

Please bear with me . . . trying to tease this out a bit . . . You felt ABSOLUTELY NO affinity for any same sex personage nor any contrasting sense like one may feel around the opposite sex? I'm not per se talking about conscious observables . . . more a 6th sense tuning in automatically sort of impression.

No, nothing at all at that level. They were simply people.

Young in physical appearance?
Young in body language?
Young in unrefined, imprecise fine motor coordination?

"Yes" to the first two, "no" to the third. I am not aware of people around the age of 20 having unrefined, imprecise motor coordination. That was about their apparent age and they seemed without impairment.

Do you think it 51% or more--more likely that

A) They were youthful in physical features, appearance . . . possibly do to some rejuvination or anti-aging factors

or

B) They really were relatively young?

Unable to say. I have no sense of the source of their apparent youth. Put it this way: they could have been 5 minutes old in reality, or 5,000 years old for all I know. I only know how they appeared.

Certainly there are, in the UFO literature, reports of bio-engineered critters that appear to be under heavy duty control somehow . . . or at least heavy-duty programmed.

I'm curious . . . if the undefined aspect was more

based on behavior

or

based on role(s)

or

based on appearance?

(I broke this part up to make answers easier to follow.)
They behaved the same, seemed to have no discernible roles as in one being the leader in some way (they both seemed to be involved in controlling the craft and sat side by side. Their attire bore no insignia that I could see, either.

IF you could tune in again . . . and imagine sitting at a leisurely lunch with each of the critters one at a time . . .

Sorry, I've tried what you suggested and it doesn't work. I am a good visualiser but I cannot see myself sitting with just one of them. In my mind's eye, they have to be together. Perhaps it is because that is how I encountered them? Not sure.

Anyway, here's what I mean: I tried to imagine one of them simply moving away from the other just within the craft -- and they both start looking very distressed. Physically, they are separate entities but seem to have some high degree of inter-dependence.

By the way, in case I didn't mention it anywhere before, they look identical.

would you expect more of a same-sex familiarity

a contrasting sex experience

or a 100% neutral 'other' sitting opposite you?

And if neutral . . .

More neutral from . . .

a combination of both

or an absence of both--a 3rd NONsex, as it were?

Have a blessed weekend.

I'm unable to give much of an answer to this beyond what I've stated earlier.

Wishing you a blessed weekend as well.

But I have more answers to write yet!

Mike

Originally posted by Deetermined
If your professional life revolves around language use and behavior, you must be getting a real kick out of the differences between my thoughts and Bo Xian's! LOL! Even more interesting would be to know if Bo Xian talks about such things that he's written here with other men in person! I'd love to hear that conversation!

I find intelligent and insightful exchanges very enjoyable. The fact that you and Xian have some different perspectives on the topic only make it more so in this case.

Regardless, the fact that this dream had such an impact on you tells me that when another particular incident presents itself (in reality or dream state), you'll be able to recognize it, tie the two together instantly and it will finally all make sense to you!

Now, wouldn't it be wonderful if it worked out that way? Being a bit slow, I'll probably miss the significance of the event entirely, but all the same, one can hope...

and also:

Originally posted by Deetermined
One final thought that occurred to me regarding the "normal" aliens. I'm guessing gender didn't matter here. If they were young like you were in this dream, it may represent all young people. Specifically, that all young people are in "awe" of our universe and life while they still don't understand it. They can realize and recognize the beauty of it without trying to make sense out of it. It's not until we're older and more mature that we want to try and make some kind of sense out it, which can be a HUGE and daunting task. Maybe you're battling with yourself on whether to remain in awe of it or to try and make sense of it.

I think our awe at the creation around us only grows as we get older and begin to understand how little we really know: by my early teens, I was starting to try and make sense of some of it, especially the "three questions". I had a small group of friend of like mind and we'd discuss such matters for hours on end. Of course, these discussions and even my solitary mind-wanderings were limited, as my experience of life was also so very limited. But while I was in awe of what exists around us, I made some attempt to understand it.

Then, as I got older and demands of day-to-day Life starting getting more in the way, those feelings of awe became buried a little, as it were. Not gone, but pushed down by the other demands that clamored for their attention. But now, accepting that my time is not unlimited and most of the demands of life are rather pointless, I spend more time on such wonderings and wanderings once again.

It is a huge task if we want it to be, but I'll be happy to get a fair understanding of just some small parts of the bigger picture. There are too many minds far better than mine that have achieved very little in that regard, and sometimes I wonder if half of the battle is just to give in and surrender a little of our stubbornly-held belief and opinion and allow the beauty around us to wash over us and bring some peace.

No, I shall never make sense of it. I won't even delude myself that such a thing is possible. Instead, I'll continue to hope for just a small glimpse of the bigger picture.

I'll ask you to do something if you have the time. Down in my signature under all my posts there are links to some of my short stories here on ATS. There is one called "The Flower". It is a true story, and very short, but it says a lot about how I see the world today compared to how I used to.

Another -- also true and neither exaggerated nor under-stated -- is called "Never Too Late". In the first part (about 1 page), it encapsulates the moment when a great change took place within me. I have never been the same since. The second part takes this further -- and that leads to the reason why the small situation contained within "The Flower" happened and why I wrote it down to share.

If you read them, please let me know what you think about them.

Thank you.

Mike

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Thanks for all of the links in your signature line, as I managed to find and read "Never Too Late" in the last couple of days and am looking forward to reading the others now too!

"Never Too Late" was a very touching story! I don't consider myself to be a highly emotional person, but I must say that I had tears streaming down my face by the time I reached the end of it! Great read! As a matter of fact, I plan on reflecting on this story every time I catch myself feeling "hardened" by the world around me. Thanks!

Originally posted by JustMike

I think our awe at the creation around us only grows as we get older and begin to understand how little we really know: by my early teens, I was starting to try and make sense of some of it, especially the "three questions". I had a small group of friend of like mind and we'd discuss such matters for hours on end. Of course, these discussions and even my solitary mind-wanderings were limited, as my experience of life was also so very limited. But while I was in awe of what exists around us, I made some attempt to understand it.

Then, as I got older and demands of day-to-day Life starting getting more in the way, those feelings of awe became buried a little, as it were. Not gone, but pushed down by the other demands that clamored for their attention. But now, accepting that my time is not unlimited and most of the demands of life are rather pointless, I spend more time on such wonderings and wanderings once again.

Wow! I think a combination of these statements and your short stories could sum up your current dream! It appears to me (and maybe me only) that your current dream was just a reminder not to let the big demands of day-to-day life keep you from holding on to that "awe" or let it get buried. Maybe it's pushing you to seek an even bigger awe. Now that you're able to gain such pleasure from something as simple as flowers and flies, maybe it's time to focus on something much bigger, like their creator.

I too have had an interest in science and earthquakes over the last couple of years, however, I know there is absolutely no way that science is ever going to come close to coming up with explanation for the workings of our universe and it's affects on earth. For every question they think they can answer, they raise a thousand more questions, and yes, it is futile.

That only leaves one more place for answers. God.