Video: Evidence for a Creator? Are matter, space, and time infinite?

Please note: this video does advocate for the existence of a telic Creator, specifically the God of the Bible. If you have no interest in exploring this idea, that's cool. I'm just letting you know now so you're not surprised when apologetic tenets are promoted in the video. I do feel however, that there are ample concepts presented in this video to mull over unrelated to origins which is why I'm posting it in this section. Mods please feel free to move to another forum at your discretion.

I saw this years ago and found it pretty compelling. It asks the question, can matter/space/time be infinite? I have little to no understanding of theoretical physics or philosophy writ large but would be really interested in starting a discussion on this topic. I am a Christian theist, however my faith does not ride on determining whether or not the universe is infinite/finite. So my aim isn't to defend the soundness of the presented argument, rather I'm simply curious to see what my fellow ATSers think. Thank you!

Link to video: www.youtube.com...

ETA: Video is embedded below

P.S. Can someone embed the vid for me please?

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Nice Video.
Get ready for the crazies to roll in though.

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I'm wondering, "how big is space"? Everybody talks about the big bang. Ok. But what did it "bang" into. How big is that?

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The Big Bang didn't happen.
Who knows though.

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Double post. sorry.

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I have been warned

Let them come. I find it an interesting topic and would love to hear their thoughts.

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Great video. I remember seeing this a few months ago.

Genesis 1:1
In the Beginning (Time), God created the heavens (Space) and the earth (Matter). Let there be light (Energy).

The Physics of God

Here is another associated video:

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Thanks for the embed and for the related vid!!

This is opinion, and in my opinion, if someone can believe in a magical being that created the whole universe, then, there's no stopping at any rational, or real probabilities.

If someone already believes in some mythological figure that is all seeing, all knowing, forever and ever, what's the point in looking for proof? It's a little ridiculous.
Any and every mystery or unexplained event can be said to be the work of this imaginary character and left at that if someone is a believer. Other believers will believe it too, because, if they don't, then they're questioning their god, and questioning their god is a sin.

Granted, this is my opinion.

Thus, if someone can believe in a god, there's no point in trying to prove anything since anything and everything is the creation of and at the whim of such said being.

Cheers.

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This is opinion, and in my opinion, if someone can believe in a magical being that created the whole universe, then, there's no stopping at any rational, or real probabilities.

Well, if someone does believe that God created all that exists, they also believe that this self-same God endowed them with rational thought and the ability to reason - which would in turn, goad them to employ their God-given faculties of reason and rationality.

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It's been proven by an Australian physicist that the universe is always expanding. He won the Nobel prize 2 weeks ago

Excellent video, but the only big question remains what happened before the Big Bang? I am just playing devil's advocate but we are implying that God existed before the Big Bang, what happens if the Big Bang just came about as one big, mere coincidence? Anyway it is an excellent video and very thought provoking. S&F

[ I just watched the "simulation" vid. I can't help but think that God beleivers would rather think we are not real but just a computer simulation rather than beleive in something other than their creationist faith. That to me is odd. To hope your a "Sim" and that the being that is running the program and playing you like a game is your almighty God.

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It's tough to watch a video when you only have dialup but I do know that space, time and matter are NOT infinite. The infinite that exists is "above" the physical universe. Since science has not discovered it yet it has no official name or parameters but most of us call it the spirit world or heaven or paradise. At the lower end of this realm existence is very close to physical and at the higher end it is so different so as to be unrecognizable. Physical matter or time cannot exist here. This is where one would find the source (god).

hint: Infinity is not a state in which there is some endless progression of time. Infinity is a state in which there is no time at all. Understand this and see how philosophical questions begin to be answered in these higher conditions. Everything suddenly starts to make sense.

We have so much trouble in philosophy and religion because we tend to express in terms of the physical that we know so well and consider that anything else is mumbo jumbo, magic, psychic, witchcraft or imagination. Compound this with the human inclination for competitiveness and selfishness and desire and understand how it is no surprise that no two people can agree on even the most basic proposition. Now add religion and stir until all hope of any consensus is lost in the irrationality of scriptures.

But even so the physical universe is temporary and the higher is permanent and infinite. The infinite is our true home and the earth is only a classroom for humanity where we learn the basics of godliness.

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Interesting. But watch the video again and ask yourself this.

If God is infinite and eternal, When did he create time? Where did he create matter?

I think the answer, as difficult as it might seem to be, is that time and matter do not exist in Reality.

If time does not exist in Reality, where does it exist?

When was this "non-reality" created and where is it? If it doesn't exist in eternity (God), does it really exist at all?

When i was 16 i had an out of body experience in the early morning. As i tried to move my body a voice whispered in my ear "Lesson 1, Time is both infinite and definite. The Sun is tired and it wants to sleep".

That was over 20 years ago. I still don't quite understand what it could possibly mean. It was bizarre to say the least.

My understanding of Reality is that it is the same thing as God, Eternity, Truth and Love. They are all the same thing. And anything outside of that is not real. And yet my experience is in a dimension of time or "non-reality"

I do believe time has a beginning and therefore an end. Despite my lesson 20 years ago. And i do believe the end is not that far off. And that it's all good... Except for everything that is associated with non-reality, time and matter :')

So associate yourself with eternity and truth and God before the end. The practice of Love is how it's done according to God, spoken into non-reality as a man.


Peace!

START:current theory

The big bang is a name that just stuck via the media. It is not a scientific term coined by science. There was not actually a bang, lol. When the big bang occurred from a singularity, or basically an infinitely dense point of not just matter, but what would later become space-time itself.

It isn't like there was empty space, and then the big bang distributed matter throughout. Rather, space and time were created at that instant. This is according to mainstream science, but below I offer my own hypothetical interpretation and ideas. Space itself actually expanded faster than the speed of light, creating what we think of as the empty space of the universe. The matter that was present expanded outward along with the fabric of space and time itself, and was distributed in all directions.

The big bang is the reason that we are hurtling through space at this very moment at a very high rate of speed.
It is hard to visualize or think about in our everyday 3 dimensional world...actually nearly impossible. What I would like to know is what did space expand itself into? What was there before "space?"

END: current theory

START: wild speculation

My hypothesis, and I have no clue if this is on the right track, is that a form of empty space existed prior to the big bang, but only after the event did time become interwoven with space, creating a reality that we are interpreting with our brains today. No one knows for sure why space is speeding up though. Gravity should eventually cause all of the matter to collapse back onto itself, once the initial energy of expansion has lessened.

Another hypothesis I have, although I do not know if it is in line with current scientific beliefs, and this compounds with my earlier mentioned idea...space is infinite.. The only thing that is really expanding is time, which is vital to our reality if we wish to perceive anything, or even exist for that matter.

Under these ideas, it doesn't matter if there is space in existence outside of time or not...we, or anyone else in the universe, wouldn't be able to experience it, or live in it, if time were not interwoven with space.
So space truly is nothingness, although our space has meaning both as an area, and as a function of time.

So based solely on my ideas, hypotheses, and interpretations, space IS infinite in itself, however, the space that most people think of, that which is interlinked with time, is NOT infinite, as it does have an endpoint on the edges of were time and space meet.

BUT, it IS infinite in that it will keep expanding, retaining kinetic energy, and for some reason its potential energy never decreases, and so therefore it is infinite in a sense. Again, these aren't widely held scientific beliefs or anything, only my personal ideas.

END: wild speculation

How do we ever know there was a beginning... I mean, do you remember the day you "popped into existence"?

Originally posted by rwfresh
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Interesting. But watch the video again and ask yourself this.

If God is infinite and eternal, When did he create time? Where did he create matter?

I think the answer, as difficult as it might seem to be, is that time and matter do not exist in Reality.

If time does not exist in Reality, where does it exist?

When was this "non-reality" created and where is it? If it doesn't exist in eternity (God), does it really exist at all?

When i was 16 i had an out of body experience in the early morning. As i tried to move my body a voice whispered in my ear "Lesson 1, Time is both infinite and definite. The Sun is tired and it wants to sleep".

That was over 20 years ago. I still don't quite understand what it could possibly mean. It was bizarre to say the least.

My understanding of Reality is that it is the same thing as God, Eternity, Truth and Love. They are all the same thing. And anything outside of that is not real. And yet my experience is in a dimension of time or "non-reality"

I do believe time has a beginning and therefore an end. Despite my lesson 20 years ago. And i do believe the end is not that far off. And that it's all good... Except for everything that is associated with non-reality, time and matter :')

So associate yourself with eternity and truth and God before the end. The practice of Love is how it's done according to God, spoken into non-reality as a man.


Peace!

Are you sure it didn't say the SON was tired? Did that occur to you as well?

Originally posted by daaskapital
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It's been proven by an Australian physicist that the universe is always expanding. He won the Nobel prize 2 weeks ago

Time is Infinite in both directions (Past & Future) and finite in the Present, but the Present is always moving forward in increments of finite.

Space is infinite and much bigger than what We can see inside our Galaxy's Light Bubble, which was formed when our galaxy was born around 13 billion earth years ago, give-or-take.

Matter is going to infinite but finite at any given finite moment and the reason it's going to infinite is virgin matter is being introduced at all times, which that virgin matter is being created by the huge magneto generators known as spiral galaxies, in the form of magnetic energy, which passes thru the skin of Space to the spacial dimension under/above this spacial dimension, in a process called Bi-dimensional Transdermal Energy Transfer, then the excess energy is ejected out of the dual (twin back-to-back) black holes at the center of every spiral galaxy.

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