Obama orders U.S. troops to help chase down African 'army' leader

reply to post by Aim64C

Further, this sounds much like how we were going to go in and "coach" the South Vietnamese.... when we should have either ignored it or gone in as a direct military action from the beginning.

True dat. Half-a$$ed measures never work. Clearly defined missions with exit strategy have the best chance of succeeding.

Of course it's always nice to know why we are going into this particular jungle in the first place...

Yeah that Nobel Peace Prize Winner is sure earning that title hey people the Middle East ain't good enough lets go into Africa for crying out loud this stupidity has got to stop our military is over worked underpaid and stretched to damn thin.

It's time to bring them all home resupply,reequip and rest and relaxation only and idiot would do this a complete idiot and yeah whatever official reason they say we all know is hydro-choro bull hockey for what ever reasoning.

THIS STUPIDITY HAS GOT TO STOP!

Read what Obama actually said. Focus on the underlined text:

"For more than two decades, the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) has murdered, raped, and kidnapped tens of thousands of men, women, and children in central Africa," Obama said in the letter. "In furtherance of the Congress's stated policy, I have authorized a small number of combat-equipped U.S. forces to deploy to central Africa to provide assistance to regional forces that are working toward the removal of [LRA commander] Joseph Kony from the battlefield."

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This current mission involves 100 'advisors', providing assistance to regional forces. Thattells me that our involvement exceeds 100 advisors.

reply to post by SpaDe_


Quit it with the underhanded "need for oil" as the reason to put troops on the ground. We have enough oil and natural gas to supply our energy needs for many decades. This is another idiotic posture by the current administration. We do not need to put more of our soldiers in harms way. He is trying to severely cripple our defenses.

oops.

Well what I'm happy about is that after we kill this Joe Kony guy, the problem will be solved and our troops can come home. Right? Right??

Originally posted by JacKatMtn
Just heard on FNC that this is a Special Forces unit, and that they are being called advisors..

Where have I heard that before?

Thats easy Libya (America and Britian military advisors to the libyan Rebels) dont you agree thread OP that the peace prize should be taken away from obama and others? sadly the noble peace prizes are starting like a joke.

If the various stories about this particular bunch of thugs is even half ways on the level, getting rid of them would be doing the world a favor.

It sounds a lot more plausible than the current Iran 'terror plot' does.

For what it is worth, it might even do some good.

I've heard of fishier reasons to do things.

M.

Originally posted by searching411
reply to post by SpaDe_

 

Quit it with the underhanded "need for oil" as the reason to put troops on the ground. We have enough oil and natural gas to supply our energy needs for many decades. This is another idiotic posture by the current administration. We do not need to put more of our soldiers in harms way. He is trying to severely cripple our defenses.

So you think this is on the up and up? If you think for one second that we are not in a desperate search and seizure mission for oil, you my friend are not paying attention. Every single country that we have had military action in, within the last decade have all had one major thing in common, and it isn't terrorists. The world is running out of resources fast, and that is why we are desperately scrambling to use up all the other countries before we tap into our own at home.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Guess that gives us one more reason to believe that Obama may feel that he has a "Special" relationship with Africa. ????? Can you say born?

Guess someone forgot to send a memo to the sudan to remind them that the only ones allowed to commit war crimes and atrocities are israel and amerika...
Waste more taxpayer money and lives on yet another war good show amerika - learn to take care of your own rather than starting yet another war..

reply to post by SpaDe_


I pay attention. Most of the oil purchased has been through a binding commerce trade agreement. We have been paying a price set by treaty agreements. It has been a way for our government to negotiate with other nations. Before the world used oil and gas we used whale oil and assorted combustables. When the time comes, capitalism will ensure that we have a replacement source of energy to use. Why do you have such little faith in the inventiveness of the human race? Haven't you heard that necessity is the mother of invention. I get tired of hearing only about faults of man. Enough doom and gloom. If you do not like how things are done -- educate yourself and work to improve the situation.

We are not the moral police of the world. We have no reason to be in so many locations where the natives do not want us involved. We can not solve their problems for them.

Obama is not doing this because of his compassion. There are darker reasons behind his decision. Maybe it is to cover up the green energy scandal and the fast and furious screw-up.

Is there anything else going on that would require boots on the ground?

Need more time to absorb this one, since I am not totally familiar with this group, nor the history..

Meet the Obama Doctrine adopted right from the pages of the Responsiblity to Protect Website. Our actions in Libya were just a litmus test for things to come. Obama the UN and NATO Nations are all on board.

Read and study this site. Look at their crises map as it compares to what we have seen develop over the past year.

Meet the New World Police.

The INTERNATIONAL COALITION FOR THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT (ICRtoP) brings together NGOs from all regions of the world to strengthen normative consensus for RtoP, further the understanding of the norm, push for strengthened capacities to prevent and halt genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity and mobilize NGOs to push for action to save lives in RtoP country-specific situations.

www.responsibilitytoprotect.org...


A little more on the LRA
Hillary had this to say back in 2010 regarding Kony's 20 years of power.

"I just don't understand why we cannot end this scourge", said Hillary Clinton in February, dismayed and perplexed at why the Lord’s Resistance Army is still spilling blood on the soil of central Africa. The question troubles many a sympathetic soul.

Clearly Kony is the key to the LRA. Hence the hunt. Apparently, we have been hunting there since at least April 2010 when this article was written.

The Ugandans and their U.S. advisers think killing Kony will decapitate the LRA — game over. The military and spiritual leader's charisma has certainly played a part in the LRA’s endurance. But the LRA’s recent surge in violence is on cruise-control, since Americans’ audio-intercept gadgets make it dangerous for Kony to communicate with his men. He’s been running north, even allegedly as far as southern Darfur, while splinter groups have been massacring elsewhere with no need of their leader's encouragement.

Sounds like we are still nation building

Third, national authorities need to take ownership of the fight. Once the army has bagged Kony, Kampala will probably call off the hunt, and the U.N. will leave sooner or later. Building state institutions is the only way to ward against LRA remnants or any other rogue threats in the longterm.

Hillary Clinton has good reason to wonder at the LRA’s longevity. More than 20 years in the bush is an impressive feat. To stop the nightmare lasting even longer, we must see steps to move beyond the manhunt and tackle the underlying problem of state failure in this forgotten heart of Africa.

www.crisisgroup.org...

Good on Obama, those African army leaders are fking nuts killing innocent people.

reply to post by JacKatMtn


Interesting to note Lord's Resistance Army is a Christian Army Fighting against the Radicals in there country.

Oh good. How does this relate to the $100,000 he gave to cousin Odinga to enslave children and machete murder Christians in Kenya?

Guess what? that POS has already taken child slaves by proxy and committed 3x the death that the coptic splinter has.

Idiots can only say they all look the same. Go and live there. then come back and tell us what you learned.

OBAMA child slaves and death squads are the problem in central Africa. Get a freakin clue.


Buy a couple vowels if your that stupid.

My skin is dark cocoa colored and i have been born from whites that were here since 1623. I spent a decade in Africa. I have a freakin clue on this BS LIE.

Even coptic splinters are the most docile humans there are. DO NOT believe this. Do not read the CIA/NSA wikishtter on this one. Make contact there and find out for yourselves.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


The LRA is not a Christian group at all. The only way you could have gotten that conclusion was to go by the name alone. The LRA is named as such because the founder believed that the holy spirit told her to lead her people to rebel against the government. She failed, and in her exile, Joseph Kony told the LRA he was her cousin and was told by God to lead them now. He then just used the forces of the LRA to fulfil his own aganda. After fearing that they would realize he was lying, he started abducting children to fight for him.

I never realized that Obama signed this into law last year. I must have been asleep or on vacation because I don't remember anyone or any news outlet talking about it.

Today, I signed into law the Lord's Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act of 2009. The legislation crystallizes the commitment of the United States to help bring an end to the brutality and destruction that have been a hallmark of the LRA across several countries for two decades, and to pursue a future of greater security and hope for the people of central Africa.

The Lord’s Resistance Army preys on civilians – killing, raping, and mutilating the people of central Africa; stealing and brutalizing their children; and displacing hundreds of thousands of people. Its leadership, indicted by the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity, has no agenda and no purpose other than its own survival. It fills its ranks of fighters with the young boys and girls it abducts. By any measure, its actions are an affront to human dignity.

www.whitehouse.gov...

Knowing this, HIllary's comments I posted further up this page make perfect sense. We've been working there for a year leading up to the recent "official deployment" of advisory troops. Just another Obama secret war we are finding out about later. You know damn well the past year has been spent on recon, intel and training the locals for what we are about to witness. God Speed!

Originally posted by Flavian
I have no comment on Obama being a war monger as im not American.

What i will say is check out the LRA and the sorts of acts they perpetrate. They are responsible for some of the most abhorent acts in recent human history. In my mind its fair play to go after this particular bunch

In your mind it's fair play for the US government to deploy a hundred special forces operatives in any given country just to hunt down someone that they tell you is a bad person and should be "targeted"?

I bet this guy was interfering with some US black operations, probably arms deals or something. Kind've like how the US has a hard on for punishing Victor Bout because he was competition.

EDIT: Hmmm, it appears that the post above me has all of the relevant answers. Looks like this "notoriously violent group" happens to be at odds with US foreign policy plans for Uganda.