Cash Transactions Banned on Used Goods in Louisiana!

The people that come up with these laws (schemes) are enemies of liberty & freedom.

In a revolution they will have earned the first bullet.

As the people begin to realize we can do business without banks their cohorts will begin to clamp down with such feeble attempts.

Just how much of your labor will you allow them to steal from you before you do something about it?

These evil bastards are going to procure others to lock you up and take everything you have or kill you if you're unwilling to lay down before them as your master.

I would rather be dead than give them what they seek.

I will take cash, gold, silver or your labor in trade for mine.

Originally posted by crazydaisy
I can see this spreading to other states
in a jiffy. Once you are considered a
dealer you have to pay taxes on what
you sell. I think that is the reason for
the law - they want more money for
items that have already been taxed.
So many people supplement their
income during these difficult economic
times by selling an item they have
had around for a while. They are taking
food from children and worse passing
laws such as this. Children love helping
their parents have yard sales, they learn
about money and sales. They have fun
with the lemonade stands - this country
is just chopping down on every one and
everything except for the things they should
be concentrating on.
By not using cash the seller will have
to report everything sold second hand.
Oh where are the good old days when
you could sell your old sewing machine
to put food on the table or pay a bill
until you got paid. The days of trade
are gone!

edit on 12-10-2011 by crazydaisy because: (no reason given)

Next they are going to want to tax every crap we take or for breathing or something.

so stupid.

Don't know if this was previously mentioned, but it seems they are trying to shut down another avenue of money laundering.

Take a used furniture store for example. If a criminal organization were to own that store, they could claim that someone donated some furniture that was subsequently sold for X amount of cash. Effectively, they can pocket the cash and put it in their books, but there is no evidence of where the cash came from, or whether any goods were even sold in the first place.

This is why you see so many used furniture stores in the ghetto. They're money laundering for drug dealers.

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No need though. I used to have an acquaintence with a small business. His business rarely had a sole in it, but on the books it was doing 100s of 1000s of dollars in business every month. His books were legit, he had income, and he had suppliers, he brought in and deposited a ton of money, and he paid it back out to his so-called vendors, and he kept a reasonable margin. He paid his taxes, kept his licenses up to date, hired an accountant, etc., etc.

The money launderers already have this down to an art. New laws only affect the amateurs.

Another example, the best steak I ever had in my life was at a mob-style restaurant in an oil town. My wife and I wandered in, the place was plush! There wasn't a single customer in there, every man standing around looked straight out of Goodfellas. We ordered a couple of meals, and out comes this cascade of appetizers, salads, and then a giant, thick, perfectly cooked steak. When we went to pay, the bill was something like $19 for both of us? We thanked them, left a $20 tip, drove away, and let out a huge sigh that we had just entered the lions den and walked back out!!

Obviously there are some serious overreactions going on over this. With only a simply legal review of this law, it is readily apparent that the primary (and likely only) use for this law is in regards to pawn shops. In a similar manner, you (a pawn shop employee) cannot purchase an item from a minor in Texas. Ever.

This is about being able to track down stolen merchandise, which is commonly sold to pawn shops. Most states now have a similar law on the books to assist in recovering stolen merchandise and catching thieves.

I know...HOW DARE THEY!!!!!!

I'm sorry, i have my PANTS on today.

THIS is royally F@#$%

Jesus H. Christ!

No, i cant think of the proper word.

Disgusting.

I feel like eating lightbulbs right now.

Why is everyone completely ignoring the many rational posts explaining the law, and spouting off with completely unfounded and rather stupid overractions? READ! Many on this thread have explained the law perfectly. It's not new. It's not directed at yard sales. It never will be.

Louisiana is simply catching up to the scrap and pawn laws of other states. Unless you are one of those nutjobs that fears producing identification when making a transaction (a common practice used in every day life) this law will never, ever hurt you...unless you knowingly bought stolen property. Then you get yours.

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That is not gonna fly unless the state of Louisiana provides some alternative form of currency.

It will be interesting to see what the Fed, the banking cartel think of this move.

How are they planning on enforce this anyway ?

Too bad that our lawmakers can't focus on the real problems but instead continue to focus on new ways to tax the common citizen.

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The hole purpose of this law is to stop the theft of copper and other metals. With all the oil and gas activities in the state something had to be done to circumvent the sale of such materials to junk yards. It is more comman than you would think. Crazy people were stealing anything copper melting down and selling to scrap yards for cash. I seriously doubt any garage sales or other such activities would recieve any type of attention. This is the red neck south laws are only inforced when needed.

Originally posted by usernameconspiracy
Why is everyone completely ignoring the many rational posts explaining the law, and spouting off with completely unfounded and rather stupid overractions? READ! Many on this thread have explained the law perfectly. It's not new. It's not directed at yard sales. It never will be.

Louisiana is simply catching up to the scrap and pawn laws of other states. Unless you are one of those nutjobs that fears producing identification when making a transaction (a common practice used in every day life) this law will never, ever hurt you...unless you knowingly bought stolen property. Then you get yours.

Here's rational for you- How about the lawmakers write the law in such a way that it makes the intent clear? This law can cover everything that has been discussed in this thread. Just because you are one of those nutjobs who trusts the government doesn't make you right, it actually makes you a person who is incapable of critical thinking. Just follow the leader, he will show you exactly where you need to go.

To call a person a nutjob because he doesn't think he should need to show ID in order to take part in a transaction makes you sound like a government shill. Just re-read your statement and if you don't see the problem with it, then I will write you off as a lost cause.

Edit- It occurs to me that maybe you don't live in the US? Because I rarely ever have to show my ID for a transaction. Actually, I can not think of the last time I was asked to show my ID in order to buy something. Maybe if you use credit cards, but I use debit or cash for everything. Oh, I know! I rented a car a couple of months ago and had to show ID! I dunno, are you buying a lot of chemicals or something that causes you to be IDed for purchases?

I urge gov Jindal and the LA legislature to pass a bill requiring any and all recieptants of welfare to submit to drug tests. Get a job like the rest of us. Stop stealing the copper out of telphone boxes and anyother illegal activities that can be thought of. People who are not from this state couldn't possibly comprehend the mentality of its citizens. Anyone who disagrees go spend some time in Baton Rouge north of florida blvd or anywhere in New Orleans. You will find out pretty quick where you got your shoes? The correct answer is on your feet!!!

Originally posted by DragonTattooz

Originally posted by usernameconspiracy
Why is everyone completely ignoring the many rational posts explaining the law, and spouting off with completely unfounded and rather stupid overractions? READ! Many on this thread have explained the law perfectly. It's not new. It's not directed at yard sales. It never will be.

Louisiana is simply catching up to the scrap and pawn laws of other states. Unless you are one of those nutjobs that fears producing identification when making a transaction (a common practice used in every day life) this law will never, ever hurt you...unless you knowingly bought stolen property. Then you get yours.

Here's rational for you- How about the lawmakers write the law in such a way that it makes the intent clear? This law can cover everything that has been discussed in this thread. Just because you are one of those nutjobs who trusts the government doesn't make you right, it actually makes you a person who is incapable of critical thinking. Just follow the leader, he will show you exactly where you need to go.

To call a person a nutjob because he doesn't think he should need to show ID in order to take part in a transaction makes you sound like a government shill. Just re-read your statement and if you don't see the problem with it, then I will write you off as a lost cause.

So, you personally refuse to show ID when you make a purchase using your credit card when asked by the cashier? You personally refuse to show ID when purchasing alcohol when asked to do so by the cashier? I'm just asking.

So you would prefer that one law be specific about pawn shops. Then another law be specific about scrap yards where thieves sell stolen copper. It makes sense that the law be vague in its intent to cover whatever situations occur.

In the example of a yard sale, we are referencing a one or two day event that a special permit has been given to (if they followed the city code), which would not constitute a business. Now if that yard sale is every weekend, we have a different story as they are entering "business" territory and may very well have to comply.

By the way, reading this law and applying it to a yard sale is not critical thinking. If you are a minor and you try to sell a blue ray player at a pawn shop, you will be denied because it is illegal. Nothing nefarious; just illegal to conduct a transaction with a minor. If you want to go to a pawn shop and sell a Rolex, you will have to fill out forms and provide ID. I don't know of a state that does not require this. It isn't really about you, as hard as it is to believe. It's about the fact that criminals frequent pawn shops to sell stolen Rolex watches because, in the past, they got cash and were out the door. Now they have to provide ID and are forced to take a check.

Critically thinking, how is this a bad thing?

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I can't even laugh - all this while global corporate business does what they want with our tax money.

I hear they're tracking Kijiji and e-Bay transactions btw. Expect a tax bill if you're selling.


S&F&

Originally posted by seachange

Cash Transactions Banned on Used Goods in Louisiana!

www.sott.net

"A secondhand dealer shall not enter into any cash transactions in payment for the purchase of junk or used or secondhand property. Payment shall be made in the form of check, electronic transfers, or money order issued to the seller of the junk or used or secondhand property..."

...

"They must also make a detailed description of the item(s) purchased and submit this with the personal identification information of every transaction to the local policing authorities"

(visit the link for the full news article)

edit on 12-10-2011 by getreadyalready because: fixed spelling in title

edit on 12-10-2011 by getreadyalready because: (no reason given)

I have not read the entire thread before posting this, so sorry if the questions already been made.

But...
What if the money are found?
The buyer accidentally drops the money and the seller finds them? In pure joy of suddenly finding money the seller gives away the product for free as a charitable act.
Does that still count as one transaction?

What if trade is being done?

What if gamble is being done?
For example, The seller and the buyer make a bet about the product, and the "seller" ends up winning the bet and gets the money, the seller is then nice enough to give the object to the "buyer" as a consolation?

reply to post by getreadyalready
wishful thinking we will let this roll over us ,just like all the other laws we have let slip by, one law , (see if i can find it )bans yard sales, an other bans you from trading your items, soon the the flea markets and used item stores will be shut down.

Lets me guess nothing will be done about this. We will just accept the police state.

What can be done exactly? We do not hacve a dictoral process, but rather a democratic one. How did this law come to pass?

Also Arkansas just did something similar, but just requires better recording and reporting of scrap metal sales.

Recently my deer camp was trahed, the meter loop and wires were stolen as was a motorcycle and anything else of value. It seems like people are getting down right desperate.

Originally posted by usernameconspiracy

Originally posted by DragonTattooz

Originally posted by usernameconspiracy
Why is everyone completely ignoring the many rational posts explaining the law, and spouting off with completely unfounded and rather stupid overractions? READ! Many on this thread have explained the law perfectly. It's not new. It's not directed at yard sales. It never will be.

Louisiana is simply catching up to the scrap and pawn laws of other states. Unless you are one of those nutjobs that fears producing identification when making a transaction (a common practice used in every day life) this law will never, ever hurt you...unless you knowingly bought stolen property. Then you get yours.

Here's rational for you- How about the lawmakers write the law in such a way that it makes the intent clear? This law can cover everything that has been discussed in this thread. Just because you are one of those nutjobs who trusts the government doesn't make you right, it actually makes you a person who is incapable of critical thinking. Just follow the leader, he will show you exactly where you need to go.

To call a person a nutjob because he doesn't think he should need to show ID in order to take part in a transaction makes you sound like a government shill. Just re-read your statement and if you don't see the problem with it, then I will write you off as a lost cause.

So, you personally refuse to show ID when you make a purchase using your credit card when asked by the cashier? You personally refuse to show ID when purchasing alcohol when asked to do so by the cashier? I'm just asking.

So you would prefer that one law be specific about pawn shops. Then another law be specific about scrap yards where thieves sell stolen copper. It makes sense that the law be vague in its intent to cover whatever situations occur.

In the example of a yard sale, we are referencing a one or two day event that a special permit has been given to (if they followed the city code), which would not constitute a business. Now if that yard sale is every weekend, we have a different story as they are entering "business" territory and may very well have to comply.

By the way, reading this law and applying it to a yard sale is not critical thinking. If you are a minor and you try to sell a blue ray player at a pawn shop, you will be denied because it is illegal. Nothing nefarious; just illegal to conduct a transaction with a minor. If you want to go to a pawn shop and sell a Rolex, you will have to fill out forms and provide ID. I don't know of a state that does not require this. It isn't really about you, as hard as it is to believe. It's about the fact that criminals frequent pawn shops to sell stolen Rolex watches because, in the past, they got cash and were out the door. Now they have to provide ID and are forced to take a check.

Critically thinking, how is this a bad thing?

So, critical thinking AND reading comprehension are not your strong suits? No problem, i can work around that.

I never said that I refuse to show ID, I said I don't get asked for ID. And, I am 47 with a gray mustache and graying hair, so no, I don't get "carded" for anything. As an aside, I have not had a drink of alcohol in 17 years, so that example would not apply.

I also specifically said that I use a debit card or cash. I do not use credit and the fact that you not only use it, but seem to think it is just the "normal" thing to do goes that much further to convince me that I'm talking to a sheeple.


Maybe if I try telling you in sheep-talk you will understand? baaaah baaaah government bad baaaaahhhh bbbbaaaaahhhh, more laws bad baahhhhhh bah bah bbbaaaahhhh unclear ambiguous (go look it up) laws bad baaahh

Bit by bit, lillegal and incomprehensible laws are passing from state to state with the intent to infringe on citizens rights, to make sure that all actions are tracked, and that you MUST become a slave to Corporate America in order to live.

For instance:

In Wisconsin a judge ruled that farmers had "No right to own a cow or drink its milk"
Once a "motion for clarification" was issued, as this seemed insane, this is what the judge clarified:

On September 9, Judge Fiedler issued his decision on the motion, stating that the court’s August 12 denial of plaintiffs’ motion for judgment meant the following:

(1) Plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to own and use a dairy cow or a dairy herd;

(2) Plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to consume the milk from their own cow;

(3) Plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to board their cow at the farm of a farmer;

(4) The Zinniker Plaintiffs’ private contract does not fall outside the scope of the States’ police power;

(5) Plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to produce and consume the foods of their choice;

(6) DATCP [Wisconsin Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection] . . . had jurisdiction to regulate the Zinniker Plaintiffs’ conduct.

foodfreedom.wordpress.com...

So in this instance, a farmer in Wisconsin has to go out and BUY milk from the store though he has a perfectly good cow standing in his front yard.

The Illuminati/NWO is real people....

Just goes to show you that cash really isn't "legal tender" any more.

This is just another goose step toward the police state. How much are we going to take, exactly? WIll we all be shackled in railroad cars before we say a collective 'Hey, wait a minute..." ???

Excuse is:Taxes, Drug law enforcement.

Reality: It's not gonna happen that the cops will enforce this one unless the person targeted is looking like they are doing something fishy, or have a lot of stuff to take.

Bypass/loophole: Barter and trade, arrange to meet up out of state.