For those who Believe in God, but not Religion - Who is he then?

reply to post by blaenau2000

Christians believe that God is a God of love, in spirit and truth, and that love to be love, is the love first between a lover and belover other, and that therefore God, as love, is at the very least a two-fold natured God, which was expressed by Jesus when he said something like "I was with you from before the very foundation of the world".

So by "us" this is what it COULD mean. Then again, Genesis was written by Moses presumably before there was this understanding, so it's hard to say. At the same time, it's hard to say how Moses understood the demarcation between a prior golden age of absolute oneness in spirit, and the introduction of dualistic consciousness resulting in man's fall from grace.

The "God" he encountered on Mount Sinai was described as an actual being who Moses could only look at, from behind as "God" passed by with Moses shielded from witnessing his full glory from the cleft of a rock.

There is also evidence to suggest that the fire and smoke from the mountain was a forge whereby gold was being cooked into a glass tablet form of Orme for consumption by the Israelites.

The rock Moees struck (when he was told to merely touch it with his staff) for water, can be seen as a foreshadowing of Christ.

It's so hard to say, what's what, what is history, and what is purely allegory, but there's a reason why Freemasons have to memorize tracts of the Bible, and are initiated into the deeper mysteries of certain aspects of the OT for the alchemical transformation of the soul.

And the gematria of Hebrew is an utterly extraordinary feat of complexity seemingly beyond the capability of man to simply "invent" and is said to be the language of angels.

Even a cursory examination of sacred geometry and the kabbalistic tree of life



Yields astounding insights into the origins of creation, and the inner and outer form and constitution of the human being.

There is so much we don't understand, and so much to learn, it would take more than one lifetime to "grok" (take in, absorb).

This is why I have opted to go straight to the person and spiritual being of Jesus Christ, who's done all the heavy lifting for me (so to speak), and in whom resides the emodiment and the "frame" of all the mysteries combined, as the simplicity on the far side of all the complexity, and as the resolution to the problem introduced by Moses in the allegory of Genesis, as the tree of life, re-presented and available for consumption (grokking pleasure).

I've concluded that the Bible, taken as a whole, is dealing principally with three issues, one, of integrity or wholeness, two, an evolutionary principal (differentiation and reintegration) of growth, and three, spiritual authority whereby God is considered the first/last cause and thus, the author of life itself, but who's authority needed to be upheld in obediance to the divine will as the will to love, which Jesus accomplished in full, even unto death.

Enough from me, carry on.

reply to post by Scope and a Beam



Religion has its source in God, not the other way round.

reply to post by Akragon

God is All of it, every single atom... and everything in between... All life that exists, and All that has ever existed... All dimensions, all of creation... The All, The Whole, The Father of Creation

Exactly! Almost every major creation story has a variation on the theme of something existing in the void. From which came forth everything else. A study of even basic sacred geometry provides a basis for understanding God.

In the beginning there was nothing but a point of consciousness, or God. This consciousness extended itself in every direction and created and recreated spheres (see the Flower of Life) until atoms were formed and stars and living beings. It is all based on the same fractal geometry. When the point of consciousness moved from being a point in the void to being a sphere, what we call the Big Bang occurred as a result of the release of energy that occurs in making such a transition.

Thus, since God is First Cause, the Word in the Void, and First Cause turned into Big Bang God is in everything and is everything (even the people you don't get along with.) And this becomes a different way of understanding the Christian character of God being omnipresent and omniscient.

A long winded way of saying what the quote consisely delivers.

I've learnt a lot from this thread, and it's great to see other peoples take on this.