Why is it ok for American gov't to kill it's enemies in Pakistan, but NOT ok for Iran to do it in

Originally posted by theruthlessone
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

let an openly gay person go to jamaica too and see what happens to them shall we carpet bomb them too then...?

If you can't see the difference between America who
does not kill gay people and Iran who DOES.
Or Iran who wants to kill people over religious reasons
No one will ever be able to open your eyes
but yourself.. Do not be deceived by the propaganda
you buy into too..

The real reason that the US can attack enemies whenever and wherever it wants to is because the US has the "biggest stick" and, therefore, makes the rules...rules that the US itself has no real intention of following. Not saying it's "OK", it just is how it is. That and no other country or coalition of countries has stood up to knock the US off of it's pedestal...yet.

Also, if you disagree with the assassination that the US recently committed, you're a racist of course.

As for the Iran thing, we just need a few more manufactured events (even a busted assassination plot is a false flag) to justify our upcoming war/kinetic military action/overseas contingency action with Iran.

It is so TPTB can laugh at all of you, as they openly commit assassinations in foreign lands, and claim themselves heroes for doing so. Then, within a week, claim that the same crime has been committed against them, which justifies war against the alleged perpetrators. And not even committed, just supposedly planned. Thoughtcrime, you see. "See, they go along with blatant lies right in their faces, that are so obvious a child could see through them," TPTB cackle to themselves, "therefore, lack of rebuttal constitutes assent. They are actually agreeing to our tyranny, in fact they WELCOME it!" More maniacal laughter. "If they didn't want this horrendous butt reaming that keeps getting worse, they would not go along with it!"

It's right in your face. You condone it. You fund it. You watch it on TV. You can't complain.

reply to post by tallcool1


the events arent comparable one involved a diplomat from another country the other a rogue citizen turned terrorist. we should be glad this was snuffed out before it happened because who knows wha tthe ramifications by the saudis would have been

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Indigo5
Even during the peak of the cold war, we never dragged the Russian ambassador from his embassy and killed him in the street.

Are you familiar with the CIA's attempt on Castro's life?

Fair enough. That is back when the CIA was part frightening, one part three stooges. Now they are just frightening.

If memory serves me one of their plots was to sneak thallium salts into his shoes to make his beard, eyebrows etc. fall off....Samson.

Still, in most intelligence circles, ambassadors have been strictly hands off. You still need a route to talk to your enemies.

And this plot was particularly egregious in the sense that they were planning the attack on American soil, and planned to use explosives that would have caused many American civilian causalities.

I see it as out of bounds in several ways and it is not analogous to targeting terrorists….which is the OP claim I was responding to, not Castro.

Because we said so. End of story.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101





"Anyone, ANYONE, that murders humanity is an enemy of mankind, such as the Norway killer as well as the nutheads that murders students wontonly in schools. At least they can be easily brought to trial, but certainly not well protected others whom hide in foreign soil, circumstances and protective laws that allow thems to continue murdering mankind.

Worse are those whom are fully organised, funded and well armed and are far more effective than nation states to conduct extermination of mankind on a grand scale such as Al Queda and its offshoots whom had never failed to claim responsibility to such barbarous acts, and had never respected any laws of mankind in both peace and war."







Boy you just did an amazing job of describing our own CIA.......................take a long look at your description, then ask yourself, why do we operate in the exact manner you described, then go back and re-read the OP....

if need be, keep repeating until you get it.

Parker
MTUBY

I am still amazed by ATS on a daily basis, people here arguing the legality of apparent assaination plot as if it was real,
like any other country who would try and attempted covert operation, they would have easily have distanced themselves from the attack thus allowing it to occur with no direct instigator being linked back.

Why would Iran or any other country have left a trail of bread crumbs?

BTW, how many Iranian scientists have been assasinated in Iran or foreign soils with no direct link to the country of origin of the attackers?

reply to post by TXRabbit


Because americans are stupid enough to believe there better than everyone else in the world, kinda like Israel does...actually I think there rubbing off on us

reply to post by nineix


Nah its if you get caught.... We never existed, we have no ties to you so your on your own even tho we paid for everything.

AQ is not a sovereign government with a seat in the UN like Iran, it operates outside of international law and is dealt with accordingly

Iran is a sovereign government with full representation in the UN with diplomatic relations with both the US and SA

there is a difference

reply to post by Beavers

Please stop making sense, the U.S. government hates people with a brain.

The U.S. government is allowed to assassinate and kidnap via the CIA, overthrow governments, install dictators and invade nations.

No one else is.

You got that slave???

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by Beavers
the title post pretty much says it all.

is there any justification for the hypocrisy, or does America think everyone is as stupid as its' greedy nazi-esque banker leaders?

...we even have a cable channel on TV called the "military channel"

It is really mostly a history channel, but they could not use that name because some alarmist producers who eschew real history books and pander to teenagers and to the gullible already took that channel name.

Originally posted by usmc0311
I've been asking myself that very same question. Who died and made America boss of the world anyway? Just because we are a powerfull country does not give us the right to police the world. If Iran had a legit military target to take out and the target was on american soil then so be it. We (americans) do it all the time. Our country has been bullying others since the time of our revolution. It's about time we stop being hipocrates and start practicing what we preach.

Well, for one thing, they should not have tugged on superman's cape.

For another, if you have the ability to stop oppression and do not, you have violated your responsibility to another human being-- or millions of them-- as the US nearly did during WWII (until Japan tugged on the wrong cape).

Want to talk about hypocrites? How about a self-proclaimed pacifist calling the police when they hear a prowler? How about you, if you got mugged? The police, you see, are armed and have the right, by government and by law, to intervene and use deadly force if necessary. Good nations have that same responsibility. Actually, HUMANS have the responsibility to protect one another, and to enforce what is just and right.

That the US did not intervene in some times in history is by public opinion-- one of the tragedies associated with a mostly clueless and self-centered voting public. That is kind of the point of both the tea-party and the Oppose Wall Street groups-- the status quo is too self-serving; and the selves being served are too few.

Want the US to have a global view? Then let it!

Actually they are both the same thing, it is just comes down to what side of the fence you sit on. ALL countries exploit anything they can for THEIR own agendas. The difference is we can do it so much bigger and better, any other country wishes they could do the same.

Our agendas are our agendas, there is no true right or wrong a part of it since they are both right and wrong at the same time. Just remember the victor write the history books that establishes what is right and wrong in many cases.

Think of how many Arabs in the Middle East approved of 911, with them it was ok, with us it was not.

"He told you to 'cut off the head of the snake'," Adel Al-Jubeir Adel A. Al-Jubeir, His Excellency Adel A. Al-Jubeir (born February 1, 1962) is the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States, and a former foreign policy advisor to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. told the US embassy two days after talks on April 17, 2008 with US ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, and US General David Petraeus, according to the State Department memo.

So yeah same type of assassination, I believe Bin Ladin said exactly the same about the US. Let's remember Bin Laden was never convicted of anything an he didn't even have a place on the FBI's most wanted list.

|Let the US present evidence about Bin Laden involvement with Al Qaida or 911 and we can talk, right now I think the US has far more controversial activity on foreign soil.

Because the Amerika is bringing oppression and tyranny.. Oops .. Erm .. Freedom and Democracy to the world...

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
AQ is not a sovereign government with a seat in the UN like Iran, it operates outside of international law and is dealt with accordingly

Iran is a sovereign government with full representation in the UN with diplomatic relations with both the US and SA

there is a difference

AQ is and alwasys was a US government cell.