HAH!!!!! Former CIA operative totally doubts that Iran is behind "terrorist plot" reported by FBI.

Originally posted by Rigel Kent
reply to post by Deetermined

 

I watched your CBN (Zionist) News clip but you failed to address any of my points about Islam And the Shiite belief of the coming Imam. It is clear to me that you know nothing of Islam and are fed your knowledge from Hollywood, History channel and MSM. I am a Christian open to the ways of other religeons. I feel for you..
We all need to realize that there is but one God and no Governments of the world can change that.

PEACE,
RK

Do you mind telling me what the hell you're talking about? So, CBN was the source I used, so what? There's plenty of other Iranian websites promoting the same documentary.

Here, would it make you feel better if I gave you a link to a website for the Shia Community discussing the video? Here there's actually the full 28 minute video for you. Knock yourself out!

www.shiachat.com.../topic/234987332-the-coming-is-near-recent-iranian-film/

I don't know what my religion has to do with the topic of why I posted this. The whole point was to show what Ahmadinejad believes about the end times. By the way, no Christians I know ever use the term Zionist, so you're suspect.

mexican cartel ? I heard it was a 9/11 victim family member

I trust my ex-wife more than I would any politician.

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Wives are politicians.. Ambassadors, really. That's why she's your ex-wife.

Having read through this thread, it is fair to say that a great percentage of us have real doubts about this assertion by our govt. I'll add yet another informed voice to express his doubt:

This is another one of US law enforcement’s manufactured “anti-terrorist” triumphs, where the feds set somebody up, fabricate a “crime” out of thin air, and then proceed to “solve” a case that never really existed to begin with. This has been the general pattern of our “anti-terrorist” operations in the US since the beginning – because finding and catching real terrorists is much too hard, at least for our Keystone Kops. Instead of going out and actually, you know, looking for the Bad Guys, and then apprehending them, they lure some unsuspecting Muslim immigrant into a trap, and spring it when the time is right.

original.antiwar.com...
And Judge Napolitano appears to know alot about how U.S. agents "lure some unsuspecting" (fill in blank) into a setup:



And yet, this just breaks ......

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - If the United States has evidence and plays its cards right, history shows that it can win the powerful U.N. Security Council to its side in the case of Iran's alleged plot to assassinate a Saudi ambassador.

.....and arrogantly goes on to state:

If the United States follows the example of previous U.S. administrations and presents its case at a public meeting of the 15-nation Security Council, it might be able to galvanize public support against doubters and critics who have suggested that the new charges against Iran border on the preposterous.

news.yahoo.com...

TPTB are either fools or they are deadly dangerous. The other "99%" in the world collectively must keep steady focus on the task of reigning in and prosecuting these global criminals---they know who they are and so do we. If we do not, they are going to inflict much more pain in our world. Their motto: "The means justify the ends", no matter how horrid those "means" are, IMHO.

All of the above focuses on our 5-senses view of the world. But I will wander just a bit into the world of "6th sense", I will be paying close attention to these dates in November: 5, 11, 22, 29.

If america goes to war with Iran , then Im marching in the streets of Glasgow to stop my country from joining the facist empire from killing more innocent people!

Originally posted by sapien82
If america goes to war with Iran , then Im marching in the streets of Glasgow to stop my country from joining the facist empire from killing more innocent people!

I'm right there with you brother. I've been a closet anti-war person ever since Bush got the US into Iraq using false intelligence and some blatantly made up bull # (like the mobile WMD labs). I'm no longer afraid of voicing my opinion on current events to people, even if they think I'm a loon or something.

The hardest nuts to crack are the right wingers in the US who will NEVER believe that the government in the USA is capable of using terrorism or false intel to start wars and create a police state. All they'll do is call you a "liberal".

Who's more liberal: the person who supports a huge government military industrial complex that uses fear, false terror, and intimidation to enact a police state that would make Adolf Hitler drooling with envy, or a free thinking person who despises the corrupt nature of the military industrial complex? We have EVERY right to defend ourselves and go to war if legitimately threatened by a sovereign entity. We have no right to go around playing world cop and entrapping sovereign entities or flat out lying to start wars and engage in imperialism.

No wonder the rest of the world either openly, or secretly despises the United States of America. The US became a great country by doing the complete opposite of what it's been doing for the last several decades.

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It seems very few people find the story whole or in part credible. The big thing is though, how is the Federal government going to go forward with this, now they could be seen as being stuck with a lie? They have made a criminal complaint, Manssor Arbabsiar has been charged and the complaint includes Gholam Shakuri the Iranian Quds operative. Any reference to the Iranian government does not appear to be in the complaint, and no matter who, be it the white house, or the press, makes any refererence to Iranian government involvement can only be considered speculation and nothing more. This though, appears to strike a conflict from the point of view that, if Gholam Shakuri is a Quds operative, he working for, and reporting to the Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, but neither Iran or Khamenei are on the complaint, and given the amount of blood money involved $1.5 million, it is hardly likely, (arguably) that either of the two men on the complaint would have that sort of money of their own. So there is a dilemma for the FBI complaint going forward, and also any actions already taken in frozen foreign assets etc. There is also a difference in this case and the other cases which mostly involved entrapment from the outset, as it has been described as "getting lucky" in the first instance. Someone else mentioned using the Mexican boarder as a means of infiltration, that doesn't seem to be the case, as the only charged person is American, the other suspect is in Iran. The FBI man's identity is not known.

I can't come up with any two news outlets so different from each other (it would appear), but more and more prominent people are appearing in the media to tell us that there are just too many holes in this Iran-Saudi-Drug Cartel story. In my neighborhood, everyone I talk with about this, no matter what their ideological stance, is not buying any of this. No, as I mentioned earlier on this thread, this is a panicked Us/Israeli/Saudi move that is going to boomerang right back onto its deceitful source, IMHO

and here it is, mossad involved:
www.bobtuskin.com...

just like I thought..

"WASHINGTON — The unraveling of an alleged plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States came from a surprising place — the front lines of the drug war along the Mexican border."

".......the plot was revealed by an informant inside the world of the Mexican drug trade, a man paid by U.S. drug agents to rat out traffickers."

"In May 2011, the informant allegedly met with a Texas man named Manssor Arbabsiar, a 56-year-old naturalized U.S. citizen who also had an Iranian passport. "

"......... the informant was “somebody who was in one of the drug cartels, credible, long history, was fully capable of conducting the kind of operation the Iranian was asking for.”"

"........ Arbabsiar and the informant met several more times in Mexico over the next few months, with the informant secretly recording their conversations for U.S. authorities."

".....Arbabsiar has fully confessed to his role in the operation and said he was recruited, funded and directed by Iran’s special foreign actions unit known as the Quds Force."

"Arbabsiar said his cousin Abdul Reza Shahlai was a high-ranking member of the Quds Force who approached him this past spring to ask for his cooperation. Arbabsiar said he frequently traveled between the U.S. and Mexico for work and knew people he believed were in the drug trade, and his cousin asked him if he could recruit someone in the narcotics business for criminal activity."

"Arbabsiar agreed to cooperate with U.S. authorities and made several recorded phone calls to Shakuri in which they discussed the purchase of a “Chevrolet,” their agreed-upon code-word for the plot. Shakuri urged Arbabsiar to make sure they “just do it quickly.”"

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Well in light of these details it sure seems solid to me.

One important factor to note is the fact that the guy admitted to his plot and cooperated with American authorities.

Now imagine if this was you. Imagine if the united states government grabbed you up and accused you of this. If you were innocent would you just admit that you did this even if you didn't do it? And then proceed to cooperate with the authorities in a perfect plot of deceit against yourself?

You would be facing life in prison at the least. Would you admit doing something that you didn't do, something punishable by a minimum of life in prison?

I think that would be the last thing anyone would do.

-Alien