HAH!!!!! Former CIA operative totally doubts that Iran is behind "terrorist plot" reported by FBI.

reply to post by 1AnunnakiBastard


Why are they calling it a "Terrorist" plot? shouldn't it be an "Assassination" plot?

reply to post by deanx


It should be "Wag The Dog Plot".

Remember when Bill Clinton got in trouble with Lewinsky?
Lets bomb somebody! Sudan looks good. Go ahead.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


Hey Monica is tempting look at what what mr Bill is married to anyways, for bill it wasnt as easy as chalking it up to a wild night in vegas with the boys he had to do something drastic,, not everyone is married to the devil (end sarcasm)

Interesting this happens at the same time that Iran decides to trade oil with India in Rupees.
Iran to open accounts with Indian banks for oil payment

They had previously thought of using gold
India, Iran mull over gold-for-oil for now

Libya had an idea about using the Gold Dinar.
RT: Saving the world economy from Gaddafi

We saw what happened to that idea.
Saddam Hussein had decided to trade oil in Euros.
Time magazine article
Invaded and now trading in US dollars.

Interesting coincidences

Even though it all stinks, it needs to be proved a false flag, that might not be so easy. So far, it's known that Manssor Arbabsiar, (US) has some kind of criminal record, and has been arrested. The other accused, Iranian man, Gholam Shakuri however is thought, or known to be a member of Quds, and the plot is against diplomats, and is contrary to UN protocols of which Iran has signed up to. So already it could be that this is a international incident and requiring UN involvement in regard to at least Shakuri.

Originally posted by Colbomoose
Interesting this happens at the same time that Iran decides to trade oil with India in Rupees.
Iran to open accounts with Indian banks for oil payment

They had previously thought of using gold
India, Iran mull over gold-for-oil for now

Libya had an idea about using the Gold Dinar.
RT: Saving the world economy from Gaddafi

We saw what happened to that idea.
Saddam Hussein had decided to trade oil in Euros.
Time magazine article
Invaded and now trading in US dollars.

Interesting coincidences

Yes, I believe these are all things that our government would use as an excuse to invade Iran. We have NUMEROUS other reasons to invade them too. The question is, who will provoke the other first to set off a wild fire in the Middle East and possibly leading to WWIII? I'm not sure the U.S. wants to do that right now based on our current economic situation, unless they are forced into it. I really think Iran is provoking us to say we started it with no legitimate proof, just as the Iraq situation. I think we'll see further sanctions on Iran for now, but keep watching to see what ignites the spark into a flame. I really don't think that the U.S. would rush into anything with Iran without Israel initiating it. We can't afford to be accused of being the ringleader any more. Don't look for us to be the ones to initiate it. We'll go to war with Iran in the name of defense for Israel.

Originally posted by Colbomoose
Interesting this happens at the same time that Iran decides to trade oil with India in Rupees.
Iran to open accounts with Indian banks for oil payment

They had previously thought of using gold
India, Iran mull over gold-for-oil for now

Libya had an idea about using the Gold Dinar.
RT: Saving the world economy from Gaddafi

We saw what happened to that idea.
Saddam Hussein had decided to trade oil in Euros.
Time magazine article
Invaded and now trading in US dollars.

Interesting coincidences

Yes! Out of the box thinking....excellent ..... I love doing stuff like...it is all linked somehow..
good work

As a nation we should be afraid.

Afraid of Iran - Not by a long shot.

What we SHOULD be afraid of is our government setting us up for another 911 and another war. They (TPTB) put us on notice with this event that Iran is a threat to the domestic US. For the doubters, there will be an actual attack on American soil to seal the deal. Then we will attack Iran with the full support of the world AND the full might of the US military. Russia will probably play along - China not so much. That's what we should be afraid of. Iran can't hurt us in a material way. We can only hurt ourselves with our games - and the game is on.

I had strong doubts from the beginning that Iran was behind this. You have to ask yourself, does this serve Irans own interests?
I doubt it. 1) Iran wants American forces to leave Afganistan and Iraq. A terrorist act in the US would probably lead to changes in the political climate and make terrorism a major issue in American politics again. What makes it more likely that US troops would stay in Iraq and Afghanistan. 2) A terrorist act against the Isreali embassy inside the US would lead to a stronger bound between Israel and the USA (and maybe Europe). It is in Irans interest to keep the West devided instead of united. Also in relation to Irans disputed nuclear program. 3) If uncovered it would increase the risk that the West military intervenes against the disputed nuclear program. 4) If uncovered it would alienate Iran further from other Islamic countries.

Maybe there are terrorists from Iran. But I strongly doubt whether this plot was really backed by the highest leadership of Iran.

Originally posted by 1AnunnakiBastard


Questions from former CIA operative Baer about the alleged Iranian plot


"There are very few groups operationally better than Iran’s Quds Force.
They know what they are doing.

The only proxies they use are ones they’ve vetted.

They don’t get their own citizens get involved.

They send other people to do it for them from Hezbollah to Bosnian Muslims.

It would be completely uncharacteristic for Iran to be caught red handed."

"So why were they all of a sudden so sloppy? Why would they take this risk now?

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I know something about intelligence organizations.

All of the above is true.

Iran's intelligence organization is one of the best in the world.

They are not sloppy. they don't use 3rd parties and certainly not Mexican Cartels...and certainly not un-vetted FBI agents posing as cartel members. Nope. No way.

Here is the truth

This was an Iranian intelligence operation.

The goal was not to assasinate the Ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

The goal was to provoke the Untied States and/or Saudi Arabia.

They wanted to get caught.

They are hoping to provoke the USA.

It would rally support by the Iranian people and decenting factions of the Iranian government if the USA retaliated or got more aggressive with Iran. They might have been actually hoping for retalitory air strikes against Iran by Saudi Arabia and or the USA.

The Embargo's are stressing the government, the Iranian people are rising up, certain factions of the government are splintering...what does the government need? An external enemy to help them unite. A distraction and excuse to rally the country to battle an external force.

The mission was not to kill the Ambassador, the mission was to provoke the USA and Saudi Arabia.

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I'm not sure of the numerous 'reasons' for an invasion. Iran is being singled out over its nuclear power developement, led by the US, for no other reason than its ideology, so its political, and with many other states already with nuclear power/ and or weapons, either in or out of the NPT, that is blindingly obvious.

You could argue on the other hand that the so-called 'carefully targeted' sanctions against Iran, are US crimes against humanity, just as they sanctioned and starved Iraq before the big hit. The trouble now is, the difficulty in getting the UN to support anything like the Iraq excuse again. This way however is a back-door trick, to force UN involvement.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by 1AnunnakiBastard


Questions from former CIA operative Baer about the alleged Iranian plot


"There are very few groups operationally better than Iran’s Quds Force.
They know what they are doing.

The only proxies they use are ones they’ve vetted.

They don’t get their own citizens get involved.

They send other people to do it for them from Hezbollah to Bosnian Muslims.

It would be completely uncharacteristic for Iran to be caught red handed."

"So why were they all of a sudden so sloppy? Why would they take this risk now?

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I know something about intelligence organizations.

All of the above is true.

Iran's intelligence organization is one of the best in the world.

They are not sloppy. they don't use 3rd parties and certainly not Mexican Cartels...and certainly not un-vetted FBI agents posing as cartel members. Nope. No way.

Here is the truth

This was an Iranian intelligence operation.

The goal was not to assasinate the Ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

The goal was to provoke the Untied States and/or Saudi Arabia.

They wanted to get caught.

They are hoping to provoke the USA.

It would rally support by the Iranian people and decenting factions of the Iranian government if the USA retaliated or got more aggressive with Iran. They might have been actually hoping for retalitory air strikes against Iran by Saudi Arabia and or the USA.

The Embargo's are stressing the government, the Iranian people are rising up, certain factions of the government are splintering...what does the government need? An external enemy to help them unite. A distraction and excuse to rally the country to battle an external force.

The mission was not to kill the Ambassador, the mission was to provoke the USA and Saudi Arabia.

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I think this is a great observation!

I think it would be easy for Iran to claim that the evidence only proves that a "former Qods Force member" who is an extremist thought this out on their own and it was not in any way an "official" operation of the Iranian government.

Remember, the accused claims that his cousin (former Qod Force member) only TOLD him the "official" Qods Force wanted this to happen. No proof. The second accused is gone and nowhere to be found and probably for good reason.

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There is a main stream journalist, Fox news in fact, saying this terror plot stinks on ice. BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!

The fact they released the information about this plot at the same time as Eric Holder's subpoena over Fast and Furious is comical.

Here's an interesting development and statement made by the Treasury Department yesterday that might help to give us a few more clues into their evidence:

www.treasury.gov...

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Yep...Others are starting to come to the same conclusion I did. Well..maybe they came to the conclusions before me, but I just found them now.

From NPR

Also on Morning Edition, Karim Sadjadpour, an expert on Iran and the Middle East with the Carnegie Endowment said there are other oddities about the scheme.


When Iran has been involved in assassinations in recent years, he said, they've happened in "places where they know they can get away with it," including Europe and South America. And the plots have never involved "working with a non-Muslim proxy," such as a killer from a Mexican drug cartel.

"Kenneth Katzman, an Iran specialist at the Congressional Research Service, said there were elements of the alleged plot that did not make sense.

" 'The idea of using a Texas car salesman [suspect Manssor Arbabsiar] who is not really a Quds Force person himself, who has been in residence in the United States many years, that doesn't add up,' Katzman said.

" 'There could have been some contact on this with the Quds Force, but the idea that this was some sort of directed, vetted, fully thought-through plot, approved at high levels in Tehran leadership I think defies credulity,' he said."

Update at 3:45 p.m. ET. Some In Iran May Want To Provoke An Attack:

If the allegations are true and Iran's "top special forces" were involved in directing the plan, then the scheme could go all the way to Iran's Supreme Leader, says Richard Clarke, a top White House counterterrrorism adviser in the Clinton and Bush administrations. And, he adds, "ultimately [Iran] had to believe we would find out they were behind it ... and would attack them militarily." That, he tells NPR's Guy Raz, "suggests, if true, that they're looking for a fight."

Clarke suggests that if the allegations are correct, "there may be elements inside Iran that think it would be good for them in terms of domestic politics for there to be a fight with the United States." A U.S. strike on Iran might, he says, might boost support for Iran's leaders as people there "rally around the flag."

Clarke adds, though, that this is "a really strange plot." Iranian secret services, "are very professional," he says. "To hire some Mexican drug gang so indirectly" strikes him as highly unusual.

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I would not for a second put it pass the Obama administration
to make this whole plot up...

BEAT THE WAR DRUM OBAMA BEAT YOUR FALSE FLAG PRETENSE!!

Take some heat off of FAST and Furious!!

I do not like Iran, but I HATE war.

WAR should be used as the ONLY last resort.

I suppose the key word here is FORMER. Do you people just believe anything that goes against what the government says with no proof? To believe someone without proof can be foolish... but to also believe something is not true without proof is ALSO foolish.

Who's to say Iran didn't get caught with their pants down, so to speak? You're all forgetting that we also have a pretty badass intelligence agency. There was nothing in that article that made me think he "totally doubts" anything. He just has questions that he won't have answered because he's a FORMER CIA agent. In fact, that article states that Iran has been involved in a number of different attacks through their proxies. So how does that make them less likely to be involved in something like this? THINK PEOPLE THINK.

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Great update! Thanks! I can't wait to see what else develops.

reply to post by 1AnunnakiBastard


a) there are no conspiracies
b) if you think there are conspiracies, youse crazy
c) bush is not obama
d) obama is not bush
e) vote trump 2012
f) discard e