do i vaccinate my daughter..

She's your child so only you can decide what to do. You're gut is telling you that you shouldn't, but you're afraid of schools baring entry due to no vaccine.

I'd say go with your gut and skip the vaccine. Cite religious reasons etc.

The human brain isn't fully developed until around 12. So over stimulating the immune system before then will be detrimental to any higher brain functions/reasoning. Unless of course you don't mind having an average kid that's as dumb as a nail and can't remember what happened 5 mins ago.

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This can help you making an informed decision.

Dr. Tenpenny

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well....on that note i may just immunise her against the measles if the doctors will just do the 1 jab for her..
as i dont fancy the intensive care situation
now im even more bothered about this.......damn it.....ium gonna go to bed and think about this again..
ooh....what to do.

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thanks ..i will have a scan through this in the morning

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Here's another subjective experience for you !

My sister in law is also a nurse and she paid for her three children to be imunised with seperate injections as she too was worried about vaccines. All her children turned out alright but they did suspect one of the children had autism as a result of one of the injections. This later turned out to be wrong and he did really well at school and is off to college. I think their fear made them see what wasn't there in him.

Originally posted by SilentNoise

The human brain isn't fully developed until around 12. So over stimulating the immune system before then will be detrimental to any higher brain functions/reasoning.

I would love to see the science behind this. Please post it.

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I'm not too sure that asking anonymous people on a conspiracy and unexplained site is the brightest place to seek medical advice.

Just my opinion (and common sense) of course.

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The human brain isn't fully developed until around 12. So over stimulating the immune system before then will be detrimental to any higher brain functions/reasoning. Unless of course you don't mind having an average kid that's as dumb as a nail and can't remember what happened 5 mins ago.

Actually its not fully developed until the age of 19-22.

Look up nut allergies and vaccines. It is the new thing happening with kids that are getting the vaccines. My grandson almost died and he is sickly has asthma and catches every cold that comes along. My granddaughter is as healthy as can be and never had a shot. They should have a waiver that you can sign. They will try to hide it from you and give you the run around but they should have a waiver. Check the Alex Jones website prisonplanet.com I think there is information on there about the waivers.

Originally posted by kwell
They should have a waiver that you can sign. They will try to hide it from you and give you the run around but they should have a waiver.

Almost every state has the waiver available for download and printing on their state website. All you have to do is stop being lazy enough to look for it. It is not the job of the doctor or the health department to print your documents for you. All they do is sign it for you to turn in to your school or institution. It's no different than insurance papers: you don't demand your doctor print your pre-approval forms, do you?

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

Originally posted by SilentNoise

The human brain isn't fully developed until around 12. So over stimulating the immune system before then will be detrimental to any higher brain functions/reasoning.

I would love to see the science behind this. Please post it.

There's a nice pdf on autism and such at www.nationalautismassociation.org

Page 6 is where they start talking about some of the MMR shots and different variations, page 7 they discuss what happens with the brain at certain stages.

As for when the brain is truly finished growing it looks like i was wrong, it looks like it's sometime in the mid twenties when it's fully mature.

They cannot give you any muck about it either. All you have to do is sign a religious exemption. Even if they think it is complete bull, they cannot question it. At least not here in NJ.

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No she won't be allowed in school and the school will probably send the nazi regime called "Child Protective Services" after you don't do what they deem a reponsible parent does. Sorry but that's the lovely thing with living with a "Republic" yeah if a republic is so great just ask the chinese how they love thier "peoples republic of China".

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Just an FYI, Russell Blaylock (the author of your article, which is NOT a scientific study) is a quack. He has a long history of endorsing things that have zero data to support them, and uses his cult of pseudopopularity on this and other boards to sell his newsletter.

Are you honestly going to believe a man who is trying to sell you nothing more than his opinion?

Nothing in the article you posted has data, statistics, or numbers. He literally refers to "things I've seen" and "I've been told" in most instances. Sometimes, he doesn't even qualify his "proof" with anecdotes and just states his opinion as fact.

Please provide the science I asked for earlier. I didn't ask for an editorial article.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
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No she won't be allowed in school and the school will probably send the nazi regime called "Child Protective Services" after you don't do what they deem a reponsible parent does. Sorry but that's the lovely thing with living with a "Republic" yeah if a republic is so great just ask the chinese how they love thier "replic of China".

Every state has exemption laws. Stop spreading misinformation. The motto of this site is "deny ignorance", not "make up facts".

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
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Just an FYI, Russell Blaylock (the author of your article, which is NOT a scientific study) is a quack. He has a long history of endorsing things that have zero data to support them, and uses his cult of pseudopopularity on this and other boards to sell his newsletter.

Citation please?

if you read the article you'll see over 150 different references. That's the nice thing about giving references and peer reviewed studies is that you don't have to do all the work yourself.

Studies in small animals with immature nervous systems have shown that glutamate, as MSG, increases the likelihood of seizures from other causes, such as fever [65,66].

[65] Bar-Peled O et al. Distribution of glutamate transporter subtypes during human brain development. J Neurochem 1997;69:2571–80.
[66] Arauz-Contreas J, Feria-Velasco A. Monosodium-L-glutamate-induced convulsions 1. Differences in seizure pattern and duration of effect as a function of age in rats. Gen Pharmacol 1984;15:391–5.

Originally posted by SilentNoise
That's the nice thing about giving references and peer reviewed studies is that you don't have to do all the work yourself.

You know what else is nice? Having has the experience of writing and reviewing peer reviewed papers and knowing all the tricks and loopholes that bad researchers and snake-oil salesmen use in their articles.

If you'll take a few moments to look at Blaylock's citations, specifically where he places them and what facts he is using citations for, you'll note that he floods the basic science portiosn of his paper with them (providing plenty of references for things like brain anatomy, how the brain works in general, and so on), but when it comes to making accusations about the effects of drugs and vaccines, the references suddenly disappear.

This is very common trick and is akin to the "appeal to authority" logical fallacy. He gives an excessive amount of references hoping to make the reader think that science is "on his side". I mean, how else would he be able to find so many supporting articles? The dirty trick, though, is that the articles only support the basic science and not his actually experimental/opinionated statements. He is basically stacking the deck and counting on you not to check. I did, however.

Studies in small animals with immature nervous systems have shown that glutamate, as MSG, increases the likelihood of seizures from other causes, such as fever [65,66].

pquote][65] Bar-Peled O et al. Distribution of glutamate transporter subtypes during human brain development. J Neurochem 1997;69:2571–80.
[66] Arauz-Contreas J, Feria-Velasco A. Monosodium-L-glutamate-induced convulsions 1. Differences in seizure pattern and duration of effect as a function of age in rats. Gen Pharmacol 1984;15:391–5.

This is a perfect example of the trick I was talking about above. Notice how he provides two sources for the statement that MSG causes seizures? If you take a look at the sources, only one of them actually deals with this topic. If you look even further and read the source that mentions seizures, you'll find that the actual data shows a marginal increase in likelihood, and that the seizures were more common in OLDER rats, not YOUNGER ones, which pretty much destroys your theory that the younger brains are unable to handle these compounds.

Science is a wonderful thing in the hands of people who know how to interpret it.

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Not any state I ever lived in not a single damn one not when it comes to vaccines.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
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Not any state I ever lived in not a single damn one not when it comes to vaccines.

*sigh*

This was literally the first result on Google when I searched for 'which states allow vaccine exemption'. All 50 states have exemption clauses. Only WV and MS require medical exemption, the rest allow religious or philosophical exemption.

STOP. SPREADING. LIES.

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Well in NJ and PA and Florida I tried that sh&** and it didn't fly my kids were not allowed in any school until they got all vaccinations. I won't even go into how far NJ went...they may have them on the books but you just try and exercise that right.