U.S. Says Iran-Tied Terror Plot in Washington, D.C. Disrupted

Caption from CNN.COM:

"Vice President Biden says the 'entire world' should unite against Iran for its alleged plot to kill the Saudi envoy to the U.S."

Hmm...makes it look like they are really going after this now. Just a matter of time before we are in every country in the Middle East....

Originally posted by akapapasmurf
i reckon its a false flag iran wouldnt dare risk a terror attack on the us while its nuclear programme is still in its infancy

It would be an attack on Saudi Arabia.

There is a difference.

Iran would love nothing better then to unseat the Saudi's at the head of the Arab table and sit in that seat themselves.

Make no mistake about it, Iran may hem and haw about the evils of the United States and others but the rhetoric is fueled by a desire to have the same power (or more) then those they say they hate.

Originally posted by longtermproject
No ignorance comes from making objective statements based on actual documents.... I have been privy to some Classified things at one point, so I know how that stuff is worded, and I know that the Government makes lots of mistakes.

So, were you saying that Operation Northwoods, the declassified document signed by the Joint Chief of Staff, and the Gulf of Tonkin documents were hearsay on youtube?

If you haven't been paying attention lately, we have found new oil reserves inside the continental U.S. We could get that oil, much cheaper than attacking another country... the thought that we would go after another M.E. country right now is totally unfounded. We are working our way out off the countries we are in, because we know we need to knock it off for a while....

For a while? How about forever, we need to worry about THIS country, and knock off the entangled alliances all together.

I think you have some more life to live, and experience before you make some sort of whacko judgement on me buddy....

Oh, brother. Not another one of these guys. The old guy who grew up in a time when indoctrination was much easier than it is now, since people had no access to the truth, telling everybody else they have no clue because they're not old.

I would never survive in Iran, because I would speak out against the atrocities that they commit on a daily basis towards their people....

Riiiight, because some of the jingoists over there, (like yourself and a few others here on this thread) would like to see you KILLED because you question the dear leaders. You wouldn't survive because of people like yourself, who see dissent as treason.

Me and radical Islam don't see eye to eye.... so No deal.

I'm sure you see eye to eye with some radical Christianity though.

I am happy with my country for the most part, I don't understand why the person who supports the country as it once was should ever have to leave it.... You want to bend the country to your will, and you want me to leave..... that sounds like Radical Islam to me....

I too want to see the country as it once was...that's why I support Ron Paul. If you can't see through this BULLS*#T story, I don't know how you can claim to be so wise. You don't find it odd that Holder magically comes to the rescue in October (when this was all supposedly uncovered back in May), and foils this terror plot the day he's supposed to get a subpoena for supplying no strings attached assault rifles to the very elements that Iran was supposedly trying to enlist in this plot, but just HAPPENED to reach out to an undercover agent? This elite Iranian unit is really so sloppy as to enlist a used car salesman, and weren't able to reach out to an actual cartel member? Of course, such an elite unit would probably understand that there's no way in HELL the cartels would commit an act of terrorism on American soil, for a measly 1.5 million dollars, and possibly bring U.S. troops down on them and their billion dollar industry. The whole thing stinks, and it seems the majority of people see it that way. Kinda like killing Bin Laden, dumping the body at sea before the news breaks, and refusing to provide any evidence whatsoever, other than they said so. Kinda like the assassination of the U.S. citizen, without any trial (even in absentia), that had dinner at the Pentagon after 9/11, and condemned Al Qaeda and the attacks, yet a couple years later disappears and becomes a LEADER of Al Qaeda...of course, no evidence presented, just some videos of him railing against the U.S. government. If that were all that was needed, Ted Nugent would have been droned long ago...

And even if this story is true...I find it odd, and a bit ironic that all these neo-con, Muslim hating warmongers are all up in arms about a plot to kill a Saudi official. Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of the brand of sunni Islam that Al Qaeda subscribes to. The animosity between them is the ages old conflict between sunni and shia sects of Islam. It's odd that Islam hating neo-cons want to send more American kids to die, to avenge a plot against a Saudi official from the government that helps keep radical Islam alive.

Not sure if this has been posted yet, if it has, my apologies..

Quote from Iran Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi:

"We do not seek confrontation," he said. "If they want to confront us and impose their will on us, then that would be their end. If they are capable of hitting us with their fist, we are capable of slapping them. If we slap them it would be so hard that they can no longer hold their heads up. We emphasize that we do not want confrontation, that we want interaction. If they decide to create a confrontation and impose it on the Iranian nation, the consequences for them will be dire."


In my opinion, this could get interesting, really fast.....

Originally posted by jhn7537
Not sure if this has been posted yet, if it has, my apologies..

Quote from Iran Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi:

"We do not seek confrontation," he said. "If they want to confront us and impose their will on us, then that would be their end. If they are capable of hitting us with their fist, we are capable of slapping them. If we slap them it would be so hard that they can no longer hold their heads up. We emphasize that we do not want confrontation, that we want interaction. If they decide to create a confrontation and impose it on the Iranian nation, the consequences for them will be dire."


In my opinion, this could get interesting, really fast.....

Since the USA said that there won't be these sorts of actions, but Iran and the Islamist Supporters on these boards keep up with this propaganda regardless, one wonders who it really is that wants a confrontation.

Originally posted by yellowbeard

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by yellowbeard
The thing that convinces me most that this "Iranian plot" is complete bull poop is the amount of government mouthpieces very long standing members who hardly ever post that have come into this thread supporting it

Oh, I love being called a government mouthpiece.

It seems so much more amusing when I'm under extra survelliance for being a pain in the ass.

??????? I think your ego is getting out of control, Do you fit the criteria I put in, did you join in 2003/4 and only have a few posts to your credit ?
*looks left* Nope, it seems I wasn't talking about you then. Crawl back under your bush and hide from your alleged watchers

edit on 12/10/11 by yellowbeard because: added missing r

The urge to protect the "under dog" is strong with this one.



Hide from what? I'm just a nice middle class Mommy with a way with words and an eye for detail and a mind for strategy....and some problematic relatives. It may be inconvenient, but it isn't actually illegal.

I only have a few posts? Hmmm. What constitutes lots of posts?

Originally posted by Aeons
Since the USA said that there won't be these sorts of actions, but Iran and the Islamist Supporters on these boards keep up with this propaganda regardless, one wonders who it really is that wants a confrontation.

First of all, our government is NOT the USA. They stopped representing the people here a long time ago. Second, they have made it clear, again, that all options are on the table. Third, don't know if you read many of the comment sections on the MSM sites, but there are many who are calling this an act of war, and calling for an attack on Iran. Our government made it clear again, that all options are on the table, in their words. I highly doubt any military action will be taken, but that's not stopping all the hate addicts from frothing at the mouth demanding it, ironically, again, over the alleged attempted assassination of an Islamist, by other Islamists. So, wouldn't that actually make YOU an Islamist supporter?

Originally posted by Aeons

I only have a few posts? Hmmm. What constitutes lots of posts?

You seem to have a complete inability to read and understand peoples posts, so I'll put it in a way you may actually understand, my post wasn't about you so please stop trying to derail this thread with your, possibly deliberately, misunderstanding me, there's a name for people who do that

reply to post by Aeons


It seems like Iran may want a shot at the title belt... Would USA be victorious if these two nations went to war? Yes. But it will be a tough, bloody, one to win....I just dont see either of these nations backing down to eachother....The last thing I want to see is a conflict starting up and then Russia, China, Isreal, England, etc all getting involved...This could turn ugly fast...

Personally I think this is just another poly of the governemnt. The OWS movement is really picking up so why not give us another "enemy" to divert the attention of the American public? It came at an awfully convenient time didn't it?? I think it's a scam and the poor guy they "caught" is a patsy.

MSM now questions if this real, CNN of all news sources???? www.cnn.com... from the last of the link

An important first step is to make public all the details of this plot. In the Middle East in particular, it is only with clarity of facts that the United States can make a convincing case for why the Iran's anti-American posture and violent tactics is not heroic bravado deserving of accolade, but a cynical gamble that endangers the whole region.

well said.

reply to post by 27jd

So, were you saying that Operation Northwoods, the declassified document signed by the Joint Chief of Staff, and the Gulf of Tonkin documents were hearsay on youtube?

I honestly haven't read that much into it.... won't lie to you and say I have.... I will look at them tonight, and I will let you know what i think.... sound fair?

For a while? How about forever, we need to worry about THIS country, and knock off the entangled alliances all together.

I agree for the most part, but it will require different politicians, that aren't bought out to do it.... because the defense companies hold a lot of clout in Congress and whatnot... which means, they get what they want (MORE WAR) so they can keep building weapons, and making money...

Oh, brother. Not another one of these guys. The old guy who grew up in a time when indoctrination was much easier than it is now, since people had no access to the truth, telling everybody else they have no clue because they're not old.

Nope, not old at all.... I grew up around those old guys telling me how life was, and how we are so blessed to be able to whine about the things we do.... I have a huge family history of military service, and none have any reason to lie... If they were lied to its one thing, as you said they didn't have access.... but I don't think the internet, or youtube have made this any better... it seems that more falsehoods come from this great access to information, rather than the real information....

Riiiight, because some of the jingoists over there, (like yourself and a few others here on this thread) would like to see you KILLED because you question the dear leaders. You wouldn't survive because of people like yourself, who see dissent as treason.

I wouldn't say I am a Jingoist... Im not 100%... Im more or less 85%.... Some things I just totally don't agree with, though most of our foreign policy, I do... Yes, in Iran, if you question the leadership you can be killed.... that's fundamental over there.... As I said before, Dissent has passed a long time ago with some of the people on here.... You can tell by the way they talk... People on here have over stepped that line a few times... You have to look at the whole picture.... Being 100% sure of government false flags without any clear proof is an example of this, and spewing rhetoric with that belief is far beyond dissent.... sorry thats just how I feel. You are free to believe how you want, but you won't see me act that way....

I'm sure you see eye to eye with some radical Christianity though.

Far from it my friend.... I don't believe that anyone should push their beliefs on anyone.... I think that you are free to choose what you want out of life, and how you choose to live it is between you and your maker. Yes I believe in God, but no, I do not have Radical beliefs in Christianity as that goes against Christianity itself

reply to post by 27jd

I too want to see the country as it once was...that's why I support Ron Paul. If you can't see through this BULLS*#T story, I don't know how you can claim to be so wise. You don't find it odd that Holder magically comes to the rescue in October (when this was all supposedly uncovered back in May), and foils this terror plot the day he's supposed to get a subpoena for supplying no strings attached assault rifles to the very elements that Iran was supposedly trying to enlist in this plot, but just HAPPENED to reach out to an undercover agent? This elite Iranian unit is really so sloppy as to enlist a used car salesman, and weren't able to reach out to an actual cartel member? Of course, such an elite unit would probably understand that there's no way in HELL the cartels would commit an act of terrorism on American soil, for a measly 1.5 million dollars, and possibly bring U.S. troops down on them and their billion dollar industry. The whole thing stinks, and it seems the majority of people see it that way. Kinda like killing Bin Laden, dumping the body at sea before the news breaks, and refusing to provide any evidence whatsoever, other than they said so. Kinda like the assassination of the U.S. citizen, without any trial (even in absentia), that had dinner at the Pentagon after 9/11, and condemned Al Qaeda and the attacks, yet a couple years later disappears and becomes a LEADER of Al Qaeda...of course, no evidence presented, just some videos of him railing against the U.S. government. If that were all that was needed, Ted Nugent would have been droned long ago...

I do agree, Paul would probably do us a lot of good. I also agree that there is a suspicion that this came awfully conveniently to cover Holders butt.... There is a stink to this, but without more information, I am not going to call the OP busted....

I know a bit about the Bin Laden raid that proves enough to me that it really happened... sorry gonna have to disagree there...

The American citizen terrorist incident, while stupid, might have been the right thing to do, guess we will have to wait to see the declassified documents related to that one. I have heard from some sources that there was more going on with awlaki that is being admitted to at the current time.... guess we only have to wait ~50 years to find out

I can see where your coming from, and I can understand why you believe the way you do, but where I have been and where I am coming from, I am just going to be honest and say that there are some things that we will never agree on.

reply to post by concernedcitizen519


well then, if true, le world must bomb iran. before occupator khadaffi...
oh, wait.

wrong meeting.
excuse me.
sorry, coming through, sorry...

Originally posted by longtermproject
I honestly haven't read that much into it.... won't lie to you and say I have.... I will look at them tonight, and I will let you know what i think.... sound fair?

Sounds fair to me.

Far from it my friend.... I don't believe that anyone should push their beliefs on anyone.... I think that you are free to choose what you want out of life, and how you choose to live it is between you and your maker. Yes I believe in God, but no, I do not have Radical beliefs in Christianity as that goes against Christianity itself

I don't subscribe to any organized religion, I'm agnostic. But did you catch Ron Paul's value voters speech? The crowd knew he was for real, not a fake pandering neo-con, but a true conservative who actually walks the walk regarding his faith.

I can see where your coming from, and I can understand why you believe the way you do, but where I have been and where I am coming from, I am just going to be honest and say that there are some things that we will never agree on.

Seems that we agree on enough to both know the direction the country should be going, under the leadership of Dr. Paul. Strong defense, no entangling alliances. How our founders intended. We should handle asymmetric threats asymmetrically, using the Constitutional Letters of Marque and fight rag tag extremists that may attack us on their turf, in the shadows. Although under a non-interventionist (not 'isolationism') foreign policy, we would be much less likely to have to deal with that anyway. Our conventional military is trained and geared to fight other uniformed armies, and if any nation state attacks us, we'll be much better equipped to respond with our military here at home, not spread all over the world. We have subs and carrier groups for swift projection now anyway, those overseas bases are no longer needed. However, our troops being home with their families, spending their pay here in the USA would help us tremendously, as well as the soldiers relationships and family structures. They didn't sign up for perpetual war against an idea, or nation building. Anyway, ranting now. Thanks for remaining civil, and not calling me an Al Qaeda sympathizer. You can see I have this country's best interests at heart...

Wow, an interesting article from CNN (I know, I feel dirty)....

Questions about the alleged Iranian plot

A number of Iran analysts are expressing doubt over the alleged plot to kill the Saudi Ambassador to the United States.

*snip*

"There are very few groups operationally better than Iran’s Quds Force. They know what they are doing. The only proxies they use are ones they’ve vetted. They don’t let their own citizens get involved. They send other people to do it for them from Hezbollah to Bosnian Muslims. It would be completely uncharacteristic for Iran to be caught red handed."

globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com...

Originally posted by 27jd
Wow, an interesting article from CNN (I know, I feel dirty)....

Questions about the alleged Iranian plot

A number of Iran analysts are expressing doubt over the alleged plot to kill the Saudi Ambassador to the United States.

*snip*

"There are very few groups operationally better than Iran’s Quds Force. They know what they are doing. The only proxies they use are ones they’ve vetted. They don’t let their own citizens get involved. They send other people to do it for them from Hezbollah to Bosnian Muslims. It would be completely uncharacteristic for Iran to be caught red handed."

globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com...

edit on 12-10-2011 by 27jd because: (no reason given)

Seems there are more doubters, but you know, everyone gets caught eventually, there is always the possibility that a Quds officer was trying to make a name for himself, and slipped up.... OR..... he was trying to defect, knowing that the end game with Israel will = the destruction of Iran....

All 100 US Senators are supposed to be getting an Iran related briefing. I'm not sure if its started yet, but the story was reported minutes ago.

Thats unsual, normally it would just be specific Senate committees that dealt with military, foreign, and homeland security affairs.

This could be a sign of something big coming down the pipe.

Quick quick lets bomb another country casuse there arabs, and you know them arabs are devils spawns lol, quick quick lets destabilize the whole middle east so a certain country can keep on expanding...

Lets make sur them arabs dont use all that oil they own, cause we need it for our big ass suvs...