Herman Cain looks and acts more Presidential by the day!

Originally posted by joeym1991
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read Senator Bernie Sanders' Independent from Vermont petition to Obama.

How do you think we could pay for Bernie Sanders ideas when we cant even pay for what we have now.

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You are in denial and what of any that I said in that post was venimous or hateful?

Originally posted by Convicted

Originally posted by joeym1991
We are in debt be cause of Wall Street greed, tax breaks for the rich, two wars, and a prescription drug program written by the drug and insurance companies. do agree to an extent that it is both parties fault.

We are not in debt because of wall street greed, we are in debt because our politicians decided to bail them out for failed decisions.

The other stuff I agree with and I would just like to add that we are also in debt because SS was originally designed at a time when people were expected to live to 66, not they live to like 85. Medicare was designed at a time when there werent endless amount of drugs and processes to make you live longer, regardless of your quality of life. Welfare was designed at a time that a very small percentage of the population was jobless, and before people got smart enough to realise that if they work the system right they can choose not to work at all.

Regardless of the way SS was designed we paid our own money into for years on every job we've ever had . Why should it be cut ? Because certain people of high power felt some financial strain coming their way so the drain "entitlement" programs. (Which should be called insurance policies because we the people have paid into them)

Originally posted by joeym1991
Regardless of the way SS was designed we paid our own money into for years on every job we've ever had . Why should it be cut ? Because certain people of high power felt some financial strain coming their way so the drain "entitlement" programs. (Which should be called insurance policies because we the people have paid into them)

Let me explain it to you. If it was designed one way and took in revenue to match the circumstances at the time then things changes like people live 20 years longer or if healthcare costs skyrocketed then you didnt collect enough money to pay for it over the years, and so now THERE ISNT ENOUGH MONEY to pay for it in the future. So how are you proposing we pay for it?

They arent called insurance policies because they are in fact a tax that just goes into the general fund. They also arent called insurance policies because the money would have been invested so that the profit could help pay for future expenses.

You can call it whatever you like, but there is not enough money to pay for it going forward. So, unless you come up with a way to pay for it then there is really nothing that can be done but to scale it down to where it is affordable.

Originally posted by Convicted

Originally posted by joeym1991
Regardless of the way SS was designed we paid our own money into for years on every job we've ever had . Why should it be cut ? Because certain people of high power felt some financial strain coming their way so the drain "entitlement" programs. (Which should be called insurance policies because we the people have paid into them)

Let me explain it to you. If it was designed one way and took in revenue to match the circumstances at the time then things changes like people live 20 years longer or if healthcare costs skyrocketed then you didnt collect enough money to pay for it over the years, and so now THERE ISNT ENOUGH MONEY to pay for it in the future. So how are you proposing we pay for it?

They arent called insurance policies because they are in fact a tax that just goes into the general fund. They also arent called insurance policies because the money would have been invested so that the profit could help pay for future expenses.

You can call it whatever you like, but there is not enough money to pay for it going forward. So, unless you come up with a way to pay for it then there is really nothing that can be done but to scale it down to where it is affordable.

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I'm not going to debate you study a little more on the subject and find the real truth. Not being a dick but seriously.

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www.usdebtclock.org...

think you could use this great source link

altho its higher than 75 trillion when adding ss,prescription drug plan and medicare.

note the red numbers are bad

we already know that tho.

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What would you suggest I study?

I reccomend you study economics and finance and history, specifically what happens to individuals, companies, and countries that spend more money than they take in.

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Thanks.

I pulled up the debt clock. Damn thats depressing.

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yeah it is but whats not

is your work on here keep it up man

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Thanks I was a long time lurker on here and always love your posts.

I got a few days off so I figured I would join in.

Um, no thanks. Herman Cain is the same dude who wants to centrally plan our economy using mathematics...... I'm not sure what real conservatives see in him.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
Um, no thanks. Herman Cain is the same dude who wants to centrally plan our economy using mathematics...... I'm not sure what real conservatives see in him.

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Can you explain this or point me to something explaining this? Thanks in advance.

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The only way RP has a chance is if the left-of-center folks who are currently registered as Democrats QUICKLY switch their party affiliation and give him their vote. Sadly though, I give him 2% in the overall Primary vote. That's NOT going to cut it. So, I pick Cain, because I won't vote for Perry, Romney, Bachmann or Gengrich.

I understand your position, but at what point do you cut bait? Regardless of "why", he's proven he's a failure in the Primaries. This time around won't be any different.

He's the current "Flavour of the weak" until the GOP tosses him aside.

Who cares about him? He's a loser with no real platform.

He's The Federal Reserve's last great hope in surviving as he's former Chair of The KC Fed!

People try to compare Ron Paul to Obama, saying that people think RP is a savior much like Obama, promising things he can't possibly commit to.

While we have Herman Cain, someone with no political reputation on how he votes, all we have to work with is his 'promises', hmm awful like Obama...huh?

Now we have his link to the federal reserve, Cain doesn't even think the FED should be audited for goodness sakes!

How much more obvious does it have to be for you people?

Which candidate is the pothead? And by pothead we mean someone who smokes regularly? Please provide verifiable evidence. Lastly, please state why you think this is a bad thing.


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An honest business man with a plan may not fit in the white house, but if he is nominated, i will vote for him.

For anyone supporting Cain I want to ask you a question. Why was he getting no traction, less than 5% in polls through several debates and then all of the sudden he jumps 20 points and is the clear leader of the pack. Does that not make you at all suspicious of him? Same thing happened with McCain at the end of the last election by the way - he almost withdrew he was doing so poorly than all of the sudden miraculously for no reason at all he was the frontrunner, and this was before Palin. These elections are rigged it is obvious all you have to do is use common sense.

Can anyone really win that many people over that fast, and have the media suddenly start fawning over them unless the media and the pollsters want him to suddenly lead the pack? They tried to force feed us Perry but he self destructed so badly they have abandoned him, so they are now propping up corrupt option number 2.

The fact that the media is on his side should tell you all you need to know - he is corrupt slime. That is the only kind of politicians they support, if you haven't figured that out by now you just have not been paying attention.

Ron Paul may not be perfect - but the fact the media is fighting against him, and ignoring him at all costs is exactly what tells you he is the best candidate for the People - It means the establishment doesn't want him elected. Unless you are one of that top 1% you are not establishment - and that should tell you all you need to know about who to vote for.

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In an interview with the religious right Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN), GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain badly bungled Uzbekistan’s name and said his standard answer to “‘gotcha’ questions” would be that he doesn’t have answers.

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Yeah, that's what we need alright. Our money is worth less because the autonomous Fed keeps printing it up, and Mr. Cain is former Federal Reserve? Gonna have to stick with Congressman Paul.

Hermie won't get the GOP's nomination.He's a shill for the Fed,pure and simple.He's clearly a Fascist,Cain is under the delusion of American Empire.I can understand his appeal to the TPTB and GOP power brokers.He's just a better educated puppet then George W. Much like Obama.As I have said once before the puppet's skin color may have changed but not the puppeteers.