ccw body armor.

u can pick up servicable Kevlar vests at gun shows for about $150, be sure to test one corner of the vest with a 9mm ball rd. Many have been wet, left out in the sun, are degraded from age, etc, and are no longer any good. The groin protectors, however, are hard to find, and don't protect your thigh/buttocks as they should. So get 2 vests, cut up the 18 layers of Kevlar, one at a time, and make your own "boxer shorts" that stop 9mm bullets. Be sure to create a "carrier" for the Kevlar shorts, cause you can't launder Kevlar, getting it wet ruins it. to keep it from stinking, you launder the plain cloth carrier, you see. Most cops have 2 or more such carriers, so one can be in the wash, while one is worn.

dragon armor is good, not to expensive either. If you want military gear (flack and kevlar) you can find it at www.lejeuneyardsales.com.... They have SAPI plates some times too.

Im hardcore on the fence with Body Armor. I have the cash get what i want now but just have not pulled the trigger, no pun intented.

Im looking at a level IIIA tatical vest with lvl IV plate inserts.

In a SHTF after world. people are not going to be walking around with hand guns. there going to be walking around with battle rifles and your body Armor better be able to stop a .223.

Mine will be able to stop a 30-06 AP round and 6 .223 rounds

it will kill you with its weight and the retained body heat. Most people will only have shotguns and .22's, it's not worth the weight to try to stop rifle rds. Anyone can SEE your rifle rated armor, aim for hip joint-thigh. In the US, everyone is not a moron goatherder, with no ability to hit his mark, you see.

Originally posted by linkedbelts
it will kill you with its weight and the retained body heat. Most people will only have shotguns and .22's, it's not worth the weight to try to stop rifle rds. Anyone can SEE your rifle rated armor, aim for hip joint-thigh. In the US, everyone is not a moron goatherder, with no ability to hit his mark, you see.

you might be right but where my retreat is, up in the woods, people hunt there and have rifles. In a SHTF timeline. your going to be shotting from 100's of yards. In my retreat it makes sense for me to have a high rated vest. Who ever will be advancing on our retreat will have to cover 150+ yards of open land. a .22 is not going to do the job at stoping them nor a shot gun.

its going to be hard hitting someone in the hip when there 100 yard out. I would rather have 70% of my body covered then non at all.

It all come down to where you are holding up shop. for me im going to need rifles. If your held up in a house. a shotgun will make more sence.

at night, 150 yds is nothing to cover, dude. :-) Not everyone is stupid enough to be in open country in daylight, you know. Nobody hits anyone beyond 200 yds or so, with any reliability, if that guy is dodging, going prone, rolling, using cover, and has guys who are firing as he moves.

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I do not have body armor, nor do I plan to get any. I do have a question. Level III can stop normal rifle rounds, but how about surplus? Steel rounds like from a mosin, or 8mm mauser. I have 8mm rounds that are dated 1942, shoot fine the cases are brass, but the bullets are steel. I buy them because they are cheap. The 8mm is $8.00 for 20 rounds with four stripper clips. The Mosin 7.62x54R is $4.95 for twenty. just wondering this is somewhat armor piercing for its day. Maybe you have some ideas about this. Thanks

The following link will lead you to a YouTube video which shows Troy Hurtubise's invention, the Trojan S body armour suit, being tested by being shot a lot.

Before his own website, inventortroy.com changed , it used to feature videos which detailed the exact specifications of the current mark of armour that he has produced. It also contained video of the armour being tested when filled with ballistic clay, a product which records the effect on a body, of an impact from a round or blast.

By measuring the displacement of the clay, one can ascertain the effectiveness of an armour set, or indeed a firearm. When shot at with a three fifty seven, there was a negligable amount of displacement, and the effect on the body would have been akin to a friendly tap in the chest from a buddies fist. The most displacement recorded, if I recall correctly , at any time during the test, at any calibur tested (which I believe was some form of rifle if I remember) was less than 10mm. That is significantly less than most other armour types available.

Furthermore this level of protection , with this armour set, is extended over more of the body than any other armour product has ever achieved. Its the safest place to be when being shot at, unless you have a handy tank or bunker to hide in.

At last count his Trojan S was lighter and cheaper to produce, and more effective than his previous model, and if his test results are authentic, better than any other armour you could think of having.
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What sets his product appart is that it is in fact a full body exo skeletal suit, capable of repelling multiple rounds, from close and long range, of various caliburs and powers. Also,if one can find the information, the helmet and the arm and leg protection he offers with that suit is worth looking up. The helmet is the only one to offer protection up to 9mm for the whole face, being made of bullet resistant transparant material. No use against rifle rounds, but sweet christ its better than anyone else is offering.




www.youtube.com...

Trouble is, Troy is having difficulty even getting government people to LOOK at his suit, because he isnt a security or defence contractor. How dumb is that? Look him up and check out all the vids you can, because I garundamtee this fella has the right idea about personal security and saftey gear.

Oh , he built the Grizzly Suit as well.

Originally posted by wonner
at night, 150 yds is nothing to cover, dude. :-) Not everyone is stupid enough to be in open country in daylight, you know. Nobody hits anyone beyond 200 yds or so, with any reliability, if that guy is dodging, going prone, rolling, using cover, and has guys who are firing as he moves.

well we can do what ifs all day long and 150 yards of open land is alot to cover. you dont know our retreat and its defences. Its going to be hard for this person to get past the hidden LP and cover 150yards of open land that is covered by a hidden sniper town that is equipted with night vision and a semi auto AR-15 converted to a .308 thats can hit a dime from 100 yards. all our rifles are zeroed in for these distences

when our sniper starts taking out guys one by one and they cant find him, im sure they will turn and run.

yeah, right. :-) IF he makes it there, WITH all his gear, and IF he's not already ill or injured, IF the batteries for the NVD'S hold out, etc, etc, etc. Basicallly, your claims are transparently bs.

Originally posted by innie
yeah, right. :-) IF he makes it there, WITH all his gear, and IF he's not already ill or injured, IF the batteries for the NVD'S hold out, etc, etc, etc. Basicallly, your claims are transparently bs.

i dont know who your talking too? me or the other guy.

u, mostly.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
In a SHTF after world. people are not going to be walking around with hand guns.

*While supplies last.

As for body armor, as ex military I can tell you that you don't want to spend every waking moment walking around in armor. Especially IIIA. Also, the point with the whole survival deal is to survive, not stand in front of high powered rifles.

That's right. I wrote Paladin Press's best sellling book, how to make a silencer for a .22, and since 1994, it has sold over 1/2 million copies. Don't kid yourself that lots of people don't consider a silenced .22lr autorifle to be THE choice for a shtf rifle. Once it happens, they will mostly be proven correct, too. You have to use darkness and hide, mostly. At night, or in thick cover, getting hits beyond 100m is mostly a matter of luck. the subsonic .22lr rd, from a rifle barrel now, is lethal/effective to 100m. A .22 bullet in you, without modern med care, is going to kill you from the infection in a few days, and the fever, blood loss etc, is going to ruin you as a combat effective man in a few minuter/hours. Such a wound is no joke, even today, if you can't get to an ER in just a few minutes. Without any muzzleflash or noise to tell you where your lover's killer fired from, what are you going to do about it? Charge? waste all your ammo firing in all directions?

Originally posted by innie
yeah, right. :-) IF he makes it there, WITH all his gear, and IF he's not already ill or injured, IF the batteries for the NVD'S hold out, etc, etc, etc. Basicallly, your claims are transparently bs.

like i said, you guys dont know anything and its all what ifs. nearly all our supplys are at the retreat now. Everyone in our group know how to shot as well as my uncle who is a Major in the army and will be in command of defences.

Yeah NVG's have a battery life and they will only be opereated on a must need bases. once they go out we will have to use our LP as a primary early warning system that will have a hard line powered by our hand crank genny linked to the OP in the house. The OP will wake the rest of us up to man the inner perimiter wall of brick that is 5 feet high. Its then 50 yards to the chain link fence, not up yet until SHTF, and another 100 yards to the tree line.

once SHTF trees will be cut to block all access roads so we dont get rolled up on by 4x4 that can knock down our chain link fence. but even if they managed to do that they would have a hard time rolling up on the 5 foot brick fence.

Other warrning devices will be our camps 3 dogs that will be able to detect anything rolling up on us.

dont care if you think im BS or not. but that how our defences will be.

the only problem i did not think about until now is the 100yard of open space is where i was going to plant our wheat crop. so we are going to have to re think that as the tall grass can provide alot of cover for someone to sneek up on us

Originally posted by Frontkjemper

Originally posted by camaro68ss
In a SHTF after world. people are not going to be walking around with hand guns.

*While supplies last.

As for body armor, as ex military I can tell you that you don't want to spend every waking moment walking around in armor. Especially IIIA. Also, the point with the whole survival deal is to survive, not stand in front of high powered rifles.

well yeah i dont plan on sitting infront of a man holding a gun shooting at me. The Armor would be for the trip to the retreat and rotational patrols. Im not going to have it on when im planting crop and hearding the cattle. lol

u better not be visible at all, for about a year after shtf, until most people are long since dead and things have calmed down a lot. I believe all these claims about this and that 'at my retreat" like I believe in ghosts. :-) Boo!

Originally posted by single
u better not be visible at all, for about a year after shtf, until most people are long since dead and things have calmed down a lot. I believe all these claims about this and that 'at my retreat" like I believe in ghosts. :-) Boo!

well we have a 1 year supply of food for the family and all retreat members are sopose to have 3-6 months. enough to get through winter so we can grow are own food in the spring and butcher the cattle.

i have no reason to make this stuff up but to each there own. As you look back in my profile you will see im a strong belive in a economic collapse of global size. but if you dont want to hear my warning then good luck to you and yours for you only have 1-2 years left of this "normal life" before SHTF and you can no longer get food at the store.

I've been prepared for over 30 years, sonny. :-) If you want to believe that dogs can't be tricked, silently shot, poisoned, fed meatballs full of broken glass, etc, go for it. I was a Military police dog handler, and I know better.

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Got a word for you . Hydroponics. Not just a dirty word, describing the methodologies of less than scrupulous purveyors of questionable substances, hydroponics allows for the growth of crops indoors. While I realise that creating a structure to house a decent sized crop would have its issues, there are also ways that hydroponic process can be used to accelerate the growth of a given crop.

And since the only thing that holds most people back from creating sizeable structures on their property is material cost and zoning laws, you need not consider these, since in a true SHTF scenario, the last thing you will be worried about is the legality of your material aquisition policy, and the possibility of councilmen bashing down your door to serve you with a deconstruction notice!

Alternatively , if you have a basement, or the possibility of digging one without collapsing or weakening the structure of your dwelling, that can sometimes be preferable to a surface structure, since surface structures can be difficult to insulate. The only thing you would need to do is ensure that you have a good and reliable powersource for the lighting and ventilation of your hydroponics facility.

The thing is, having your crops out in the air would of course be better in terms of keeping things natural,but it would leave your crop open to chemical or biological attack. In the event of seige , you need to have as much access to raw food stuffs as you can get , and burying your crop and your food stores underground and out of site, means that you would be more difficult to dislodge in the event of a serious encirclement by hostile forces. This would mean that the possibility of being starved out would be greatly reduced.

Just a thought. I will be going now.