Occupy Wallstreet Vs The Tea Party

I'm not a supporter for either side I'm just trying to get a general idea of where people stand on this. It seems to me, from threads I've participated in, that the majority of people on here didn't like the TP. How do you people feel about Occupy Wallstreet?

Now I'm not sure if I should be comparing the two because it seems like apples and oranges. OW is seeing MASSIVE arrests, while at TPs it seemed to be more peaceful. Also the tea party seems to have a common goal for this country whereas OW seems to be a gathering of people with no goal in mind other than "rich people owe us money" or something along those lines.

Claims have been made that the OW protesters are treating the area like slobs. Extreme sanitation problems are starting to pop up from numerous sources. On the other hand members of the tea party have said they not only didn't have sanitation complaints but they also picked up trash at their gatherings.

Another thing is the "battle cry" from each side. TP yells "Less government is the best government". OWs battlecry is "take the bridge". "Take the bridge" has been chanted over and over by large crowds at OWS before I get flack for 'making up a slogan' or anything.

In my eyes I see the tea party being civil and peaceful while holding their rallies. You don't see large crowds getting arrested. There have been no reports of someone defecating on a police car at a tea party gathering. Then when I look at OW I see ignorant people promoting the collapse of capitalism in America. I see class warfare. People believing they're going after the right people when in my opinion they're doing the exact opposite. Instead of placing the blame on government, Democrats and Republican, they place the blame on "rich people who are to rich".

Now maybe this thread is pointless because I don't see why the media is pitting OW vs TP. I just thought I would ask since MSM obviously seems to think this is a response to the tea party. I think this is a response to people being fed up, rightfully so, at the wrong people... and going at it the wrong way.

No comparison

tea party can't even make tea! IQ is real low for most of these people!!!

Occupy Wall Street is like a Gastro-fabulous 5 start chef with a legion of farmers.
Get educated Tea People and join the Occupy movement, )they are smarter, bigger,
and will get their demands met!

Originally posted by OccupyPlanet
No comparison

tea party can't even make tea! IQ is real low for most of these people!!!

Occupy Wall Street is like a Gastro-fabulous 5 start chef with a legion of farmers.
Get educated Tea People and join the Occupy movement, )they are smarter, bigger,
and will get their demands met!

edit on 10-10-2011 by OccupyPlanet because: more

haha, the OWS crowd will be used by the Democrats just as much as the Tea Party was hijacked and used by the Republicans then you will see the intended message evaporate into something else you really didn't want in the first place.

Just what was the Tea Partyis goal -- no taxes no spending -- no aboprtion no gay rights no government. Thats all I got out of it. Then they pimaried a bunch into the house -- and the country grinds to a halt.

Here is something that may happen - may not but it is a direction. It is kind of what the tpers want but are unable to articulate.

coupmedia.org...

Originally posted by OccupyPlanet
No comparison

tea party can't even make tea! IQ is real low for most of these people!!!

Occupy Wall Street is like a Gastro-fabulous 5 start chef with a legion of farmers.
Get educated Tea People and join the Occupy movement, )they are smarter, bigger,
and will get their demands met!

edit on 10-10-2011 by OccupyPlanet because: more

LOL Yeah OWS is so full of smart people that they cant even make up their mind on whatever it is they want or dont want. OWS should have the slogan, We are not sure why we are here but we are pissed but not really that pissed because we are singing and dancing and having a jolly good time smoking weed and texting on our iPhones that our parents got us.

Originally posted by spyder550
Just what was the Tea Partyis goal -- no taxes no spending -- no aboprtion no gay rights no government. Thats all I got out of it. Then they pimaried a bunch into the house -- and the country grinds to a halt.

Here is something that may happen - may not but it is a direction. It is kind of what the tpers want but are unable to articulate.

coupmedia.org...

The tea parties goal is to reduce the size of government so that we can reduce the tax and regulatory burden on the American people and American businesses. This is the only way we will have a chance to be competetive in a global marketplace.

Originally posted by OccupyPlanet
No comparison

tea party can't even make tea! IQ is real low for most of these people!!!

Occupy Wall Street is like a Gastro-fabulous 5 start chef with a legion of farmers.
Get educated Tea People and join the Occupy movement, )they are smarter, bigger,
and will get their demands met!

edit on 10-10-2011 by OccupyPlanet because: more

At first I thought you were joking.

Then, sadly, I realized you weren't.

EVERYONE: I think this guy's post says it all.

Originally posted by spyder550
Just what was the Tea Partyis goal -- no taxes no spending -- no aboprtion no gay rights no government. Thats all I got out of it. Then they pimaried a bunch into the house -- and the country grinds to a halt.

Here is something that may happen - may not but it is a direction. It is kind of what the tpers want but are unable to articulate.

coupmedia.org...

You have misunderstood the Tea Party completely.

The goal is this: Government needs to be smaller, and more in line with the Constitution. We don't want our tax money to be WASTED.

I never heard ANYTHING about abortion or gay rights in the Tea Party agenda.

We call one group "teabaggers"

We call the other "dirtbaggers"

Simply explained:

Tea Party: Smaller Government, end entitlements, financially conservative.

OWS: Wants the Government to give jobs, money, assistance, more entitlements, and many other things they don't know yet, but may or may not decide in the future if they decide to decide on such things at the time it's decided to meet.

The TP and OWS should just have a civil war and whoever wins gets to run the country forever.

This will solve the right vs left debate.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
The TP and OWS should just have a civil war and whoever wins gets to run the country forever.

This will solve the right vs left debate.

Tea Party would win in a week.

Originally posted by Convicted

Originally posted by spyder550
Just what was the Tea Partyis goal -- no taxes no spending -- no aboprtion no gay rights no government. Thats all I got out of it. Then they pimaried a bunch into the house -- and the country grinds to a halt.

Here is something that may happen - may not but it is a direction. It is kind of what the tpers want but are unable to articulate.

coupmedia.org...

The tea parties goal is to reduce the size of government so that we can reduce the tax and regulatory burden on the American people and American businesses. This is the only way we will have a chance to be competetive in a global marketplace.

And the first things they did was to start introducing socially conservative bills. The last thing they have done is anything constructive.

Both were started as grassroot organizations.
Like any organized group in America both groups were infiltrated by the government and corporate intrests
The Teaparty by the republicans , and now the OWS by Democrats.
This infiltration helps to perpetuate the old "divide and conquer" game which americans always play into especially with the help and guidence of the MSM
Then there are the trolls who have no answer for anything and love to help drive a wedge between people with the
illusion that the two party system still works and blame the republicans on the right or the democrats on the left.
Playing the blame game is really getting old too.

Tea Party:
Fringe Conservatives who feel betrayed because they couldn't see past he neo-conservative wool pulled over their eyes by the Bush Administration, who couldn't see the wool pulled over their eyes by Gingrich Republicans during the Clinton Administration, who have fond memories of the Reagan Administration who neglect to recognise that, despite the Stagflation of the 70s, brought about largely due to Nixon taking us off the Gold Standard and the Oil Crisis, our national economy was still stable and our debt reducing, until Reagan's realignment of the tax code which placed amgreater burden onthe middle-class while making it easier for corporations to outsource their production to foreign countries while keeping their profits domestically...(IE the beginning of the Globalisation that they pretend to hate while secretly they like buying massive amounts of cheaply made goods at Walmart.)

Who think that the welfare state is out of control, despite the fact that a comparative analysis of our nation's welfare state to any other industrialised democracy in the would find ours to barely exist.

Who believe that, despite the fact that the Stock Market is at a rate nearly as high as it has ever been and corporate profits are continually recordbreaking, the economy is not recovering and jobs are not being made because of government interference and regulation.

And who believe the solution to every problem is to reduce the government....that the invisible hand of the Free Market will take care of everything...just like it did in the Gilded Age and Roaring 20s.

Most of all, they are people who feel betrayed by the political system who bought into the Supply Side lie spread by the Reagan Administration, who still hold onto latent Red Scare fears from their childhoods.

Occupy Wall Streeters:
Mostly young, cynical, college aged students and those whomsee a bleak future ahead of them because the precious generation competely sold them down the river, but who, although they don't necessarily like it, have grown up to embrace globalism, mostly on a cultural scale, and the understanding that whether of economic governance or political governance, the future of governance is going to be on a global scale, probably opting for the later, political, governance.

They believe that Wall Street is ampredagor that does not produce anything but rather acts as a funnel of the nation's wealth to a small elite group of individuals who already possess an undue proportion of wealth, and therefore political power.

They see that Washington has sold out, time and time again, to Wall Street and, rather than continue to try, in vain, to change Washington, are opting to take their grievances to the true Halls of Power...the center of the economy.

They are not asking for handouts.
They are not asking for violence.
They are not asking for he destruction of Capitalism.
They are not trying to install socialism or communism.
They just want a chance.

They are just tired of the rich always winning the game because they see that it is the rich that keep rewriting the rules to suit themselves at he expense of the other 99% of society.

*And I might add, the difference between them and the Tea Party is that the OWSers believe that the sort of predatory actions of Wall Street and large corporations lobby politicians to allow them TO DO, because they are "good for business", are exactly the things the government should be protecting it's citizens FROM. That the goverent's role in society extends beyond just the most basic defines against those that would seek to harm America physically to defines against those who would seek to do harm or prey upon Americans Economically.

Can't compare the two.
Clearly Tea Party membes are clearly more civilized.
Tea Party members don't get arrested at their events. How many people have been arrested at the OccuWallBagging events?
Tea Party members don't trash their events.
Tea Party members don't defecate at their events.
Tea Party members wave more flags at their events, which means theirs is country first, while the WallBaggers are doing it for themselves.
Big difference .

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They are asking for the end of capitalism. They are asking for handouts. It's obvious they want to instill communism.

reply to post by madhatr137


Side note...
It might help whatever point you're trying to make if you step back, think real hard and then try to put your thoughts down. You, don't, need, a, comma, after, every, other, word. Also it might be easier to understand your point if you would use a period more often. Say...at the end of a sentence? It's borderline impossible to try and decipher your lengthy rambling.

The real Tea Party just wanted an end to the Federal Reserve...

I fully support the punishment of the Wall street syndicate. The Tea Party was born of the Ron Paul movement, and the outrage over bailing out the Wall Street syndicate. The same reasons for OWS. As we know it was effectively co-opted as far as the national spotlight is concerned. Recall though, the first major Tea Party march on DC of over 100,00 people received no media coverage. None. Zip. Fox did a 2 minute snippet, and that was it. Why? Because it had not been completely co-opted yet. Ron Paul Republicans were still the force behind it. After Sarah Palin got involved the media jumped into to use it to fuel the right/left game.

Now the OWS is rising up for the same reason 3 years too late. A few hundred got some coverage, and then the organized unions suddenly joined out of solidarity? Now it all over the news. There are websites for every city popping up. Major figures in academia, hollywood, and the the left in general are standing up. At the same time the controlled right media is attacking with such vitriolic hatred. Seems like a left/right game being played.

Don't get me wrong I am happy to see anyone doing anything. Still, the fact that the Tea Party and OWS are born from nearly the same crime is interesting. Why? Because they are being turned against each other. The games are as old as time. The 1% rules because the 99% can always be turned against each other without ever figuring out it is rigged game.

The Tea Parties and the OWS should be allied. If we had some intellectual leadership with the courage to unite the 99% we might stand a tiny chance. Those who continue to fuel the divisiveness by attacking the Tea Party of the OWS are merely minions of the 1% who are blind to the crimes they commit.