OWS comes too London stock exchange 15th October

Originally posted by decepticonLaura

Originally posted by Walkers

You don't think you were being sarcastic? Well, I suggest you read back.

This is no global movement, this is a few protests in the US, followed up by a few rentamob socialist protesters in the UK jumping on the bandwagon. In anycase, nothing will change. Peaceful protest solves nothing.

How do I know anything about what you do know and don't? Well it's quite simple really. If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't have made the ignorant statements you made. In the UK, grassroot campaigns from local communities are always pounced on by Communist groups. A good example is the Anti Academies Alliance, this was a local campaign, then it got overrun with Communists which radically changed it. But you knew that, didn't you?

should i not know when i'm being sarcastic?
i can assure you one hundred percent that i was not.
i may use unusual phrasing
or humour
to make my point
but let's get this straight; the sentiment was pure and there was no sarcasm.

yes. this IS a global movement. i don't know off the top of my head how many countries i could get links from where occupations are already happening or being planned, but i am sure there would be more than a few. would you like me to try? or does the fact that a movement begun in america, inspired by the middle east, currently being discussed by us as far apart as aus and uk speak volumes to you, too?

small movement hijacking is, would you believe, not the invention nor sole property of the english
or your grassroots campaigns. which, let's be fair, can be hijacked by anyone at all, not just communists.
which may go some way to explaining our current predicament.
and hey
wanna know something?
if there are communists down there, and there will be
you're not going to stop them nefariously taking control and turning us all into evil red communizombies
by sitting on the internet calling everyone out for ignorance on irrelevant politics.
we're all in this together.

edit on 10-10-2011 by decepticonLaura because: quote reduction

No, we are not "all in this together". I don't want these communists to win a single damned thing they are calling for. I don't want to live in a society where if I found a successful business, my decedents will not be able to enjoy the fruits of my labour because some ingrate students will be angry. Certainly, there are problems at this time, things need to be changed around but capitalism is most certainly not the problem. And this is again where your argument fails. I know nobody who supports these protests or the planned one in London. It's hardly a global movement when those who are supporting it are in the minority.

You really are an unpleasant person. It seems that you are unable to debate without injecting nasty sarcasm and personal insults into your comments. I'm done debating this with you.

Originally posted by Threegirls
reply to post by Walkers

 

Hi there and welcome to ATS

I am looking forward to seeing the footage of the stock exchange protest.

Also, I am so glad that you decided to come and troll here because we are not ignorant enough for your words to have any effect. You are not going to change your opinion because you do not have one, you just counter any argument which is calling for change. This is a good indication that our message is getting out is effective. You also say things which make sure that more people become an active part of the movement because the thought that such ignorance is so pervasive is heartbreaking.

Ah, the last bastion of a weak argument. "You have a differing opinion, you are a troll". Sorry love, no matter how hard you try you will always be the minority. I'm not preventing people from joining, I'm expressing an opinion. If you don't like my opinion, then that's just too bad, because you are going to hear it regardless.

Originally posted by Threegirls
I am glad that people are coming together to fight this cause, I will be at Occupy Manchester on the 15th Oct. I will stand shoulder to shoulder with communists, humanists anyone who will fight to get rid of the system we have.

Good for you. No doubt when your protest turns violent, you will whine and moan about police brutality and how unfair it is.

reply to post by robertauthor



I agree with you.
We should withdraw the money out of our accounts on the Fifthteenth.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


The IRA only got their freedom from English rule once they attacked the financial area of London. After all that bus bombing ect which only fueled anger against them and their cause. But once they shut down Londons financial areas, things changed. So I expect the police to move against them pretty swiftly. Especially as the economy is on the brink.

Originally posted by Walkers

Originally posted by decepticonLaura

Originally posted by Walkers

You don't think you were being sarcastic? Well, I suggest you read back.

This is no global movement, this is a few protests in the US, followed up by a few rentamob socialist protesters in the UK jumping on the bandwagon. In anycase, nothing will change. Peaceful protest solves nothing.

How do I know anything about what you do know and don't? Well it's quite simple really. If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't have made the ignorant statements you made. In the UK, grassroot campaigns from local communities are always pounced on by Communist groups. A good example is the Anti Academies Alliance, this was a local campaign, then it got overrun with Communists which radically changed it. But you knew that, didn't you?

should i not know when i'm being sarcastic?
i can assure you one hundred percent that i was not.
i may use unusual phrasing
or humour
to make my point
but let's get this straight; the sentiment was pure and there was no sarcasm.

yes. this IS a global movement. i don't know off the top of my head how many countries i could get links from where occupations are already happening or being planned, but i am sure there would be more than a few. would you like me to try? or does the fact that a movement begun in america, inspired by the middle east, currently being discussed by us as far apart as aus and uk speak volumes to you, too?

small movement hijacking is, would you believe, not the invention nor sole property of the english
or your grassroots campaigns. which, let's be fair, can be hijacked by anyone at all, not just communists.
which may go some way to explaining our current predicament.
and hey
wanna know something?
if there are communists down there, and there will be
you're not going to stop them nefariously taking control and turning us all into evil red communizombies
by sitting on the internet calling everyone out for ignorance on irrelevant politics.
we're all in this together.

edit on 10-10-2011 by decepticonLaura because: quote reduction

No, we are not "all in this together". I don't want these communists to win a single damned thing they are calling for. I don't want to live in a society where if I found a successful business, my decedents will not be able to enjoy the fruits of my labour because some ingrate students will be angry. Certainly, there are problems at this time, things need to be changed around but capitalism is most certainly not the problem. And this is again where your argument fails. I know nobody who supports these protests or the planned one in London. It's hardly a global movement when those who are supporting it are in the minority.

You really are an unpleasant person. It seems that you are unable to debate without injecting nasty sarcasm and personal insults into your comments. I'm done debating this with you.

i'm sorry, but do you genuinely think you can just be "done" debating this?
you may think that by blocking me out you can stay away from it all
but unless you have, i don't know, some secret moon base or something, we ARE in this together.
we all need to share this planet and so do all our descendents.
this is not about communism and this is not about socialism and this is not about entitled students wanting free money
this is about finding a way to live sustainably and peacefully on this earth
communists, capitalists, unpleasant australians, the lot of us.
you can keep telling me that saying "i am not being sarcastic" is nasty sarcasm
and you can "end" the debate all you like
but we're still trying to find ways to save everyone, you and your descendents just as much as everyone else.
if that makes me unpleasant then i guess i'm going to have to take that mantle proudly.

Well let it be known. I am going to be there. I will travel down on the 13th stay with a friend, an join up with the protest on the 15th. Hopefully there will be no violence. There has been peaceful protests before so don't tarnish all protests with the same brush please thank you.

General Assembly of occupy london:



Special Guest from Occupy Wallstreet Part 1

Part 2 below:



Either way should be interesting

reply to post by decepticonLaura


May I point out, I have read your reply, comments. I have not seen you being rude or nasty in anyway what so ever. Keep debating the issue that is what these forums are for after all.

reply to post by Walkers


I'm going to be there, and as for the police not letting me anywhere near, I'll be wearing a suit waving an iphone and will see if I can find a porsche keyring to jingle.

I'll probably get an armed escort all the way there

reply to post by JustXeno


Will probably see you there then. I wont be escorted, will probably be arrested for not taken off my mask. Or when they ask me to remove it, I will wear a smaller mask underneath it. Oh forgot to add there will be about 15 of us, we will al be dressed in business suits. with Briefcases with our masks in them lol/

Anyhoo should be fun!

reply to post by AnonymousFem


You will definately recognise me, it will be a charity shop suit, a pound shop Iphone case(no iphone) and a giant porsche key ring, didn't want to give the impression that I'm actually affluent false pretenses and all lol.

Originally posted by AnonymousFem
reply to post by decepticonLaura

 

May I point out, I have read your reply, comments. I have not seen you being rude or nasty in anyway what so ever. Keep debating the issue that is what these forums are for after all.

thank you very much! it is heartening to hear some support after that

keep up the good fight sister!
also keep us updated on what happens in london
and STAY SAFE

It makes me so excited to see the possibility of this movement spreading. I hope it makes it way across the entire globe. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you. My only hope is that on Oct. 15 we stand with a unified message that the mainstream media cannot ignore or mark as "communist" "unorganized" or any of the other rhetoric being thrown about. If you do go please post as much as you can about it. I am extremely interested. Brothers and sisters in London, Australia, everywhere don't be fooled. You know exactly what this world needs. It needs less discussion about change on websites like this and more actual change in the world around us. The hardest part is over. The fight has begun. Now let's work together. If you see something that you disagree with or think needs changing do something about it. JOIN US! I promise we will listen to everything you have to say with open ears, but to continually complain without offering a solution is pointless. Let's give the world a message it can't forget. "We are the 99%" means that you are included!? Are you not?? First we get their attention... and then we make demands...

reply to post by Walkers

It seems that you are unable to debate without injecting nasty sarcasm and personal insults into your comments

Like...this?

You really are an unpleasant person

was referring to the UK, not your backwater colony.

If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't have made the ignorant statements you made.

I am part of the 99% and I'd like my voice heard. I vote, I participate in my community, but I do not have the deep pockets of corporations in order to influence policy. I don't want a free ride, I want fairness.

Contrary to what you may believe, Walker, communism is not the only other option to capitalism. What ARE you afraid of? Worried your cleaner will demand a fair wage? Wondering if your portfolio is safe?

I don't give a damn about political ideologies, at the end of the day there is right and wrong. A fair wage, healthcare for all, a decent chance at home ownership, an education for ALL, not just the elite, those are right. Political influence via CASH. outsourcing healthcare to private companies, subsidizing corporations, and ignoring the most vulnerable people in society via draconian cuts ( whilst the elite live it up off the sweat of our backs) is wrong.

On October 15th, I'll be there to have my voice heard, peacefully.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
Communism! Get your day-old communist propaganda!

Follow the communist leaders unto death!

edit on 10-10-2011 by mike_trivisonno because: (no reason given)

That'll be the communism where they sell off all public services to private companies and cut the welfare state? yeah I get ya [/quote


]I have so noticed that during my life . Why do communist sell off all the public water , power , railways or whatever the infrustructure that is needed , to the private sectors so that they can gouge the people.

I mean do the politicians at the time of the voted sell off have private investments in the companies they vote to sell off the public assests too ?

All this total crap about the fear gog of communism . They are all freakin communists it would seem.

The propaganda floating around the place is amazing .

So who is drumming the communist card . Whos behind that , what is the motive . Is it because its the most iconic fear button people still have in recent memory so just have just re invented it .

edit on 10-10-2011 by Anusuia because: (no reason given)

I thought there were a lot of uk users on this website, but seeing how popular this thread is I've got to assume most of them work for a bank somewhere along the line, because I'd have thought there would be a lot more responses than there are.

Come on guys and gals, I've never protested anything in my life before this. But for once I'm going to try and make a difference.

In the end it might all come to nothing, but I hope when my children reach adulthood which isn't that far away, they will get a fair days wage for a fair days work and not have to struggle, or go without some necessities, just to put food on the table.

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If your not gong to comment, but repeat what you or others have previously posted, then you have lost every credibility in your comments.

Takes your trolling else where unless you have something concrete to post!

OWS - the sheeple shepherded into peacefully occupying non-intrusive space at the side of a road hundreds of miles away from the seat of government, which, in case it has gone unnoticed, has largely ignored such a futile gesture and begun campaigning for an election still over a year in the future in which the American people will (again, for the umpteenth time), be offered a choice of two parties and will undoubtedly vote for which ever one uses the 'Time for a change' slogan.
Occupy London, on the other hand, will end up as a free for all smash and grab with the race card played heavily, while the UK politicians fill themselves heartily on drugs and prostitutes, blissfully and Etonianally unaware that they're not actually living in Ancient Rome, whilst selling off chunks of Britain piecemeal to the true winners of WW2, the Fourth Reich of German Europe, who look as though they're about to abandon both southern europe and the Euro.
Thus far all I have seen is farce. WTF is with the 99% thing anyway? If you want to be one of the 1% then go ahead and do it, live the American dream - don't just whine that life isn't fair.
In the words of one of my favourite literary charcters,

Have you not everything you need? If you need a motor car, you pluck it from the trees. If you need pretty polly, you take it.

Remmber, children, war comes to those who wait...

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
Communism! Get your day-old communist propaganda!

Follow the communist leaders unto death!

edit on 10-10-2011 by mike_trivisonno because: (no reason given)

... ahmm, is this post from this year... or century?

after just watching the assembly in the Yt video, the thing that worried me was the lack of one word. PEACE.

If the organisers of the occupation dont make it clear that this is a peaceful protest the mainstream media and powers that be will quickly mold the Occupy London Stock exchange into a anti social, anarchy fest. Even enciting anarchy and violence,by means of kettleing and placeing police vans in easy to vandalise places(as seen in the recent uk student protests)

Fringe groups should be warned that they will jeapordise the whole thing with one rock thrown, one iota of vandalisation, that message would echo around the country
using all the experience the Government has gain over the decades. cleverly molding ticker tape rolling news articles on even the smallest out break of law breaking,spinning stories and using properganda.

the police need to be brought on side of the protesters using peace. and not angering the general public. After all this affects every public and private citizen, POLICE, N.H.S WORKER, PENSION HOLDERS,FIREMEN,CARERS,UNEMPLOYED, EMPLOYED,THE MAJORITY OF BANKERS. THE 99%

PEACE

If it were possible for everyone to be able to even support their family through hard work I would agree with Walker.

If it were likely that most people in the world were happy, well fed and educated, his points would be relevant.

If it were normal to wake up in the morning and be looking forward to the day ahead, life would be alright.

if it were true that the 'richest' and most influential countries had few internal problems we would be a beacon to the world.

If it is possible that the majority of the planets population work hard to feed their family everyday yet rarely reach adequate nutrition, then we need to protest.

If it is likely that many today will die of starvation, exposure, neglect or suicide then we need to protest.

If it is normal to pay out more than half/two thirds of you income on debt and taxes before you even address your bills, then the system is corrupt and we must protest.

If it is true that we are the minority in this world then that is because you can not see us, so we must protest.

I am one of the 99%, who has an income which is exceed by my out goings, I enjoy no luxuries, we work hard, I fear for my children, the world is not as it was when I had them. I did not see because I did not look. The world has changed so much these past 10 years. When life became unbearable I started to look around to find out why this was so. I found that my situation is not uncommon. I found that I was in the majority. I found out that I, my husband and children, my friends, my family are all part of the 99%

This is why we protest.