Ayn Rand's Master Conspiracy

In Ayn Rand's book Atlas Shrugged, she talks about a world where leading industrialists go on strike, and seek to crash the system. Alan Greenspan was one of her disciples, and as chairmen of the federal reserve he inflated money out of control. She also talks about inventors, who don't want to release their technology into a corrupt world. Could this be the case for UFOs?

Is there a group, who is secretly plotting to destroy the political system, and replace it with some libertarian system.

/missing the point

Originally posted by crontab
In Ayn Rand's book Atlas Shrugged, she talks about a world where leading industrialists go on strike, and seek to crash the system. Alan Greenspan was one of her disciples, and as chairmen of the federal reserve he inflated money out of control. She also talks about inventors, who don't want to release their technology into a corrupt world. Could this be the case for UFOs?

Is there a group, who is secretly plotting to destroy the political system, and replace it with some libertarian system.

First off the invention was not UFO technology it was perpetual motion, Tesla technology that draws static electricity out of the air and converts into motion.

Alan Greenspan claimed to be a fan of Ayn Rand only for political expediency to make himself look like a libertarian idealist who supported gold. In actuality Alan Greenspan just ran a huge ponzi scheme to manipulate the free market, something that Rand is opposed to.

The industrialists are going on strike, which is why they are leaving America, but that is only because the market is so rigidly regulated that it doesn't make sense to have a business in America. Ayn Rand predicted this 60 some years ago.

I don't think Greenspan and the banking technocracy would fit into Rand's industrialist "hero" category. They are part of the problem in her philosophy. They'd fit in with the government bureaucrats and corrupted businessmen.
Her philosophy put great store into industrialists who built things that were more or less concrete (although I think Steve Jobs and Bill Gates would fit the bill even their products deal in 1s and 0s).
The banking elite just move money around and make sure it gets funneled to them.

Everything that is happening fits perfectly into her ideological vision of what would occur when the federal government gets too big and business and politics mix. Manipulators and politicians fooling people into believing that the government is the answer to their problems (when it is primarily the cause)

If the producing class creates their own secluded free market zone while the masses clamoring for more government starve to death, I'd prefer to be with the industrialists.
When the system collapses, it will be them , not the "99%" that make the world a better place.

They would not replace government with some form of libertianism but wiht fascism. If you look closely at our government we are already very fascist with lobbyists controling government at different levels. The real power in Congress is on the comittees that actually write and form legistation. Have you ever heard of ALEC? A secretive republican group that writes legistation to be sponsored by republicans all over the USA?

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You kinda missed the point of that book if thats all you got out of it

Ayn Rand seen the rise of Communism in Russia as she was growing up. Moving to America she seen the greatness of Capitalism.

Her books and philosophy of Objectivism are a kind of warning of early signs that capitalism is on it's way out and collectivism is on it's way in.

Not really a prediction, she just gave signs to look out for.

If you have not read the book you should if you have you need to read it again.What most socialists and fascists fail to realize is that they destroy the free market with welfare state agenda.These high taxes and regulations make some industrialists just say I am Done with it .Collectivism means the subjugation of the individual to a group—whether to a race, class or state does not matter. Collectivism holds that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called “the common good.”Rand also said philosophy, Objectivism, holds that:

Reality exists as an objective absolute—facts are facts, independent of man’s feelings, wishes, hopes or fears.

Reason (the faculty which identifies and integrates the material provided by man’s senses) is man’s only means of perceiving reality, his only source of knowledge, his only guide to action, and his basic means of survival.

Man—every man—is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others. He must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life.

The ideal political-economic system is laissez-faire capitalism. It is a system where men deal with one another, not as victims and executioners, nor as masters and slaves, but as traders, by free, voluntary exchange to mutual benefit. It is a system where no man may obtain any values from others by resorting to physical force, and no man may initiate the use of physical force against others. The government acts only as a policeman that protects man’s rights; it uses physical force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use, such as criminals or foreign invaders. In a system of full capitalism, there should be (but, historically, has not yet been) a complete separation of state and economics, in the same way and for the same reasons as the separation of state and church.

alan greenspan wrote books describing the New World Order and the monetary system of control. He then turned to the dark side and Joined THE NWO!

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Rand and Greenspan were tight.

In the early 1950s, Greenspan began an association with famed novelist and philosopher Ayn Rand.[35] Greenspan was introduced to Rand by his first wife, Joan Mitchell. Rand nicknamed Greenspan "the undertaker" because of his penchant for dark clothing and reserved demeanor. Although Greenspan was initially a logical positivist,[42] he was converted to Rand's philosophy of Objectivism by her associate Nathaniel Branden. He became one of the members of Rand's inner circle, the Ayn Rand Collective, who read Atlas Shrugged while it was being written. During the 1950s and 1960s Greenspan was a proponent of Objectivism, writing articles for Objectivist newsletters and contributing several essays for Rand's 1966 book Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal including an essay supporting the gold standard.[43][44] Rand stood beside him at his 1974 swearing-in as Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers. Greenspan and Rand remained friends until her death in 1982.[35]

Source:
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I don't know if that would put him in her hero category or not, but here's an example of someone who was in her hero category.
en.wikipedia.org...

William Edward Hickman.

William Edward Hickman (1908 – October 19, 1928) was an American criminal responsible for the kidnapping, murder and dismemberment of Marion Parker, a 12-year-old girl. The Los Angeles Times referred to Hickman's actions as "the most horrible crime of the 1920’s."[1]

What did Rand see in this clown?

In 1928, the writer Ayn Rand began planning a novel called The Little Street, whose hero, Danny Renahan, was to be based on "what Hickman suggested to [her]." The novel was never finished, but Rand wrote notes for it which were published after her death in the book Journals of Ayn Rand. Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."

To her credit, she did base the hero on the sicko killer, just without the degeneracy.

Originally posted by crontab
Is there a group, who is secretly plotting to destroy the political system, and replace it with some libertarian system.

You mean people interested in creating a new world order...?

An orderr is as much a system as it is a group.

Imagine a world organised around economics, rather than nations; where incredibly wealthy transnational elites have the ability to dictate public policy because "world leaders" know that to not follow their orders would mean the threat of economic collapse...

My answer to you...yes, and the Randian, Libertarian, Objectivists achieved the very goal the Comintern set out to achieve...global domination...were already living in it.

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Thank you objectivist for hitting the main philosophical points on that. I like to hear this. It's actually quite rare for the opportunity for this subject to come up. The story puts it in the paradigm of work and money, but I think it can be applied to all kinds of things. It's the exact opposite of what the world runs on and has run on for seeming millenia.

You are all mistaken, I believe.

The OP putting it in the context of UFO technology. As if there's a John Galt out there making things we only dream about. If he's sincere, he's just looking at another aspect of the story; not at the main point.

Nicola Tesla was a John Galt in intelligence, but not in foresight as he ended in poverty with JP Morgan and Thomas Edison stealing his inventions for their own use and who knows if the pentagon uses any of it for God knows what.

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Objectivism = Greed is Good.

60 second Video Link : www.youtube.com...


Works fine in the world of insects and animals.

Personally , I find this philosophy inadequate for the management of modern society
and spiritually advanced civilization.

Good Post S&F

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I like your Tesla comparison I have always considered him to be a hero.Even in the face of oppression and TPTB against him he still kept on working just like Howard Roark in the Fountainhead.Things like what happened to men like Tesla and countless others are THE thing the Government is really supposed to be stopping.Very interesting Ayn new what was coming back then and tried to warn us Collectivism is Evil and unproductive.Rand said America’s inner contradiction was the altruist-collectivist ethics. Altruism is incompatible with freedom, with capitalism and with individual rights. One cannot combine the pursuit of happiness with the moral status of a sacrificial animal!!!!

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I can't target it specifically, but there's something right and something wrong with what you said. Like I agree and disagree at the same time. I think Laissez Faire is the way to go.

People don't realize how much about themselves they don't know, yet they claim to know others. How can you help others gain strength when you yourself(anyone) don't even know who you are? A person needs to know the starting point before going outward. This is how to grow spiritually.

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Regardless of Rand's personal failings, her works stand on their own. Regardless of any personal affiliations with Greenspan or of his regard for her work, his work and his class are actually the epitome of her works' "bad guys." A technocratic elite is anethema to the ideals of objectivism.

What many fail to see is that their will always be a hierarchy. It is on our biological make-up. If you think we are more than higher order primates, you may be a bit hubristic.

Without a strong government, natural leaders emerge rather than just connected ones.
Collectivism always ends with thuggery and elites, regardless of the ideals or what the elites fill the rabble's head with.

The old order is collapsing. I'd rather hang with those with ability that produce real things than those that produce failed promises of false utopia.

Men are not equal. They are, by nature, unequal.
This does not apply to race, class, sex, etc. The problem is that, at one time, great men who produced, did indeed run the show. The leadership class has been based on connections, family, and scam artists. Hence the collapse.

"The 99%" will continue to be servile in some way, shape, or form. Feigning re-organization that promises them freedom is a millenia old tactic and an effective way for a decrepit elite to maintain power.

Movements and mobs are easy units to manipulate.

The individual is the thing that scares them most. It is the only avenue to freedom.

This is what I got out of Rand's work: are we our brother's keeper. I think she viewed religion and the general democratic and liberal (at that time, for the two parties are different now) agenda as a way of holding back the genius that man was capable of, in the interest of "leveling the playjng field"......a sort of forcing everyone to be equal, as per our constitution. The story was exemplifying the point of " if I was born with genetics that surpassed someone else's, do I OWE it to them, to take care of them because we share the same space?

The problem I find with this is I believe our genetics have been controlled, as well as everything else about us, in order to justify and rationalize a certain agenda of more control......and I find it very pertinent that these books were written and ideas introduced, conveniently, during the industrialization of the world, not just America. And you were branded evil if you excelled and didn't want to share, and evil if you didn't go along with the agenda....

Equal does not translate to the same. We may be different, but we all have value. This is how I view this. But it is a fine distinction, and our society and the way it operates is purposely designed to obfuscate this, in order to divide and conquer and create hatred and judgement, based on a predicted, manipulated situation.....

Originally posted by madhatr137

Originally posted by crontab
Is there a group, who is secretly plotting to destroy the political system, and replace it with some libertarian system.

You mean people interested in creating a new world order...?

An orderr is as much a system as it is a group.

Imagine a world organised around economics, rather than nations; where incredibly wealthy transnational elites have the ability to dictate public policy because "world leaders" know that to not follow their orders would mean the threat of economic collapse...

My answer to you...yes, and the Randian, Libertarian, Objectivists achieved the very goal the Comintern set out to achieve...global domination...were already living in it.

Do you understand the free market at all? In a true free market to big to fail wouldn't exist and the banks that have been running and ruining this nation would have collapsed. No, what you're referring to you is not a libertarian economics(Its really just Austrian economics) but the Keynesian economic policy or micro economics where the government interjects itself into it and doles out coerced tax payer money into the greedy wealth builders.

A free market wouldn't have allowed that, all those banks would have collapsed but sadly the Keynesian people said they were "To big to fail". So you can jump on to the communist train and blame the free market. Its exactly what they want you to do. Hand over the last of your economic freedom over to the government.