One of the most fascinating accounts of life on another planet

Originally posted by Bartibog
reply to post by UnitedSpiritualAlliance

 

"Never say anything in conflict with the Christ insight such as it appears in the Bible. His authority is unassailable in the whole universe. He is the only way; the only truth and the life. "No one comes to the father except through him" (means: His way of living - foregiving everything you feel as injustice against you)."

I found this entry about 90% of the way down.

So, the Aliens are Christians?

That was enough for me.

NEXT!!!

No, Christ is a level of consciousness which the man Jesus embodied. He was Jewish anyway and told people not to make a religion out of his teachings.

Read the words more carefully. It says "the Christ insight" as "IT" appears in the bible. And "His way of living" not himself the person.

Originally posted by Amanda5
I recall reading excerpts from the book mentioned many years ago - way before I found Above Top Secret. I read what was available and thought no more about it. These are my immediate thoughts on entering this thread and reading the few posts available.

If Jesus was my Child I would not be sending him back to Earth so they could have another go.

The author of the book and as such a Contactee - may very well be educated and articulate and I notice that he is also a wealthy and successful businessman.

Sooooo, I have doubts about the entire story - why would Intergalactic Visitors choose a wealthy educated person? If Jesus is truly the only way to be saved - then why not contact regular people because according to religion we are the ones who need saving? And there are plenty of regular people who are very adept and knowledgable at all matters engineering.

Much Peace...

After reading your post I couldn't help but respond with "my point of view" on the subject. Please keep in mind that I mean no offense in what I'm about to say, I don't even consider myself to be a "religious" person, it's just the way I see it.

First, I would like to state that I have indeed read most of the story about "Iarga" mentioned in the OP, (from a previous ATS thread) and I found it to be quite fascinating. Even if you omit all references to ETs, just the concept of living in a society like the one described in the story is thought provoking, to say the least.

Now back to the subject of your post; I noticed in your post that you made several references to your belief that "Jesus is the only way to be saved," yet I don't remember Jesus being referenced in the Iarga story. If I remember correctly, it was through "Christ Way" that all would be saved.

Personally, I believe that Jesus was a man, as mortal as any other, who was guided to teach the principles of Christ Consciousness and in my mind, there is a definite distinction between the two. Christ Consciousness is basically the absolute awareness and understanding that all life in the universe is eternal and "One." It's the realization that it's impossible to harm another person without also harming yourself because we are "one" in the same. Furthermore, it's likewise impossible to help another without also helping yourself, for the same reason.

It's the "Law" of the universe like gravity is a law of Earth, we live within it's principles or suffer the consequences. It is only when the mass consciousness of earth humans accepts "Christ Principles" that we will be accepted into the galactic community.

I believe, the moment that Christ Consciousness reaches critical mass here on Earth, we will witness a quantum transformation in the daily lives of humans worldwide. War will be totally out of the question and peace, harmony and goodwill will become the driving forces of our future. I've read numerous articles where many spiritual scholars estimate "critical mass" to be about 2% of the worlds population and we're getting close. When it happens it will happen fast, that's why they're called "quantum" leaps.

reply to post by IEtherianSoul9


out of this world material, i am awe struck...thank-you, thank-you!

It may be that the author was referring to 'the Christ way' as the only way he could describe their system. It doesn't mean that they where an alien Christian society but more that the author was using that as an analogy to people reading the book.

Either that or it's complete BS! Not sure which is correct but it's a cool story in itself.

reply to post by TheMetaphysician


Your thought about Intergalactic Visitors contacting a person of industry and wealth is exactly what makes me doubt the story. The reason the planet and society are in a mess is because of the influence of the industrialists and the wealthy.

Why wouldn't the Intergalactic Visitors contact regular people or a variety of people from all over the globe. I sense something is fundamentally wrong with this story.

Much Peace...

reply to post by Flatfish


Perhaps you are right. All I know is what I have seen and experienced and anywhere there is a reference to Jesus and/or Christ it has implications of religion.

I am Spiritual and believe very much in moving toward a peaceful world. In other threads I have echoed exactly what you are saying about people all wanting and thinking about a peaceful way of life - at the same time.

TPTB are still the cause of all our societal problems and I still have difficulty with Intergalactic Visitors choosing to help the wealthy and or influencial in any society. Everyone can learn and everyone has the right to be included in any new way forward.

Much Peace...

Thanks.

This seems to be a notch or 3 above the usual of such types of narratives.

I'm a fair number of pages into it. I have little trouble believing that the Dutchman experienced it as related.

It will be interesting as a shrink and sociologist as well as a Pentecostal Christian--to read the sorts of issues that touch on those aspects of my life and person. Not sure when I'll make it through more pages. I hope this thread has a higher level of dialogue than the usual "IS NOT" sorts of naysaying plagued nonsense.

I've read it too, from the link in OP.
I was fascinated at first, but the more I read, the more utopic it seems.
I have problems believing that kind of society could work. It's even worse than communism.
Then the thing about " controlling reincarnation". I mean, really? Someone can control another's reincarnation?
Then all the money and profits talks; I don't care how reliable the person is, this story it's more than obvious reflecting his point of view and his concerns about a profitable society.
However, I enjoyed it as a Sci-Fi story.
And flag it, because it's interesting.

reply to post by jonnywhite


you clearly dont know what you are talking about, christ teachings and allah teachings are the same.

Dont argue, i am a christian living in a muslim country dont bother.

Peace

Maybe some of you guys and gals talking about the view on Christianity in this link did not follow the link to the next page where he really goes into it. I personally am not at all religious and found the next piece almost as if it was written by someone els. I absolutely do not think that the second link (will paste it below) comes from the Iagra beings, and think that it has been totally tainted with Catholic propaganda. Just my view. Also, because in the first page text the Iagra refers to Buddha as well, but then on the second link it is just Christ Christ Christ. Not that I have anything agains Christ, but He is not the only one that enlightened souls. In my humble opinion.

Link: galactic.no...

NEVERTHELESS:

I read the encounter right through and it has had a major impact on me. Their way of life, economy and social structure rings very true to what I have been wanting life to be about. In a way it felt like de ja vu and was overcome by a deep sense of longing.

We as a specie are currently wanting to toss our system out the door (OWS) and every now and then there is someone on ATS trying to put feelers out to find a system of replacement.

It seems to me like we have everything here on earth the wrong way around. We create shortage, produce products that are very inefficient so that they must be constantly replaced, live off the spirit of each other in a dog eats dog world, slave our lives away so that we can maybe, just maybe susstain ourselves, and if you are very lucky you might have a little time and money left to explore the Life Current though creativity in order to grow your soul. We live from constant fear and believe that we can obtain peace through violence. We influence free will through advertising and propoganda. And then when we die, we have nothing to show. Cuase you sure can't take that Merc with you when you go. We totaly lost the plot in our quest in finding the meaning of life. What is the purpose of life? A bigger car? More money? Power? Ha! That which we should value (spirit, wellbeing, unselfishness and compassion) has the value of a speck of dust, and that which really are just specks of dust has taken up our lives in importantce! We sure are one very funny specie!

I can very clearly see how their system works, works extremely well; that their lives are the other way around. The slave labour must be done, but becuase of their efficiency it is minimal and they spend their lives developing their souls.

We do not know the way of God. It could well be that a specie that has obtained such a high level of compassion and posititivity can be endowed with a natural law that the evil doers do not reincarnate into the 'human' form again. His ways are totally beyond our understanding.

When I read about the way of life on Iagra, it felt familiar to me. It felt as if someone has finally put into words the picture of how life should be, the picture that my mind has seen and tried to find.

But will this backward specie of ours be able to do this? If your hart is selfish there is no way you will be able to see the beauty and possibility in this. You will have no desire to want to live like this. If evil is the greater one in your heart you will be repelled by it.

I think I will later on start a thread to ask how many of us are interested, willing, and deem themselves able to consider living in such a s state of love. Or at least try to. The sheer willingness and interest to do so is enough. We all have a dark side and nobody is pure. But the intention and willingness, the desire to have real peace is what is important. It will be interesting.
I have a bit of a headache this morning and will not mind at all if any one of you feel up to it, to start such a thread in my stead. Alternatively , I will do it as soon as I have gotten rid of this chees-head. (Literally.) Cheese gives me headache but sometimes I just cant resist and then I have to pay the price.

Beam me up, Iagra!

Treat this as another contact story.

We only have so many good documented contact events out there, and this is one.

When this was first published, mentioning that this man was a successful businessman would have argued in favor of the validity of his story. Times change.

Here's the site I have always used for this story:
rune.galactic.to...
This site is actually a collection of several old contact stories. I believe the site builder is Norwegian.

It should be noted that this contact continued for some time in the form of "transmissions."

Another interesting contact story is the Krapt story here:
www.galactic.no...
This is another "respected" person from the business world who wanted nothing to do with "ET" theories and still doesn't. His contacts also continued.

What I think is important about these stories.

If you can get by the chance that these stories are being invented (and I believe most of them are not invented) what is important about these stories is what the ETs are trying to tell us.

In most cases, they are trying to tell us that they are more advanced than we are, that they can be trusted, they they have "solved" problems we still struggle with, and that we should be willing to work with them.

Forget the storytellers for a minute. Concentrate on the ETs themselves.

Do you think they are being totally sincere with us? What do they have to gain if they can win our trust and cooperation? What do they have to lose if they can't? I believe this is how we should be viewing these stories.

There is evidence from other sources that most of these ET groups are tricksters extraordinaire. There is a good chance that some of them, if not all of them, are trying to play us. Why? Not entirely clear at this time. Maybe they see the earth as a really nice food farm and potential resort area. Maybe they want us to become more "peaceful and spiritually advanced" so that we will be unable to resist a takeover. Some of them have worked very hard to gain our trust. Do they deserve it?

To preserve his identity in order to protect his private life, we are using a pseudonym given him by the extraterrestrials themselves. They referred to him as "Stef van den Earde" (Stef of the Earth) from which Stefan Denaerde was derived.

ETs speak Dutch? I would never have imagined.

I don't believe a word of it is true.

reply to post by l_e_cox


I thoroughly agree.

What's mystifying to me is . . . the gov types KNOW that the critters CHRONICALLY

LIE! LIE! LIE!

Yet they believe them about depopulation; the destruction of earth and the human race etc. etc. etc.

Sounds like idiocy, to me.

There's a wide variety of good stuff in that link.

S&F

Originally posted by Amanda5
reply to post by Flatfish

 

Perhaps you are right. All I know is what I have seen and experienced and anywhere there is a reference to Jesus and/or Christ it has implications of religion.

I am Spiritual and believe very much in moving toward a peaceful world. In other threads I have echoed exactly what you are saying about people all wanting and thinking about a peaceful way of life - at the same time.

TPTB are still the cause of all our societal problems and I still have difficulty with Intergalactic Visitors choosing to help the wealthy and or influencial in any society. Everyone can learn and everyone has the right to be included in any new way forward.

Much Peace...

I understand completely what you're saying and I too am very spiritual, I just don't have much use for organized religion. On the other hand, If I wanted to pass knowledge on to a global community, what better way than to utilize someone who is "influential?" For instance, if I wanted to relay a message through music would I choose to deliver it to John Lennon or the kid down the street with a backyard band? By the way, there's a lot of truth in Lennon's music, just "Imagine."

Originally posted by InsideOfItAll

To preserve his identity in order to protect his private life, we are using a pseudonym given him by the extraterrestrials themselves. They referred to him as "Stef van den Earde" (Stef of the Earth) from which Stefan Denaerde was derived.

ETs speak Dutch? I would never have imagined.

Of course they do. They also (according to nearly all accounts) appear to be homonids that evolved from fish on a planet predominantly covered in water with identical mass to Earth, having the same chemical composition and atmospheric make up as the Earth, orbiting a star identical to the Sun and itself orbited by a moon very similar to our own.

From which we can only conclude that most people making up these stories have very little imagination

That chinless alien with the golden sash and the black suit in the artist's description seems remarkably similar to the description in the "Take the Pill" thread.

Seems though it gets suspicious when they talk of "hearing about the teaching of Christ and the Bible".

But since they also talk of Buddhist teachings, so far I'm at least convinced it's not one of these subtle "hey look the aliens are christian urgo convert to my religion" stories.

reply to post by Morg234

If you haven't read the entire story you truly cannot understand what this man is trying to tell everyone until you read it all in its entirety. I read it all three year ago and wish I had found it earlier. He did save a life of one of the aliens to begin with. His story is a risk to his community existence and credibility, his friends were just as surprised as we are when he told his story verbally and in print. If you think a credible person like this would expose himself to the kind ridicule that most of you are suggesting you need a head check.

Christianity? do most of you think after being on ATS for awhile that our impressions of religion is just a myth and all the ancient civilizations were just fantasying? you actually think when the ancient people said "they came from above" it was all wish full thinking and fantasy? How many times has that term been used by the ancients? No matter what religion - all the religions have crisscrossed the globe in various forms and have had an affect on all of us in one form or another. So you just give up when Christ is mentioned? LOL. You think that our world has the patent on religion? Some how I think you may be wrong if there is life out there else where. Why would you even be on ATS if you are that short minded. Why bother and even post a comment? Save yourself some time and move on to another forum that has tunnel mentality.

In recent articles we are finding out just how old our earth is in terms of ancient civilization and cultures, new findings come out everyday or week. And we are also finding out we have more hidden modern knowledge that is slowly coming to forward. I personally cannot figure out why we even look so different in some other places on earth - Japanese / Chinese / Korean / Swedish / American / French et. Come on - you have to ask yourself - why. Those kind of differences had to be planned.

So ask yourself - if you were an establish citizen and a successful business person in a major industry - would you go to this extent to tell your story for a few dollars? Of course unless it really happened and you wanted the message to be carried out to anyone who would listen, there is life else where. I personally do not think the extra money gained justified the risk for this man. But that is your decision. After all "Christ" was mentioned, must a be miss placed religious message he trying to drive down everyone's throat with a hoax story - right? Read the entire story and then lets hear some real thought thru comments.

Fiction or not, I would say there are probably a few good ideas and some insight in that.

Not sure what to make of what appears to Christian propaganda, but I've always thought selfishness was mankinds biggest flaw.

reply to post by Flatfish


Have you ever worked in a school environment - are you aware at how fast and how far an interesting tidbit of information can travel. I just wish Students could share their day to day lessons with the same efficiency - however that is due to the education system and that discussion belongs in another thread.

Much Peace...