Why is everyone afraid of a place called HELL?

reply to post by Akragon


It is human nature to try and look for the good in everything. However, Some things are just bad, or just plain unfair in the Natural World. One can call it Natural Law. Like when a Male Grizzly mauls and kills a female's Cubs in order to mate with her.

Or concerning the human element, when one is forced to watch a family member suffer slowly and then perish from Cancer. It could also be like my neighbors who's baby daughter died of a brain tumor when just 8 months old. Some things are just plain negative. Or like you folks like to call it, Evil.

On your other point. Yeah, without a doubt we are more than our body. ~SheopleNation

Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by Akragon

 

Your online just like that!?!??!?! In less than 2 minutes of my post you attack?!?!? unbelievable......whole plan ruined! RUINED!!!

I did not and would not attack you... Unless you attack me...

All this time and you still do not know me?

Originally posted by SheopleNation
reply to post by Akragon

 

It is human nature to try and look for the good in everything. However, Some things are just bad, or just plain unfair in the Natural World. One can call it Natural Law. Like when a Male Grizzly mauls and kills a female's Cubs in order to mate with her.

Or concerning the human element, when one is forced to watch a family member suffer slowly and then perish from Cancer. It could also be like my neighbors who's baby daughter died of a brain tumor when just 8 months old. Some things are just plain negative. Or like you folks like to call it, Evil.

On your other point. Yeah, without a doubt we are more than our body. ~SheopleNation

My friend, im glad you understand that...

Now i will share some more with you...

Nature works perfectly... And sometimes it can be grusom and seem unfair, but everything is exactly how it should be...

In the case of Various ailments such as cancer, and the death of a child. Again these things are meant to be for one reason or another...though the reasons are not for me to say.... but i do have a theory

It is my belief that even in these cases your own accumulated Karma, or that afflicted person's, is what causes this to happen. The rule of "do onto others" applies even into death, and rebirth...

For example...

If you kill, you will be killed...

If you cause harm, you will be harmed....

If you take a childs life, your child will be taken...

etc etc...

You reap what you sow, in this life or the next...

So as i've stated, everything is as it should be... life is perfection.

The only real flaws are our thoughts and actions in your incarnation

reply to post by Akragon


I was joking, lighten up
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reply to post by KJV1611


*grunt*

Hard to do sometimes...

Point taken though

Originally posted by Akragon
Nature works perfectly... And sometimes it can be grusom and seem unfair, but everything is exactly how it should be...

Please understand that I recognize your civil tone, so assume I am responding the same.

I disagree my friend. Nature is flawed. Sometimes it's a reproductive flaw, and other times it is a productive flaw. Meaning, Sometimes life kills itself.

In the case of Various ailments such as cancer, and the death of a child. Again these things are meant to be for one reason or another...though the reasons are not for me to say.... but i do have a theory. It is my belief that even in these cases your own accumulated Karma, or that afflicted person's, is what causes this to happen. The rule of "do onto others" applies even into death, and rebirth.

Well, That's quite a theory you have there. I am gonna stay calm here. You can't honestly believe that another's accumalated karma has any kind of power or priority over another life do you? Think about what I just said.

Listen, My Aunt died of breast cancer. We watched her die very slowly. I can tell you that she was the most kindest person I have ever known in my entire life. And the list goes on..............

For example...

If you kill, you will be killed.

That is one that I hope is true. However, what if you kill in the defense of those who you love? See what I am saying? I do believe in karma, but not in the depth that you do.

If you cause harm, you will be harmed....

Again, just what I said above. In a perfect World, that would be the case. I don't believe the people of Hiroshima, Nagasaki or dresden collectively deserved what they got. Neither did the millions of Women and children who were raped in Africa within the last 10 years.

If you take a childs life, your child will be taken...

etc etc...

Here is another one I hope to be true, but it doesn't apply to my neighbor because she is Catholic and has never had an abortion, let alone harmed a child. Yet, She lost her's to a tumor when her daughter was just 8 months old. Enough said.

You reap what you sow, in this life or the next...

I hope so, but Universal human values are not the end all completion of a so-called perfect order.

So as i've stated, everything is as it should be... life is perfection.

Not even close. Will it take planet Earth to be destroyed by our own hands for people to understand that lie?

The only real flaws are our thoughts and actions in your incarnation

There is only Natural Law. Which as I have stated, is not always what we Humans deem to be as perfect.

With that being said. You and I may disagree, but I like your style. ~SheopleNation

reply to post by SheopleNation

Please understand that I recognize your civil tone, so assume I am responding the same.

I disagree my friend. Nature is flawed. Sometimes it's a reproductive flaw, and other times it is a productive flaw. Meaning, Sometimes life kills itself.

You are free to disagree if you like my friend, these are my beliefs... and i ask no one to accept them or even listen.

Well, That's quite a theory you have there. I am gonna stay calm here. You can't honestly believe that another's accumalated karma has any kind of power or priority over another life do you?

That isn't what i said... Your Karma is your own, but realize that we all have Karma from previous lives, and theres no way to know what you were in a past life, or what you might have done in that life.

Listen, My Aunt died of breast cancer. We watched her die very slowly. I can tell you that she was the most kindest person I have ever known in my entire life. And the list goes on..............

Remember as you said, im not saying this to offend... only to show my beliefs.

She might have been a saint in this life, but again you do not know what she has done in her previous incarnations, or even what she may have done within this life time... we all have our skeletons my friend, even the so called "saints"......everything has a reason, no matter how small it might seem

That is one that I hope is true. However, what if you kill in the defense of those who you love? See what I am saying? I do believe in karma, but not in the depth that you do.

Do two wrongs make a right?

Is forgiveness not divine?

there is no justifcation for killing, or harming for that matter... That which you do will come back to you... sometimes by two... Hey im a poet and didn't know it LOL

In a perfect World, that would be the case. I don't believe the people of Hiroshima, Nagasaki or dresden collectively deserved what they got. Neither did the millions of Women and children who were raped in Africa within the last 10 years.

Again you are free to believe whatever you like... But do you know for a fact that those souls did not reap what they once sowed? You can not say that you do know for a fact... so it remains a possibility

Here is another one I hope to be true, but it doesn't apply to my neighbor because she is Catholic and has never had an abortion, let alone harmed a child. Yet, She lost her's to a tumor when her daughter was just 8 months old. Enough said.

Consider what she( or that soul) might have done over thousands of lifetimes, or even millions... You do not know, she might have stolen tons of children from their parents in her previous incarnations. And now its her turn to feel what she once put others through... Again, no one knows so the possibility remains.

Universal human values are not the end all completion of a so-called perfect order.

Such a term does not exist... Human values are usually subject to that persons upbringing and their environment... Nothing is universal, though there are some absolutes...

Will it take planet Earth to be destroyed by our own hands for people to understand that lie?

If it will be then so be it... Do you fear that day?

I do not believe that will ever happen, at least not in our lifetime.

There is only Natural Law. Which as I have stated, is not always what we Humans deem to be as perfect.

There is much more then natural law... The law of Love is perfect, but few understand it... and even less practice it.

With that being said. You and I may disagree, but I like your style.

Thank you my friend...

Everyone will exist forever whether it be with or without Love, hell is devoid of Love.

Originally posted by Ashira
Everyone will exist forever whether it be with or without Love, hell is devoid of Love.

edit on 19-10-2011 by Ashira because: (no reason given)

Yes but love is the easy path...

Why bring more pain to yourself then you need to?

Life is painful enough as it is

And Hell does not exist... Just so you know

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by Ashira
Everyone will exist forever whether it be with or without Love, hell is devoid of Love.

edit on 19-10-2011 by Ashira because: (no reason given)

Yes but love is the easy path...

Why bring more pain to yourself then you need to?

Life is painful enough as it is

And Hell does not exist... Just so you know

What do You mean by: "Why bring more pain to yourself then you need to?"

And BTW: The Lord God's wrath is much worse than hell.

reply to post by SheopleNation


Why is it in our human nature to look for the good in everything? Why is that possible or better yet, who made that possible?

How did the "universe" create human beings with critical thinking brains and emotions?

What exactly is the purpose for your God and what is your God's purpose for creating man?

You tell me to use my mind, but you offer up nothing to contemplate.

reply to post by Ashira


As i stated previously, what you do to others comes back to you... It can come back to you in various ways, pain, misfortune or other negative ways

Showing love and respect to others litterally lessens the pain you will experience in your life...

And again, if you don't believe me test it for yourself

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by SheopleNation

 

Why is it in our human nature to look for the good in everything? Why is that possible or better yet, who made that possible?

Because we have evolved into more peaceful creatures, as crazy as that sounds. Early Man was much more cruel to one another. We would kill in order to possess fire. We would simply kill another in order to eat. We would simply kill in order to mate. We would simply rape in order to have sex. It was brutal.

Just imagine a clan of cave men walking into you and your families lone camp. There was no "good" and there certainly was no God. There was only ruthless survival. which = natural law.

How did the "universe" create human beings with critical thinking brains and emotions?

If I had the answer to that, I would be a very rich man.

What exactly is the purpose for your God and what is your God's purpose for creating man?

Why does there have to be a purpose? Life is life. Maybe that's it, to live and to love. You need to stop thinking of God as a Man, or in some kind of human form.

You tell me to use my mind, but you offer up nothing to contemplate.

I offer plenty, only you can't comprehend it because you have your shades pulled down. ~SheopleNation

Originally posted by SheopleNation

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by SheopleNation

 

Why is it in our human nature to look for the good in everything? Why is that possible or better yet, who made that possible?

Because we have evolved into more peaceful creatures, as crazy as that sounds. Early Man was much more cruel to one another. We would kill in order to possess fire. We would simply kill another in order to eat. We would simply kill in order to mate. We would simply rape in order to have sex. It was brutal.

Just imagine a clan of cave men walking into you and your families lone camp. There was no "good" and there certainly was no God. There was only ruthless survival. which = natural law.

How did the "universe" create human beings with critical thinking brains and emotions?

If I had the answer to that, I would be a very rich man.

What exactly is the purpose for your God and what is your God's purpose for creating man?

Why does there have to be a purpose? Life is life. Maybe that's it, to live and to love. You need to stop thinking of God as a Man, or in some kind of human form.

You tell me to use my mind, but you offer up nothing to contemplate.

I offer plenty, only you can't comprehend it because you have your shades pulled down.

~SheopleNation

That's some pretty simple thinking without any contemplation needed. There's no greater purpose to life? Doesn't sound like there's anything to comprehend here.

They say its hott!!

reply to post by Deetermined


Nah, You just have your head stuck in the ground. You choose to see what you only want to see. Then you come back every time with some weak minded condescending drivel filled retort. Tunnel vision at it's best. ~SheopleNation

Originally posted by SheopleNation
reply to post by Deetermined

 

Nah, You just have your head stuck in the ground. You choose to see what you only want to see. Then you come back every time with some weak minded condescending drivel filled retort. Tunnel vision at it's best. ~SheopleNation

I think you have that backwards. You're the one who refuses to post details about what you believe for fear of someone disagreeing with you. You've had a history of this throughout every thread. You call other people "intellectual infants" and other names and yet you have never provided ANY information to suggest you know anything at all. You're full of rhetoric with nothing to back it up.

So far, in another thread, you've mentioned the power of the universe and that God is the universe. How come you won't go in to detail about that? Could it be that you simply don't understand it? Could it be that this is a "faith" or a "feeling" that you can't describe? Did it ever occur to you that it's no different than the "faith" people put in Jesus? So, how can you be so critical of those who do? You're in the same boat as them and yet you refuse to admit it, but try to put everyone else down out of your own low self esteem and foolishness.

Originally posted by Deetermined
I think you have that backwards.

So you're pushing forward back like Temple of The Dog? LMAO!!!

You're the one who refuses to post details about what you believe for fear of someone disagreeing with you. You've had a history of this throughout every thread.

Oh really, I am the one who is dominated by fear? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You might want to get out of your Mother's basement, and then face the real world before accusing others of being scared of what you have never even dipped your little toe into, which is the reality of life Jr.

You call other people "intellectual infants" and other names and yet you have never provided ANY information to suggest you know anything at all. You're full of rhetoric with nothing to back it up.

The truth is, that I have only called YOU, and nobody else here, an intellectual infant, because that is exactly what you are. Apparently, everyone recognizes your false plastic stand up act of a desperate internet failure who bases everything he believes in on some book full of crap that was written by mortal men thousands of years ago. Then again, they set it up for sheoplized androids like yourself.

So far, in another thread, you've mentioned the power of the universe and that God is the universe. How come you won't go in to detail about that? Could it be that you simply don't understand it?

An even better queston is, how come you can't read or understand anything that has been repeatedly replied to you about the question you're exactly asking once again? Are you on dope, or has your Priest woke up with a hangover? Maybe you bumped your head again, I dunno.

I have stated many times, and I will try to state it in this last desperate attempt to finally sink it into your brainwashed, yes man robot minded skull bro. Listen Jr. You can tell a lie again and again and again and again, but those with a brain out there see what your policy has been here, and how you use gutless turd tactics to deflect away from how you have been owned and 100% proven wrong..

Could it be that this is a "faith" or a "feeling" that you can't describe? Did it ever occur to you that it's no different than the "faith" people put in Jesus? So, how can you be so critical of those who do? You're in the same boat as them and yet you refuse to admit it, but try to put everyone else down out of your own low self esteem and foolishness.

Oh, I apologize for not having every single answer for the creation of the planet Earth, or let alone the Universe. I am so sorry I can't explain how every single cell started out. I guess on the 6th day we can all sit back and swallow how your God created Adam and the Dinosaurs eh? Yep, He would have truly ruled over every creature who walked upon the earth? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my God as I stand in awe, I bow down on my knees because I don't have the answer to every single question that some brainwashed, yes man sheoplized robot named Deetermined on ATS asks of me! Oh we are so sorry that we don't have the answers to all the secrets of life like you slaves seem to think that you do. Oh please enlighten us all with your 2000 year old load of complete bullcrap and utter garbage for the weakest minds of our times.

You poor weak minded, misled soul you. Listen my friend, Please provide a link or a thread where I have ever stood against Christianity or any religion in general for that matter? All I have done is explain my history with it, and the reasons that I evolved out of those beliefs.

At the end of the day, Atleast I speak the truth instead of trying to manipulate the facts. Like I said before, It's never been personal my friend. Never. Only, You continued to make it just that because you have been intellectually defeated by the hand of truth, which is your true master, The Universe. You got alot to learn my young confused, misled friend. Even with that being said, I won't turn my back on you if you ever need me. ~SheopleNation

reply to post by SheopleNation


Yep! A bunch of rhetoric and name calling that explains nothing. I don't live in fear because I have researched and understand what I believe in.

It wasn't me you called an "intellectual infant". Maybe you should go back through the last few pages of "The End of World as We Know It" thread. Ironic once again, since you admit you don't understand what it is you believe in.

Sorry, you have never explained how you evolved out of your belief in Christianity. You only stated that you did, not how. You claimed Christianity helped you when you were younger, yet you never explained the switch. Unless you're going to tell me that you made a complete turn around because you came to the realization in your own mind that the Bible was a fairy tale, but you never explained why that was either.

In your own words, back at you with "you poor weak minded, misled soul"!!

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You still babbling? You can pound sand all day, but at the end of the day, you still will have only accomplished pounding sand. There is no hell, Only Natural Law. ~SheopleNation