99%? Who wants to be a part of the 100%?

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by projectvxn

 

I know exactly the purpose and scope of the constitution.

That still doesn't change the fact that it is forced upon the individual in the same way as any other form of government. You are not given a choice.

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Ok fine. Let's do away with it and let people do as they wish. They can violate others rights as they see fit until someone violates theirs. Let's have utter chaos. And then when it's all over some kind of dictatorship can take over.

Geez man are you listening to your own words? If you feel like having a constitution restraining government is something being forced upon you then go somewhere more comfortable to your sensibilities.

reply to post by daskakik


If this were true no one would be protesting right now, they would ALL be dead or in jail...

That is forced, forced imposition of government does not acknowledge inalienable rights. Imposed gov gives AND takes away rights.

reply to post by Cinaed


Not True.

People have protested even in dictatorships and monarchies.

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by Cinaed

 

Not True.

People have protested even in dictatorships and monarchies.

And many of them were killed, thrown in jail, abused by the authorities and still are to this day in many countries around the world...Many people simply don't try again.

How is it not true?

reply to post by projectvxn


Dictatorships and monarchies have been overthown so they would not ALL necessarily be dead or in jail.

reply to post by projectvxn

I'm not saying that the constitution is a bad idea just that it was forced upon all, by the few, for their own good. Now you may be in full agreement but there may be those that are not.

Here is the show of force. Someone says they want something else. They are told that if they don't like it they can leave. Can they leave? The confederate states tried it and they were not allowed.

reply to post by daskakik


Not all, but many.

Sometimes it only takes a few for people to give up on trying. History is replete with such instances.

reply to post by projectvxn


Still doesn't mean that those protesting would be dead or in jail. Besides the point was that them not being dead or in jail proved that the US government isn't forced upon the people. That's not true either.

reply to post by NoHierarchy


Where did I say you are a comunist????? I explained why no matter how good it sounds in theory, never does in the real world, how does this make me an idiot???
Why so defensive?

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by projectvxn

 

The question is how am I more free living under the constitution that the forefathers forced upon us than without it?

The answer is I'm not. That is why I don't see much difference between being forced to live in a constitutional collective or a manifiesto collective when my options in both are are accept it, leave, hide or try to change it.

You are not forced to live here. If you don't like it you are free to leave. Many here enjoy the US although it is not perfect, it is working well for many. The US is a creative and innovative country and we are not the only country either. Again, no one is forcing you to live under the constitution. You are choosing to live here, there is no force involved.

reply to post by daskakik

No one is stopping you from leaving the country though... Or from freely traveling state to state. This is not an option for many citizens of other countries

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reply to post by ThreeThreeThree


You both missed the point. It isn't about being able to leave it is about having a choice within the US. If it doesn't exist then you are being forced.

I'm not even saying that it is a bad thing but many complain that socialism/communism is being forced on them. My point is that the whole thing is being forced on them.

It's not personal.

reply to post by daskakik


How is that??? There are multiple ways to change laws in our contry! Don't like one? Do the footwork and change it, or get a new one passed. Write a bil...... Many countries don't have such freedom to determine HOW they are governed

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by Cinaed

 

reply to post by ThreeThreeThree

 

You both missed the point. It isn't about being able to leave it is about having a choice within the US. If it doesn't exist then you are being forced.

I'm not even saying that it is a bad thing but many complain that socialism/communism is being forced on them. My point is that the whole thing is being forced on them.

It's not personal.

What choices are you referring to? If I don't like the country im living in I will either help change it or leave. However im happy with the US although it is not perfect and things can be improved upon. Less government and less corruption is a good place to start for a change.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by mastahunta

 

Then why are the organizers using communist and socialist propaganda?

Why are the protesters holding signs saying END CAPITALISM?

Did you miss this post:

Link to post

That's socialist and communist imagery.

And they don't represent me, there are many people at the rallies who are not communists.

I suppose it just makes it easier for you to marginalize all of them, which is why
the corporate media is focusing in on the fringe element, kind of reminds me of the Tea Party.

These people want revolution not constitutional governance. They want to tear down the American way of life not help it. And they have hordes of folks, like yourself, calling everyone who disagrees with that message "bank shills" or "fascists" or whatever you want to use on me.

Again, you and the media have cherry picked the segment of people that will best propel
your argument of saving the banks, the fed and their criminal practices. Hey, if you are protecting
the banks by engaging in propaganda that saves the banks from scrutiny, you are shilling, it is
your choice to be led by the nose.

I've been following and covering the banks for nearly 6 years. I am well aware, more than most, of what they have done and how they did it. I am also aware of how government helped them do it.

But you're against the only movement in modern times that actually challenges them,
hence why you are imitating the actions of a shill.

When I hear "down with capitalism" and see ISO and CPUSA propaganda spread all over a movement I avoid it and stand against it. Why? Because socialism and communism isn't what will fix the problems we have.

It's not a communist movement, the news media is magnifying the fringe element, so that it
can marginalize the entirety.

You and your allies here, ensure that the group will be marginalized, that the government,
banks and Fed are safe for at least another generation. Such a patriot you are buddy!

reply to post by Cinaed


Still missing it. Any and all government is forced upon the people. From the most tyranical to the most free.

Why should I have to do the foot work to change a law that I never conscented to. I don't recall agreeing to abide by the constitution to begin with. I'm sure getting an SS or getting a Birth certificate did the trick but it wasn't a conscious concent.

To be honest all contries are like that. Even if you are just visiting. The law of the land applies to everyone within it's borders except embassies and such.

I honestly cannot believe some of the posts I am reading on ATS lately and how so many people support corruption by telling the OWS to #-off. Is this a conspiracy site or a mickey mouse site? Honest question!

I cannot begin listing and explaining the massive fraud committed by wall street banks and the american government. Entire books have been written about this as well as web site articles. Here is a good one that explains everything-

whatreallyhappened.com...

I am not saying voting for a democrat is the right answer but it sure as hell beats voting for a republican. I used to support the tea party till it merged with the republicans, now I support OWS which seems more sincere and more grass roots.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

I am not saying voting for a democrat is the right answer but it sure as hell beats voting for a republican. I used to support the tea party till it merged with the republicans, now I support OWS which seems more sincere and more grass roots.

More grass-roots?
OWS is funded by unions, adbusters, Moveondotcom.
So a liberal movement is okay, especially one encouraged by Obama, Pelosi.
Just not a conservative one.

reply to post by beezzer


If you believe OWS is fully supported by the democrats then your fooling yourself. The democrats are almost as conservative as the republicans. By conservative I mean looking out for BIG BUSINESS! And yes I support unions and am proud of it.

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by Cinaed

 

Still missing it. Any and all government is forced upon the people. From the most tyranical to the most free.

Why should I have to do the foot work to change a law that I never conscented to. I don't recall agreeing to abide by the constitution to begin with. I'm sure getting an SS or getting a Birth certificate did the trick but it wasn't a conscious concent.

To be honest all contries are like that. Even if you are just visiting. The law of the land applies to everyone within it's borders except embassies and such.

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Some people like the laws that are "forced" upon them.... What about those people that like to have laws that you don't like- would you like to get rid of all goverment and laws and FORCE that upon other people? You can't please everyone, just be happy and grateful for what you have in life. If you have internet access your better off than the majority of the world.

Are you not enjoying life? You make yourself sound like victim...