99%? Who wants to be a part of the 100%?

reply to post by mutatismutandis


Ok, now we're getting somewhere. But what is the core of this manipulation? Are we talking about taxes? Many at OWS say "Tax the Rich" but what good will that do when we have an incomprehensibly large tax structure that requires one or two good lawyers to defeat?

One way to create equality would be with a three or four page tax code. Flatten it out and scrap the current taxation system as it does nothing for working families and small businesses.

That tax code should be the following: a flat tax not to exceed 20% at median levels and 30% at high levels. Lower levels of income should never exceed 10-15%. And then a 7-9% consumption tax.

But we have to cut spending. Where do we go? No more farm and corporate subsidies. No more government owned enterprises that seem to be nothing more than a black hole. A good chunk of defense spending is contractors that bleed the system dry. Time to cut them loose as well. And we could do it without affecting our combat readiness(which I believe is important...*surprise!*).

Start cutting whole agencies out of existence:




You can't tell me there's nothing in there we can cut out of existence entirely.

Give some of this money back to the states so they can implement education and health initiatives that aren't offensive to American notions of Federalism(instead of "No child left behind" and "ObamaCare" being shoved down our throats). See, these are solutions. Many of them middle of the road. If you take the power out of Washington then moneyed interests can't co-opt it.

You can't get rid of lobbying. But what you can do is get rid of the money. If any money is EVER passed either between a special interest and a politician(or vice versa) then both parties go to jail for bribery and what ever else can be attached as charges.

What these protesters(their organizers in particular) want is revolution, they want socialism from a government no one can trust. They want collectivism in a society built on individualism. They want to get into fights with cops, they want to "bring down the system" and they have no idea why. It's about the chaos and about "fighting the power" never mind that no one knows what power they should be fighting. Are there problems? Criminals? Manipulation? Yes. But you can't solve it by attacking the periphery, we must go to the source...The principle facilitator, The GOVERNMENT.

Man considering that this administration appointed a few wall street executives into nice jobs dealing with their field, how can wall street still be considered the whole problem? I am waiting for the sheep marching to start seeing the other problems they are ignoring. Like the education bubble! US universities have put the idea in everyones head that you need a college education. For some careers you do, but not all. Some college students waste their time partying and squander the money they spent to go in the first place. Then you have loans that you are responsible for that you got nothing out of On the other side of the coin the universities charge increasingly higher tuition while they build up the pay for the trustees. I live in the electric city and Union college owns lots of property in the area. Guess what it pays no property taxes and still gets the services that tax payers pay for. You know police and fire that in a college area gets called more often than not. Why aren't they paying their "fair-share"? That is a huge drain all across the board ! Whine and cry about evil corporations all you want , but realize how deep the problems are and not spit out garbage we have been hearing from the idiots in the media, politics and unions.

reply to post by beezzer

ah yes, and let's not forget ... "never let a crisis go to waste"
and i am relatively positive, with the disclosures of the last few days, the next line of the "attack against America" shall commence as scheduled.
peace to all ...

reply to post by beezzer


Tell that to the women on dialysis, that pulls 50 hours a week at McDonald's to feed her child. Tell that to the guy working in a warehouse for 50 hours a week, with a leg that's blue at all times that he can't even feel. Tell that load of BS to someone that's gonna buy it. "Work hard" AHAHAHAHA! What country are you in? Unless by working hard you mean, getting lucky and latching those lips to the right hinny. By your thinking only 1% of the population actually works hard? FALSE!

reply to post by Thestargateisreal


I work 54 hrs a week...what's your point?

reply to post by Cinaed


Are you rich?

A bunch of unemployed uneducated idiots.
Keep marching and they will stay unemployed.

reply to post by StarPeace


I'm well employed thank you. I got that way by kissing the right ass.

"Oh we failed at life,we now hate you!"
"Roar give us your moneys!"

reply to post by beezzer

Worked hard for what? Money comes to money. If you have more money it is easier to make more money. This cuts in to the ability for poorer people to have opportunity to make more money. We should not have poverty in this country. People do not generally choose poverty. The only people that say that is people who are financially doing okay and if the have not's don't think that it's because they are ignorant. America has no shortage of ignorance I have found. So many people believe our system of democracy works even if it kills them. We need free healthcare and less war. The government has found ways to portray our government as spending 20% of our tax dollars on war but by acting like paying benefits for veterans fits into a different category other than military spending. VA hospitals are crap. I once met an old man on a Greyhound bus that had to ride a bus for 24 hours once every two weeks to get cancer treatment and his cancer was caused by the war he was in. All of his children except one don't talk to him and he had 12 kids. They can't wait til he gets into a retirement home and they can sell all his stuff and divvy out the money among themselves. Money that he's been saving his whole life. I have no problem with the idea of having to work to make a good living but now as I am about to go and get back surgery that I can't afford and have already been out of work for over a year and have no benefits I look back at all the work I've done before this. I've always paid my taxes. I get turned down for state benefits in Arizona because I have no children. The hospital won't let me go back to get pain medication because I have no money. I've done things the right way all along. I even have family members that think I should get a job and pretend to get a back injury on the first day just so I can get L&I to cover my medical expenses and give me weekly checks. I have always paid into L&I on all of my jobs and it is because of the work I've done that I have this injury. But because it didn't happen while I was at work I have no opportunities at all. If I had even one rich family member they would help me because I'm only 29 and this condition if not taken care of leads to paralysis from the waist down. Preventative care would help me and our system would rather wait until I'm within six hours of being paralyzed for life before they will do anything. I try to stay positive but I can hardly walk for more than ten minutes and I've always been a very hard worker. I have nothing to show for it. Nothing but the misery of dealing with this pain and begging for help from people who make me feel guilty.

reply to post by Thestargateisreal


Maybe you should do less ass kissing and more thinking in terms of innovation. What can YOU bring to the table..And not necessarily someone else's table.

If you can comply with the myriad of regulations(and pay for them), you can start a business in this country, you can buy and sell online pretty much anything. You can use your creativity to improve your fiscal situation.

Won't do it by demanding more of other simply because they have more.

reply to post by beezzer


Soon those dollars won't be worth the paper they're printed on, and those useless folks you admire so much will probably end up as fertilizer. If you're so dense as to not see how the 1% is in control, and their ambition without limits has caused the current crisis, then you deserve to be fertilizer too.

reply to post by projectvxn


What's THE most important thing about a good business? Good customer service, kissing some more .

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by beezzer

 

‎...What about the 53% of this country who don't have the time to sit and protest in various cities because their parents aren't paying their rent? What about the 53% of people in this country who work hard, and pay taxes, and aren't asking for a government handout(pay for my school, pay for my healthcare, pay for my living arrangements...etc). You call yourself the 99% but you don't speak for me. Talking about how evil capitalism is when you're doing so on your Apple computers and iPods, and sipping your damned latte from Starbucks. The "99%" can go screw themselves.

Why do you cons keep confusing capitalism and corporatism?

In the end you stand with the corporations, sure enough you guard the Federal reserve with that act.

The Corporatist, fake ass libertarians, can feel free to put the chains on their own wrists.

Protect Wall Street, attack the little guy just like the TV told you to do.

To be fair, it is the socialists who confuse it more with their hatred of corporations. This adbusters group who organized the protest are all about getting rid of corporations, so the mantra over and over in this protest has been "down with corporations" "down with Capitalism", "up with Democracy"

Democracy really means mob rule, rule of the majority and probably a Direct Democracy, since we already have Democratic elections(like the ones we brought to Iraq?) they must want a Direct Democracy instead of the Republic we have. That means they want to overthrow our system of govt(anarchism for certain) and I would be willing to bet that Socialism is behind it, as it usually is.
Also, the OWS seem particularly fond of Socialism. After decades of studying this Hegelian thing, It seems to me that there are genuinely two factions. The Barack/Soros faction wants a Socialist Utopia with Direct Democracy, and the Bush faction wants the Federal Reserve(private banks) to rule the day.
BOth systems actually rely on the Fed to do their dirty work, and both get payoffs from cronyism.
Anyone causally looking at the 44th POTUS can see how he pays off
his associates and ppl who elected him.

I was thinking about this after Ron Pauls interview with Wolf Blizter, as he explains that Direct Democracy is not a solution to our problems, and that we primarily use Keynesian model.
This model involves spending money to keep it in circulation. That is where the QE1 and 2 come out of, stimulating the econ. Of course this admin is using the Statist model of using it to grow govt whereas Bush directed it more into the private sector. Both rely heavily on the Fed.

reply to post by Thestargateisreal


I guess it depends on who you ask.....I do okay, doing VERY okay considering I found this job even though I keep hearing there are *no jobs*

I wouldn't call myself rich....I don't work because I have to invest 54 hrs to get by. I do it because I like helping people and I LIKE the extra money

Happy with the company car, happy with the benefits, happy with the medical and dental..... I feel grateful for such a good job in a tough economy.

I have a very good secure job until Feb of this yr, I quit as it was ruining my health...took me 7 months to find another equivalent, and I had to work a few really sucky jobs while I looked.... I have all my needs met, saving a bit and have a few bucks to play with in my pocket...I think life is GOOD, and I am grateful for what I DO have

Not pissy about all the *things* I don't have

reply to post by amodedoma


Why is it when someone disagrees with these protesters and what they think they stand for the threats come out? "You're going to be fertilizer too?" Are you serious?

Some of us don't see being rich as a sin. Criminals are criminals and I think we can all agree on that. But when you threaten others because they disagree with you then you're no better than the criminals you're supposed to be against.

Listen to the words of John Lennon:


For the dim....This is an ANTI-Revolution song.

reply to post by Cinaed


Sounds like you got lucky, a lot more so than worked hard for it.

According to the op you're still lazy. Shame on you, you lazy none 1%er!

reply to post by Thestargateisreal


Shouldn't you WANT to be courteous to your customers? Not doing so would make any customer base you have disappear.

Originally posted by Thestargateisreal
reply to post by beezzer

 

Tell that to the women on dialysis, that pulls 50 hours a week at McDonald's to feed her child. Tell that to the guy working in a warehouse for 50 hours a week, with a leg that's blue at all times that he can't even feel. Tell that load of BS to someone that's gonna buy it. "Work hard" AHAHAHAHA! What country are you in? Unless by working hard you mean, getting lucky and latching those lips to the right hinny. By your thinking only 1% of the population actually works hard? FALSE!

sooooo, by your thinking ... protesting wall street alleviates any of the above, how?
guess what ??? each of those ill persons is supposed to have a what?? oh yea, a representative and guess what about that??? they manipulate Wall Street too.

so long as there exists the Federal Reserve, there will never be peace in any world, country, citizenry or future ... you can whine about it all you want but whilst you feed the beast, remember whose hand he's likely to bite.

reply to post by projectvxn

But we have to cut spending. Where do we go? No more farm and corporate subsidies

You know what's really interesting to me, is that many who want various personal entitlements like Universal single payer health care complain bitterly of corporate welfare, but you make a point about farm subsidies. People don't even realize that this reaches into smaller farms because they cannot handle the overhead the same way a large corporate farm facility can.
It's class warfare that sets this thing off. While they would probably say fine give small farms the subsidies but make the big corporations pay....see thats how they see things...so really what they espouse is not true fairness or justice at all, but robbing at gunpoint.