Why should I let you through the checkpoint?

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I imagine with that many people of the fairer sex around all the time you have to wear a tampon to fit in right?

thank you and good day/night depending on your location in this universe.

Where has this thread gone?

From SHTF survival, to just plain old urban survival for us poor fellas in a sea of stinging women.

OP come back!! Pull us out of the abyss and say something profound. Hurry!

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Wooo...this moonshine tank fuel must be kicking in now...i'm seeing double avatars...and hey you've changed......where am i ????

For a moment i thought i was in a SHTF situation with all these hippy loser types.....hey wait a minute....i can smell grilled cat....and there's a ball peen hammer stuck in the tracks ???

OMG...some hippy has painted my tank with flowers and sh.. !

That's it i'm leaving !

Cosmic...

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Where has this thread gone?

From SHTF survival, to just plain old urban survival for us poor fellas in a sea of stinging women.

OP come back!! Pull us out of the abyss and say something profound. Hurry!

Something profound:

In a true SHTF survival scenario, it would be best to keep the population and procreation down to a minimum... allowing too many people in would easily get out of control and a small "checkpoint" type of compound would not be able to sustain with too many mouths to feed.

Space is limited for food growth and the surrounding flora/fauna would run out fast.

Originally posted by CranialSponge

All those women hanging around your pad ?! Run man run, while you still have your sanity !

To assume that I DO still have my sanity may be a stretch...

You went ahead with that crazy Phyllis Diller hair and Charles Manson evil-eye look didn't you ?

Umm... yeah... it was supposed to keep 'em scared back off of me...

Sorry, I forgot to tell you... that look not only serves the purpose of making you look schizoid, but it's also a chick magnet thing.

I apologize for my lack of clarity.

I KNEW I was doing it all wrong! Would it help to add a 3 piece suit to it? Try to look respectable? I don't know about a tie, though. Seems like putting anything around my neck with a slip-knot already tied in it might be a mistake... 'specially with these women lurking about....

Originally posted by crimsongod21
reply to post by nenothtu

 

I imagine with that many people of the fairer sex around all the time you have to wear a tampon to fit in right?

thank you and good day/night depending on your location in this universe.

I've replaced all the wound dressings in my bug out bag with tampons and maxi-pads... I mean, they're already available around here, and do the job, right?

I may jump into that story thread later on - are you going to run two threads, one for the main story, and one for back room discussion among the writers to coordinate the story?

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Where has this thread gone?

From SHTF survival, to just plain old urban survival for us poor fellas in a sea of stinging women.

OP come back!! Pull us out of the abyss and say something profound. Hurry!

I'm skeert. You can't even climb a tree to get away from 'em!

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Ahhh, but survival of the babies and young men will probably be low percentage, so we have to make as many as possible so enough survive to ensure survival of our species. The men that survive will need as many women as possible, and the women will need as many babies as possible. It's gonna be tough on us poor, virile men, having to do our duties as often as possible with multiple partners, but we'll do our best for the community. Duty calls.

Besides, babies don't need a lot of resources (although pregnant and nursing women do), and by the time they are old enough to eat a lot, they are also old enough to help with chores, and forage and hunt, and have their own babies.

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hmm that could be a good idea, as of right now im the only writer on said thread so not much of a need but if people start to get interested yeah i think i will open a discussion/idea thread. i hope this takes off, considering the imagination i have already seen through this thread it could be an epic story.

ok theory and discussion thread opened here

the link

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Where has this thread gone?

From SHTF survival, to just plain old urban survival for us poor fellas in a sea of stinging women.

OP come back!! Pull us out of the abyss and say something profound. Hurry!

I'm skeert. You can't even climb a tree to get away from 'em!

Well of course not silly, what were you thinking ?

Women are far more flexible than men, making them naturally better tree climbers.

Read like 15 pages then the last three, Thread went down hill it seems. Hmmm I think i would set up camp a little way away and watch to see how you treated others who came down the pass. While I feel better when alone as only my mistakes can only harm me. I would crave attention now and again. As for staying no thanks. Heres some venison and some wild onions. Mind if I stay the night Will cut the wood for the fire and cook the food. Can tell a tale or two over the meal maybe teach a few young ones how to make a few easy to use traps.. Next day will assist in some of the Gardening and thatch works for some water. Maybe pass back through in a few months and say hello. But I won't be staying.. Oh and here are a few designs I wrote out this morning. Should have you men folk work it out, Blacksmithing isn't that difficult,I am sure your tired of tying your huts together, nails are much more efficient.. and makings a wood steamer can improve your bows by 50 percent. Little bit of practice and some lamb intestines you can save you bullets for emergencies..
Be well and have a nice day..
Therian

Would then travel about two or three days away and set myself up a small place. Hunt and gather for just me. Once a week I might return to the colony mainly for the company and to learn about whats new. Bring back a clutch of chickens or a braise of rabbits maybe another deer.. Depending on whats around in Majority. Wouldn't mind hanging about now and Again but wouldn't want to be part of anyone elses laws..Who knows maybe I might find a gal interested in me.. Doesn't do to get the Breeding pool to muddy..Would offer up new designs as the weeks passed by see how they were doing.. Improve upon things where I could without getting absorbed into the community.. Would be more like the Hermit on the mountain.. And before someone says they will roll up on me blazing.. Understand that it won't be easy to catch me unprepared for your untimely visit. Figure if I survived this long I must be doing something right out on my own. That and my hunting partners ( A Lab named Dk and a Husky( Pup Now but will grow strong) Named Jerico Are not easy to sneak up on.)

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by CranialSponge

 

Besides, babies don't need a lot of resources (although pregnant and nursing women do), and by the time they are old enough to eat a lot, they are also old enough to help with chores, and forage and hunt, and have their own babies.

Yes, but foraging and hunting would have to spread out farther and farther away from the compound due to the immediate area of flora/fauna running out too fast, which in and of itself would cause a whole new set of problems.

It's wisest to keep a population growth rate on balance with the natural growth rate of nature.

Animals and plants wouldn't refresh fast enough to keep up with the growing population. We already see this problem in an industrialized society, nevermind one that's back to basics.

Just my $.02

Originally posted by CranialSponge

Well of course not silly, what were you thinking ?

Women are far more flexible than men, making them naturally better tree climbers.

See what I mean? there's just no escape! I'm an old guy, can't outrun 'em, can't out climb 'em - being an "old guy" is about the only defense I've got.

That's exactly why I'm stayin' outside the compound - cant figure out the strategy of the sexual politics, don't care to take a whoopin' from some guy that thought I was "eyeballin' his wimmin", and well, it's just plain safer to take yer chances with the bears, wildcats, and raiders and wildebeests out here!

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I'm thinking the "hunting parties" from a settled community like this should plan on about 3 days to a week out in the wild per hunter per per deer. That's more travel time than it is hunting time - round trip. You don't want to exhaust the resources closest to home, because you just don't know when travel will be impossibly or impossibly difficult or dangerous, and you'll NEED those closer resources.

better to leave them in place and hunt farther out to begin with.

Also, the agricultural aspect. it's most likely that the fields will be OUTSIDE the wire, unless you have a really huge compound and a really low population density inside it. Those external fields ae a weak point, defense wise. They can be robbed blind, or outright destroyed by looters. Burn the fields where the food comes from, keep the compound surrounded, watch everyone inside die, then just take what's left and move on.

It wouldn't be the first time that a siege starved the residents out, and their supply lines were cut.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by ThePublicEnemyNo1

Yes...I'm afraid it's just you

However, anyone that would be traveling with you (if you would even allow that) would be safe.

That would make them "crazy by proxy", wouldn't it? Heck, even I would probably be scared of anyone crazy enough to actually travel with me!

Who's gonna mess with a man who carries around a brush axe/machete? If I encountered you and saw that thing...I'd have to question what else you had up your sleeves

"Crazy" is an excellent defense mechanism. No one wants to mess with crazy folk - you never know what they might do next, and most people are afraid it might be "catching" anyhow.

Folks tend to leave "crazy" be, and go elsewhere.

P.S. - the brush axe and crazy gleam is just to hold the opponent's attention riveted, while the real dangers come into play!

edit on 2011/10/10 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)

Hey, well consider me crazy then because like the chic from The Book of Eli, I'm coming along, although I would have to insist that you wear sunglasses to protect me from your hypnotic gleam

reply to post by CranialSponge


You forget, my group is migratory. The big compound is doomed from the start, unless it is sparsely populated and used mostly as a decoy/ambush spot. My group won't be doing much agriculture, except for the way the Natives did it. We will plant complimentary vegetables and herbs on hillsides and bluffs and valleys, and then move on to our hunting and foraging grounds, then when the time is right, we will migrate back through and collect our bounty and move on. The Native Americans got up to 4x more bounty from their chaotic looking crops than the invading Europeans ever have. And the Natives did it without soil depletion or need for pesticides and fertilizers. Call it "intelligent foraging."

No agriculture for us, but we will know where the best foraging is, and we will know when to trip through there.

We will also mimic the Native Americans in our work/play ratio. 10-15 hours of work per week will be more than sufficient, the rest of the time can be spent in war games, practice, educating our young, and of course, making more young!!

Follow me to the promised land, LOL!

1. I have carpentry skills
2. i can hunt and fish
3. Im a good cook

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I thought your avatar looked familiar, from our previous discussions i would gladly let you work with me as a security officer. If even if you wanted to live one the outside of the compound it would be wise to have you on our pay roll so to say, even if just as an early warning system for incoming enemies or guest.


thank you good day/night depending on your location in this universe.

Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by CranialSponge

 

I'm thinking the "hunting parties" from a settled community like this should plan on about 3 days to a week out in the wild per hunter per per deer. That's more travel time than it is hunting time - round trip. You don't want to exhaust the resources closest to home, because you just don't know when travel will be impossibly or impossibly difficult or dangerous, and you'll NEED those closer resources.

better to leave them in place and hunt farther out to begin with.

Also, the agricultural aspect. it's most likely that the fields will be OUTSIDE the wire, unless you have a really huge compound and a really low population density inside it. Those external fields ae a weak point, defense wise. They can be robbed blind, or outright destroyed by looters. Burn the fields where the food comes from, keep the compound surrounded, watch everyone inside die, then just take what's left and move on.

It wouldn't be the first time that a siege starved the residents out, and their supply lines were cut.

Agreed.

The reality of long distance hunting though... you can still only carry back so much. So if you have a neverending growth population, that would mean having to send out even more hunting parties to keep up with demand. Unless you have horses or vehicles to handle the long distances and a means to carry back more than what would be humanly possible otherwise... this scenario can only be maintained for so long.

And that's why a small tightknit group of people, say 4-6, is way better than trying to maintain an entire "settlement" of people, attracting even more people, and thus resulting in a neverending growth population... not such a great idea in reality. Lives will be completely dependent on its natural surroundings, and if that can't be repeatedly maintained, the longevity of any compound is highly unlikely.

A small group can stay under the radar, can still work well with nature, would be low maintenance, and is in need of minimal supply. Better chance for longevity, IMO.

More people also means more drama.
Bleh.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by CranialSponge

 

You forget, my group is migratory. The big compound is doomed from the start, unless it is sparsely populated and used mostly as a decoy/ambush spot. My group won't be doing much agriculture, except for the way the Natives did it. We will plant complimentary vegetables and herbs on hillsides and bluffs and valleys, and then move on to our hunting and foraging grounds, then when the time is right, we will migrate back through and collect our bounty and move on. The Native Americans got up to 4x more bounty from their chaotic looking crops than the invading Europeans ever have. And the Natives did it without soil depletion or need for pesticides and fertilizers. Call it "intelligent foraging."

No agriculture for us, but we will know where the best foraging is, and we will know when to trip through there.

We will also mimic the Native Americans in our work/play ratio. 10-15 hours of work per week will be more than sufficient, the rest of the time can be spent in war games, practice, educating our young, and of course, making more young!!

Follow me to the promised land, LOL!

Ahh, migratory... a far better idea.

And I agree, with a smaller group of people agriculture is not really necessary, except at a minimum for some of our favourite basic goodies. The native americans definately had the right idea. Let's face it, we white folks aren't exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer when it comes to surviving WITH nature.



A fenced in compound ? Not only would they be spending most of their time defending their piece of turf, they'd outgrow themselves in no time. It would be absolutely imperative for smart leadership in order to have any chance at longevity under those circumstances.