Occupy Freemasonry

Originally posted by partycrasher
there are those who base their "females are less than" idealogy on middle eastern influences that say a female brought sin into the world, this stands unproven like most religions therefore it is most likely a myth, an allegory, not an actual historical event.

Nowhere in Masonry do we say females are inferior.

Originally posted by partycrasher
once again the masons here are dodging, i have not forgotten about masonic appendent body activities and i do not want the masons to think that any other nons have forgot about those either.

I haven't either: the CMMRF funds research at Indiana Center for Vascular Biology and Medicine (ICVBM), the KTEF has funded millions to occular research (and in the past surgeries/procedures), and the RARA has been funding research into auditory problems and their connection to both ADD and Autism.

Originally posted by partycrasher
as for masons patting themselves on the back over advances made as result of their opposition to the vatican empire.....the masses will occasionally get some benefits as the two dark entities try to show each other up.

I didn't realize we were at odds with the Vatican? I know they disagreed with us, but we've allowed Catholics to join.

Originally posted by partycrasher
i do not think the superiors bother posting on this website or reading anything on it for that matter.

Well most of the really higher ups barely know how to use a computer so I wouldn't expect to see them on here.

Originally posted by partycrasher
they may be concerned about actual physical events like arab spring and other occupy movements especially if they occur "close to home".

Except our higher ups wouldn't be anymore concerned with occupy movements than any other citizen. I doubt they worry about you "occupying" Freemasonry as its a fruitless endeavor as you really can't protest us nor occupy our property, I mean you'd be a bigger menace to the local leaders than you would at any state (or national for the appendant bodies) leader.

Originally posted by partycrasher
all the posters and readers on this website including myself are sheep/cattle.

You may be. At times I may have to follow, but I'm human with a functioning brain and not blind.

Originally posted by partycrasher
their wealth destroyed/redistributed.

I'm personally against socialism and communism.

This scandal became public, and ultimately led to over 45,000 out of 50,000 total Masons in the United States “disfellowshipping” and leaving the Order.Over two thousand lodges completely shut down – including virtually every lodge in the Northern states – within less than a decade.

This is an incredibly important moment in American history. It all happened roughly 180 years ago. I never heard a word about it in the Rockefeller-financed American public educational system.

While researching defeating the greatest cover up of all time...I find it interesting to stumble across this info. Apparently Fremasonry has been Occupied in the past....

Source

reply to post by relocator

It wasn't really Occupied and it was a different time so it is not really comparable.

lol masons when caught with their pants down....always deferring, always denying.......

reply to post by partycrasher

We defend, but you fabricate.

reply to post by relocator

However, in 1826, a man named Captain William Morgan

The first of his manifold lies. There is absolutely zero record of a Captain William Morgan on military rolls in Virginia (his state of residence at the time of the war in which he claimed to reach the rank).

Morgan’s book was entitled Illustrations of Masonry by one of the Fraternity Who has devoted Thirty Years to the Subject.

Which happened to be a complete lie; Morgan had blackmailed a Mason into vouching for him within Wells Lodge in Batavia, and "transferred" there from a lodge that never existed. The years Morgan "devoted" to the fraternity were around two.

Morgan was indeed kidnapped and killed by fellow Masons

There are two known facts about the eventual fate of William Morgan: that he was bailed out of jail by three Masons, and that the body claimed to be his was positively identified as someone else. Anything else is speculation.

Over two thousand lodges completely shut down – including virtually every lodge in the Northern states – within less than a decade.

A miraculous occurrence considering that Freemasonry's most active state in the region, New York, recorded 227 lodges shortly after Morgan's disappearance.

Batavia, New York erected the William Morgan Pillar in his honor on September 13, 1882

The monument was not erected by the city, but by a like-minded religious group. This is an extremely misleading statement.

As you can now see, the control of the media and elected government by a secretive group of powerful individuals was well-known in the early 1800s.

He bases this statement on an 1869 polemic. I could just as easily say the government being run by lizard people was "well-known" in the 1990s based on the works of David Icke.

Henry L. Valance confessed in 1848 that Morgan was murdered by drowning. Rocks were tied to a rope around his waist. The total weight of the rocks was greater than his own body.

Morgan was then dumped into the Niagara River after crying and pleading with his captors for his life. This obvious Masonic murder ultimately caused the whole story to break open.

This "confession" was published one year after Valance's death; its description of the events place Morgan's time of death well before the last confirmed sighting of him. It also contradicts the other two "confessions" Finney saw fit to reproduce.

[The Masons] also kidnapped Mr. Miller, the publisher; but the citizens of Batavia, finding it out, pursued the kidnappers, and finally rescued him.

There is no record of this occurrence.

The courts of justice found themselves entirely unable to make any headway against the wide-spread conspiracy that was formed among Masons in respect to this matter.

These are matters of record. It was found that they could do nothing with the courts, with the sheriffs, with the witnesses, or with the jurors; and all their efforts were for a time entirely impotent.

If this is true, and a grand Masonic conspiracy protected Morgan's murderers, then what of the three Masons convicted for his abduction? It's hard to believe a conspiracy that is both thorough and lazy.

I believe that about two thousand lodges, as a consequence of these revelations, were suspended.

Despite the portion in bold, this is quoted as fact by the author of the article.

He says that, out of a little more than fifty thousand Masons in the United States at that time, forty-five thousand turned their backs upon the lodge to enter the lodge no more.

Once again, another statement treated as fact despite Finney's unwillingness to name his source.

But it was found that it had taken so deep a root that in all New England there was scarcely a newspaper in which the death of William Morgan, and the circumstances connected therewith, could be published.

I find it hard to believe Finney genuinely believed this. Thurlow Weed, godfather of the Anti-Masonic Party, was himself a newspaper editor; far from gagged, the medium became the source of the most salacious of rumors surrounding the case, including the discovery of Morgan's "corpse" (a rumor Thurlow Weed himself was lukewarm about accepting).

All Masons above the third, or Master’s degree, are sworn to keep inviolate the secrets of a brother, murder and treason excepted, up to the seventh, or Royal Arch degree.

While "murder and treason" are the only crimes specifically delineated in older portions of the Master Mason's obligation, the passage does not refer to crime as much as confidential matter; this is a red herring.

More to come...

reply to post by relocator

Free Masonry is a distinct, peculiar, independent government. It acknowledges no allegiance to civil government, nor alliance with it.

Blatantly false. The Entered Apprentice is obligated to good citizenship, and mention is made of the principle in every following degree.

It has departments of its own, titles of its own, officers of its own, laws of its own, revenues of its own, oaths of its own, penalties of its own, sympathies of its own, and purposes of its own.

As does every non-governmental organization in the world.

After this Presidential defeat in 1832, the Anti-Masonic Party merged with the Whig Party. I heard about the Whigs briefly in grade school, but had no idea of the suppressed history behind them.

What he doesn't know isn't someone else's fault.

(As an aside, the Anti-Masonic Party merged with the Whig Party because it was politically advantageous to do so. One would think this would be out of character for an organization against the consolidation of power.)

Now, Masons tell me they are strictly forbidden from reading this [Duncan's Ritual] or other books that expose the inner workings of the Order.

Anyone still wondering whether truth or rhetorical advantage is the priority of the author is invited to an ATS search on "Duncan's Ritual" and search the replies of Masons to threads discussing it. One finds a very different reality than that of the author.

Let's not forget that the higher degrees of Freemasonry had only been created in the late 1760s.

Actually, the Scottish Rite dates to at least 1744, albeit not in the organized fashion we know today.

In a seeming act of Divine Intervention, lightning struck a courier who was riding to the meeting on horseback, carrying the full 25-point strategy in his inside jacket pocket. He was killed instantly.

The authorities went through all the courier’s belongings and were shocked to find this document. All 25 points are published, in full, on various websites, such as this one.

Exactly zero of them establish its authenticity any more than the author does.

BAVARIAN GOVERNMENT RAIDS THE ORDER AND SEIZES DOCUMENTS

The author has nothing but praise for the actions under this subheading. It's quite odd that the same gentleman who believes a democratic government is the secret front for an autocratic shadow entity grants so much good faith to a monarchy with a human and civil rights record decidedly less than rosy.

Guiseppe Mazzini was the head of the highest Italian lodge, the Alta Vendita, at this time.

The Alta Vendita was not a lodge but a document, and one of the Carbonari, who were not Masonic (neither was Mazzini).

THE PALLADIAN RITE

This subheading is based entirely on the Taxil hoax. Too much has been written too well for any comment but a sincere invitation to Google this phrase.

Pike implies that anyone who is not “feeble, sensual or selfish” may be able to experience the “good” aspect of the Luciferian force.

Actually, Pike's "good Luciferian force" is the invention of the author. Pike never actually spoke of it.

Pike finalized the agreement with Mazzini that led to the consolidation of all Masonic groups in Europe and the United States.

This theory is based upon a letter Illuminati author (and anti-Mason) Terry Melanson has sourced to the Taxil hoax.

This all-important quote can be found in A.C. De La Rive’s book, La Femme et l’Enfant dans la Franc-Maconnerie Universelle

A book for which de la Rive issued a full and unconditional retraction following Taxil's confession.

Everything I’ve shared with you is documented, historical fact.

As I have shown, the entire final third of his theory is based upon a self-confessed hoax, and significant sections of the first third, while maintained by their authors, contradict the "documented, historical fact" the author claims for himself.

I have had personal interaction with a woman named Svali, who claims to have been a mid-level member of the modern-day Illuminati – the living inheritors of this plan – up until she escaped in the early 1990s.

She also claimed that the greatest depression the world has ever seen would occur sometime in the previous decade. She also claimed her grandmother was "president of the Eastern Star in Pittsburgh", a title that doesn't exist in the OES either for the region or the office she claims. She also claims that the 32nd degree begins the initiation into the Illuminati, apparently unaware that every member of the Scottish Rite automatically attains this degree.

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reply to post by relocator

I’ve tried to avoid the “ritual abuse” discussions as much as possible in these excerpts, so as to protect you from having to read about these troubling subjects unless you decide to get more involved.

Perhaps he should have avoided them because no credible cases have been found in the three decades since the inception of the ritual abuse panic.

Three replies' worth of factual errors, misleading innuendo and poor scholarship. The real tragedy is, those inclined to believe it probably don't care.

I greatly appreciate all your hardwork replying.

My neighbor joined in his thirties. He's wife's Father was a Mason and so he decided to join. He's been in 50 years and showed me his stuff. My husband and I find this old couple very nice and enjoy spending time listening to their stories as well as helping them take care of there yard. My husband's Father was a Mason.

I'm not prejudice just very curious about there history and there true intenions. There is so much corruption in the world today. Just trying to figure out if they are really Grandma or the Wolf.

Originally posted by relocator
I'm not prejudice just very curious about there history and there true intenions. There is so much corruption in the world today. Just trying to figure out if they are really Grandma or the Wolf.

I also enjoy the company of the senior members, they have the best stories. Come to think of it, that was how I ended up joining! I used to visit an old man in a retirement home who I would discuss currents events and philosophy, I noticed that he had a very interesting ring (PGM) and I asked about it.

We are neither the Grandmother nor the Wolf, we are the Woodsman.

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Okie dokie....

WARNING: If you see this man, do not approach.
Deep in the woods surrounding Tulleys Farm The Woodsman has turned his back on civilization. Described by the few that have encountered him and survived as a “Chainsaw weilding giant” The Woodsman should be considered extremely dangerous and avoided at all costs. If you find yourself cornered by The Woodsman do not try to talk your way to safety, this only infuriates him more. Those that have survived played dead until The Woodsman had left them alone.
REMEMBER, IF YOU HEAR A CHAINSAW BEHIND YOU, DON’T LOOK BACK OR THE LAST THING YOU SEE WILL BE THE WOODSMAN.

wow so how come so much "DIRT" related to masons and masonry that causes the masons and masonry to be so much in denial.. I mean it's a LOT OF DIRT. I wonder if any other group has so much dirt, so many skeletons that causes them to always be on the defense ??? anyway my masonic relatives include grandpa, greatgrandpa, uncle, and 2 great uncles, cousins and 2nd cousins. they also belong to the grange, moose, elks, owls, caravan. So why does the family lol mention things in idle chat that the masons on here are always denying...someone is lying.

reply to post by partycrasher

The amount of heap that your ilk has pushed on the world doesn't constitute "denial" on our part. There is a difference between defense and denial, and fact/experience is on our side. The "dirt" has been piled up by your ilk and it is nothing more than lies.

The skeletons, the "dirt", are usually fabrications by anti-Masons such as the Taxil Hoax and so on. The problem is you see information on the net and it supports your fascist ideals so you jump on board. Repeating a lie as you do doesn't mean its true.

I could care less about your Masonic relatives, it doesn't make you an expert. Hell, I've seen ex-Masons who spewed out false information and lies. I've also talked to someone who said, "Well, my Grandfather was a 20° Grand Master". My dad, several uncles, grandfather, sister, and countless cousins are law enforcement officers, but that doesn't make me an expert in criminal justice or law enforcement. Plus there is no way to prove anyone you mentioned was a Mason nor can we corroborate the "things you've heard".

Originally posted by partycrasher
...someone is lying.

BINGO!

I suggest you ask the multitudes of family members who are masons to help to separate the lies from truth. After all, you surely won't believe any of us.

So we have a mason on here who states " that he has heard masons lie before" so.....how do we know that these masons who post here on ATS ever tell the truth? perhaps the masons who are referred to as liars know more about masonry than others who post here? perhaps the masons who post here are programmed to be pr masons and the "other" details have been erased from their minds thru some secret technique a la ritual abuse, monarch training, yage, barley water or something else that put these pr masons into a highly suggestive state.

reply to post by partycrasher

You presume too much.

how do we know that these masons who post here on ATS ever tell the truth?

Because it is corroborated by first hand experience.

perhaps the masons who are referred to as liars know more about masonry than others who post here?

How do you know this?

perhaps the masons who post here are programmed to be pr masons and the "other" details have been erased from their minds thru some secret technique a la ritual abuse, monarch training, yage, barley water or something else that put these pr masons into a highly suggestive state.

HA! I, as the others did, came here of our own volition. It isn't like this is my one and only forum I post on nor was this my first. Everybody goes through the same rituals & ceremonies. There is no "monarch training". Nor do we use hallucinogens or mind altering substances to coerce or force our members to do the bidding of the Fraternity.

You put to much stock into the belief the Masonic fraternity has this far reaching and over abundant control of the members and their daily lives. You're trying to paint us as a cult like the Branch Davidians or Jim Jones, but it logically can't be done.

reply to post by partycrasher

So we have a mason on here who states " that he has heard masons lie before" so.....how do we know that these masons who post here on ATS ever tell the truth?

If someone told you they had never lied before, well, then, they'd be lying wouldn't they!?!?

Sure, I've heard everybody stretch the truth, or avoid a question, or forget to give all the damaging details to protect someone's feelings. We've all lied one way or another. Masons are no different.

reply to post by KSigMason


Actually Ksig, you decide your level of involvement....in the world! Some people's business is suppressing information while others expose that information. Dont hate the player, hate the game son!

reply to post by EddieBee


And which do you suppose the Masons are? Because, I sure as hell spend about 100x more of my time spreading information, counseling, consoling, educating, instructing, participating, and whatever other -ing verbs you can think of than I do keeping secrets. In fact, I'm terrible at keeping secrets, and even my correspondence at work has to run through one of my subordinates to be sanitized because I often give away far more than I should.

So, I can't remember the last time, if there ever has been a time, where I actually had to keep a Masonic secret.

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." Matthew 7:7, and a staple in Masonry.

reply to post by EddieBee

I don't care what role you think you should have. Your want, your role, does not supersede my rights (particularly my right to privacy, private property, and assembly). You sound like a "means justify the ends" kind of guy where anything goes as long as your agenda is attained, that is fascist.