US troops aid Mexico in drug war

US troops aid Mexico in drug war

www.globalpost.com

The US doesn't need to invade — it's already there.
one of many by Mexico’s marines — was helped largely by U.S.-supplied equipment and training with the U.S. Northern Command in Colorado.
The U.S. has also supplied Mexico with state-of-the-art military hardware, including Black Hawk helicopters and surveillance drones.

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In recent weeks, small numbers of C.I.A. operatives and American civilian military employees have been posted at a Mexican military base, where, for the first time, security officials from both countries work side by side in collecting information about drug cartels and helping plan operations.

Guys this is heating up quickly....
for more info on what the US plans for Mexico go read this older thread of mine
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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reply to post by GrandpaDave


If you ask me we need to be more involved. Until there is zero drugs coming across that boarder or being supplied from mexico, we fight the good fight and keep those SOBs out.

reply to post by GrandpaDave


So let me do a quick count of current known US "engagements" in 2011:

1. Iraq (still there)
2. Afghanistan (still fighting)
3. Gulf of Aden (patrol and will engage pirates)
4. War on Drugs (Columbia)
5. Mexico (Boarder/Drugs conflict)

Did I miss any?

This is not surprising, and in my gut I think the US should be more involved, as Mexico has a much more direct affect on the US, and a significant part of the US populace is Christian Mexicans. Plus, these Mexican gangs sound just as ruthless, if not more, than the Arab "terrorists."

reply to post by kellynap43


So you don't believe any agency of the US government is profiting from this war?

50 Years of CIA Drug Traffiking

Evidence of CIA Drug Trafficking

Former federal agent Rodney Stich and his coalition of other insiders have been gathering information on CIA drug trafficking for decades. He first encountered these activities while he was an airline captain flying for Japan Airlines out of Tokyo and also out of Beirut, Baghdad and other Middle East locations in the early 1950s. While talking to other pilots and in normal pilot-to-pilot conversations, many pilots described to him that they were flying for CIA-related operations and airlines and hauling drugs. They made no big deal out of it; it was simply another job for which pilots were increasingly involved. These pilots included those who flew for Air America, Civil Air Transport, and other covert CIA operations.

Over the next four decades Stich continued to receive information about the CIA drug trafficking from pilots who actually flew the drugs. Some of these pilots were from covert CIA airlines including Air America, and some of them came to work for the same airline that he worked for. These pilots had no agenda or reason to fabricate these comments to their fellow pilots. They were speaking the truth.

During the past ten years Stich developed many sources in the CIA and DEA who had direct knowledge of the CIA drug trafficking. He learned that it wasn't only the CIA involved in these criminal activities. The drug trafficking included the CIA, DEA, the military, the State Department, the White House's National Security Council, among others. Thousands of hours of often deposition-like questioning was involved.

reply to post by Jason88


well to give you a firm date

According to the March 25, 2009 White House document establishing the OBI, the office is also responsible for overseeing the use of resources provided by Washington to Calderon to battle narcotics trafficking, especially through the Merida Initiative of 2008 — a cooperative effort of Mexico, Central America, and the United States to combat drug trafficking, organized crime, and money laundering.



The OBI intelligence center was announced August 21. The nondescript building headquarters, near the U.S. embassy in Mexico City, houses offices of the CIA, FBI, and Departments of Justice (DEA and BATF), Treasury, and Homeland Security. It is defined by intelligence services as a “soft-target area” — an undefended potential target.

in other words we've been in Mexico since 2008
Link to US Spy Hive Story


Edit to add... and you mentioned Arab Terriosts...

Islamic terrorist groups are setting up shop in Mexico and forming alarming ties with the country's brutal drug cartels, according to a 2010 internal memo from the Tucson Police Department.

The memo, leaked by the hacker group LulzSec as part of its Arizona Department of Public Safety hack, warns that Hezbollah has established operations — and a large arms stockpile — in Mexico.

Link to that story

reply to post by GrandpaDave


OK. Thanks for the info. So, what do you think? Could this be a precursor to US forces outright getting involved? Since special operation consultants are there now, could special operations combat troops join the Mexican government? Something else maybe?

Edit. Just saw your edit. That sounds like a perfect reason to justify involvement to the American people.

reply to post by GrandpaDave

Now the Mexican Army can smuggle many more drugs with that nice Blackhawk Helicopter.

reply to post by Jason88


Well with the activation of NORCOM... Mexico has been declared the southern security zone of U.S. Northern Command in Colorado.... AKA NORCOM...or in other words the US is now in command of the Mexican Military...

what bugs me about all this is Canada signed all these same agreements too... And if they become the northern security zone... that puts us one step closer to this "North American Union" where we become one big country instead of three

Glad we have the excess money to throw at a "war" that has zero chance of success. After all, a quarter century of failure with this "war" isn't any kind of indication of how futile and wasteful this is... is it?

Somebody should ask the US troops there how they feel about the ATF arming the cartels.

Maybe it gives them a sense of pride to be shot at with US guns?

I think that it's time to legalize drugs.

That would break the financial back of the drug cartels. Drugs are essentially worthless. They cost little to produce. The only thing that gives them value is that they are illegal.

You could spend about 1/4 of what you spend on law enforcement and put that into drug rehab so all drug users could have free rehab.

Prohibition didn't work. The war on drugs isn't working either. It has just created the drug cartels and it also fuels the violence in Afghanistan through the poppy trade.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Ask yourself... was it only guns????
I mean come on... where did they get all those rocket launchers and grenades from....

Walmart...???

Originally posted by GrandpaDave
reply to post by Jason88

 

Well with the activation of NORCOM... Mexico has been declared the southern security zone of U.S. Northern Command in Colorado.... AKA NORCOM...or in other words the US is now in command of the Mexican Military...

what bugs me about all this is Canada signed all these same agreements too... And if they become the northern security zone... that puts us one step closer to this "North American Union" where we become one big country instead of three

No kidding. That should be the headline, "US Now in Command of Mexican Military"

I don't know what to say other than these drug cartels fight as hard, or harder, than any other force out there, including Al Qaeda. And US forces have a ton of Mexican nationals and US nationals of Mexican descent in the ranks - how the heck can commanders know who playing by US rules or who is bought off by drug cartels?

If true, in my mind, this is just about the worst operation the US could get involved in - so many security issues in the mix.

reply to post by Wildbob77


It's not just drugs...

ARROYO MORENO, Mexico— Mexico's drug cartels are getting into the oil business, tapping into underground pipelines and siphoning tons of crude oil and gasoline, some of which is sold in the USA, law enforcement officials say.

The stolen fuel has created a huge income stream, as much as $715 million a year, which cartels can use to buy weapons, bribe officials and bankroll their bloody battle against the Mexican government, according to the Mexican attorney general's office.

Link to that story

or this story
Human trafficking second only to drugs in Mexico it is a $15 billion- to $20 billion-a-year business... cuting them out of the drug trade would do little so stop them

reply to post by GrandpaDave


Grenades for sure. www.abovetopsecret.com...

Rocket launchers? No reason to doubt it.

reply to post by GrandpaDave


OK, so it is beginning.

Thanks Obama.
Another theater of war for my military brothers and sisters to go off to.

I think we should just buy Mexico and flip it.

Or keep it, if we keep it then we can cut the size of that wall down to a few miles, and then we can get the Panama Canal, we built it.

I will star and flag this thread, but as it gives me a horrible sinking feeling, I may not make much of a contribution.

God help those kids who have signed up to any of the Branches of Military right now.

This is the gates of hell being unleashed upon the US citizens and they have no idea how dangerous this decision is.

This is not new at all, hell we where involved in the killing of Pablo Escobar in 93...