Where's MY invitation?

reply to post by neo96


Really?

I don't know what goes on behind closed doors in DC, but I know in my state. We had a some great legislation to end the Pill Mills in Florida. Somewhere along the way, some legislator was convinced to add an exemption for any "wholly-owned corporation with over $500M in assets."

Now, what good does that do for the population or the enforcement process? Answer=nil. All it does is make doing business easier for the large corp and harder for the little mom and pop, because now they have added expense, added inspections, and tougher penalties, but the big corp operates outside regulation. Why? Because someone paid for the exemption.

It happens all the time, don't be naive. The politicians don't get into office without major financing, and that financing comes with expectations.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by beezzer

 

Yes.

We change them all.

Politicians, Bankers, Corporations, PAC's., etc. We change everything, but we have to start somewhere.

Tea Partiers started with changing politicians. Even had some success, but then got railroaded into the GOP. Now the OWS folks are gaining some momentum with this protest. Good for them! I'll take the push wherever I can get it, and hopefully we collectively get the ball rolling at some point.

Protesting the bankers won't stop them.
Why should it?
Why would they stop? Because some people marched? 10? 10 million, it doesn't matter. The LAWS need to change. The people that abuse them could care less.

reply to post by beezzer


It worked pretty well in Libya.

Do you have a better suggestion? Can you afford to hire a Bill Writer? A lobbyist? Do you plan to run for office, and if you get elected, how will you oppose your own party's agenda? Do you think you can get any traction as an Independent? How will you finance your campaign? However you finance your campaign, will you be able to resist their influence when they ask you to return their favor? Is your family on board with you making a martyr of yourself and not seeing them all that often, and playing the complicated political game that could get you arrested or killed?

I don't care who protests or to what end, but I'm happy there is some momentum.

If you have a better solution, I'm all ears.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by beezzer

 

Yes.

We change them all.

Politicians, Bankers, Corporations, PAC's., etc. We change everything, but we have to start somewhere.

Tea Partiers started with changing politicians. Even had some success, but then got railroaded into the GOP. Now the OWS folks are gaining some momentum with this protest. Good for them! I'll take the push wherever I can get it, and hopefully we collectively get the ball rolling at some point.

Protesting the bankers won't stop them.
Why should it?
Why would they stop? Because some people marched? 10? 10 million, it doesn't matter. The LAWS need to change. The people that abuse them could care less.

It comes down to the same idea as when you call a business with an issue. The first 3 levels can't make it right. So, what do you do. You go to who is in charge.
In this case, it is the Politicians, as they create the laws.

All the bank is going to do is reply "Well, here is the laws, and we are following them".
Not only that, when the bank gets a hit financially, they go to the same Govt and get a bail out.

The common problem, more times then anything else is the Govt.

reply to post by getreadyalready


see i am not going to sit here and blame someone else instead of those people who are duely elected to write and enforce those laws.

thats the way this country works the congress and potus write and sign those laws into existence and every single legislation hurts people instead of helping them.

the sole function of the us government now is to write laws all day long and keep doing and doing it for years and they have consequences.

any law written for the "good" of the masses has always screwed other people in the process in my opinion we do not need more of the same.

there is only one way to accomplish the goals of ows more sanctions.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by beezzer

 

It worked pretty well in Libya.

Do you have a better suggestion? Can you afford to hire a Bill Writer? A lobbyist? Do you plan to run for office, and if you get elected, how will you oppose your own party's agenda? Do you think you can get any traction as an Independent? How will you finance your campaign? However you finance your campaign, will you be able to resist their influence when they ask you to return their favor? Is your family on board with you making a martyr of yourself and not seeing them all that often, and playing the complicated political game that could get you arrested or killed?

I don't care who protests or to what end, but I'm happy there is some momentum.

If you have a better solution, I'm all ears.

Ok, I guess be happy with a headless pissed of chicken.

That is what this amounts to.

But, on with the bandwagon of "At Least it's something".

reply to post by neo96


Agreed. There is an issue with politicians thinking they need to write more and more laws. What about just removing some old laws? What about just slightly tweaking the existing laws? What about getting out of DC and getting into their real districts and seeing what their constituents want instead of just listening to lobbyists.

I am friends with a handful of lobbyists, and I debate them constantly! When we get on the subject of politics our friendships suffer greatly!! It is difficult to even discuss less legislation with a lobbyist. More laws, more government, more regulation, more control. That is the agenda of the existing government, and has been for 50 years or more.

How do you propose to change that? I thought the Tea Party had a decent start, but half their candidates were indoctrinated upon arrival to DC and the other half are having a problem with pride and ego, and they refuse to see the Democrats have some decent ideas too. How do we change it?

reply to post by getreadyalready
As a matter of fact, I do.
It's called TheDiogenesGroup.com.

A think-tank looking for honest people with integrity. We find them, support them, endorse them. GOP, Lib, Indy, Green, whenever we find a good and honest person willing to do the right thing, regardless, TheDiogenesGroup will endorse them.

The site should be up in a few days.

I sure hope everyone in NY, and some others are ready for a potential trip down Marshall Law Avenue.

As it grows, the City and County Govt will look to the State for help. This bringing the National Guard. This is getting ripe for Fed Govt involvement.


Just saying. When it happens, please don't whine and cry.

It is just a big party with nobody agreeing on what the message is, or what they are protesting. They are just the bitter poor lashing out at the economy. There is no objective, just some yelling.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

As a matter of fact, I do.
It's called TheDiogenesGroup.com.

A think-tank looking for honest people with integrity. We find them, support them, endorse them. GOP, Lib, Indy, Green, whenever we find a good and honest person willing to do the right thing, regardless, TheDiogenesGroup will endorse them.

The site should be up in a few days.

Outstanding!

PM me when it is up and running. I may be able to help.

The Tea Party here in my town did something similar and endorsed some candidates, recruited some candidates, had some success and some failure, but it was effective in 2010, and it is still active, but the nationwide press is hurting it drastically.

reply to post by getreadyalready


the only way to exact real change in my humble opinion is take it to washington a smaller less powerful not too big to fail entity is whats needed most.

as it stands right now government is too big to fail and it is that reason that the people business and their livelihoods are suffering.

we need to restore this country to what made it one of the most outstanding places to live in the world we dont need to be like other countries we need a return to the values that made us what we were and what we are no longer.

shrink the beast of goverment being the master and the people the slaves.

yeah i dont talk poltics with friends i save that for ats fathers a democrat mothers a republican and you know what?

they both agree with me on alot of issues we face today.

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

As a matter of fact, I do.
It's called TheDiogenesGroup.com.

A think-tank looking for honest people with integrity. We find them, support them, endorse them. GOP, Lib, Indy, Green, whenever we find a good and honest person willing to do the right thing, regardless, TheDiogenesGroup will endorse them.

The site should be up in a few days.

Outstanding!

PM me when it is up and running. I may be able to help.

The Tea Party here in my town did something similar and endorsed some candidates, recruited some candidates, had some success and some failure, but it was effective in 2010, and it is still active, but the nationwide press is hurting it drastically.

Thanks. Settling a host for it now. Appreciate any help.

There are those of us willing to do more than just talk/march.

reply to post by neo96


My father thought he was a Democrat too, until I showed him that most of his beliefs are Republican beliefs, but then I had to also show him that the Republican actions do not match the Republican beliefs, and he is finally now opening up to the Tea Party and Ron Paul a little bit. He isn't on board yet, but he isn't a declared Democrat any longer, LOL!

I work for a non-profit organization, and they are staunchly Obama Democrats, and they defend him vigorously. It is concerning to me, because these folks are pretty rich and influential, and they are involved in a lot of politics in this state and on the national level. Scary stuff they spout with no real understanding of the whole picture.

I do what I can, but I am an employee there, so I don't rock the boat too much.

The fake two-party system is the problem. We need a new party to emerge that actually has opposing views to the status quo. That would be a start.

Originally posted by aching_knuckles
reply to post by beezzer

 

Are they paying you and Neo96 overtime during this crisis?

Should I call you a Union Shill? For real, I am so tired of people calling the people that don't agree with them paid disinformants. If you can't open your eyes wide enough to recognize that some people agree with Occupy and others do not, then you aren't going to make a very good visionary.

It is also very poor persuasion to someone who doesn't agree with you that it must be because they are paid to do so. If that is the best that Occupy, or any other movement, has at its disposal it will be over before Halloween.

None of these OWS, Tea Parties,Ron Paul, writing your congressman, vote the bums out, shenanigans will accomplish anything. These are mere controlled opposition. Stirred up on purpose, the old divide and conquer trick, to keep the people squabbling about things that don't matter. To quote Mao: "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun". They will not respond to anything but force. They are forcing their will on everyone else.

I'm going to start a protest against people who sell petrochemical equipment to Iran, anyone want to come?
Link:
www.drudge.com...

reply to post by beezzer

This, I believe, captures the essence of what we all face....we are all looking for the "ground zero" of these issues...our disenfranchisement, our inability to experience FREEDOM, financial, personal, emotional ètc...whatever, fill in the blank, that makes us yearn for a better way. But, the banker is a guy who goes home to his wife and talks at dinner about what he has to do to hold onto his job so he can pay for his kids college and health insurance...dont we all get it? Our own survival depends on this structure, as it exists right now, and we have nothing better to supplant it, nor any way to really identify what truly got us here, and therefore, no way to accuse the responsible party to end this cycle, which means we repeat it ad nauseum because of the above.... My point is, what was said before, be careful what you wish for, until you know what the different wish would be.....

LOL - Beezzer gets an invitation in his email to join in the OWS movement, the only such invitation I have seen, so far, and then goes and makes an entire thread about how he has NOT been invited and even titles it "Where's MY invitation?"...

You just gave me the best laugh of my night!!

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by aching_knuckles
reply to post by beezzer

 

Are they paying you and Neo96 overtime during this crisis?

PPHHEEWW.
And I thought I was going to be found out as well.

Yeah, sorry but OWS bunch have lost all credibility once KOS, Sorros, Moveon and all the rest got involved, or at least broadcast their involvement.

I'm happy that I wasn't invited to this subversive nefarious OWS fiasco. SEIU, MoveOn, Sorros, KOS and the New Black Panthers (did I mention the TSA, ATF and holders cronies) all violate the Constitution and deplore our Bill of Rights. Star 4 U.
SnF for the wise rabbit.
Come November, we are going to vote them all out of office, and investigate the rest.