Israel: Taking & not giving since 1948. Enough is enough allready!!

I as am American taxpayer,well I used to be. Sort of stopped a few years ago. Have lived with my countries relationship with Israel for 48 years. All I can see and all I have ever seen is a one sided relationship. We give, they take.

Our country see's fit to send Israel 103 billion dollars a year in aid. With all the money the USA spends on war, weapons, security, and aid to other coutries, We can still see to it that Israel gets their 103 billion.

Even when our infrastructure crumbles around us, we still write that check to Israel. When our schools systems are dieing a slow death & our students fall further and further behind other countries. We write that check.

We are on the verge of collapse, have been for a while, you all know this fact. Yet we still write that check. We borrow trillions from China to finance our occupations , yet we still write that check to Israel 103 billion....

Now i find that we also Guarantee Israel Oil in the event of energy crisis. SAY WHAT!!!! Yes that's right. we are to supply Israel oil, from our own reserves in the event of energy crisis. And we have guaranteed it' delivery.
That's correct. We give them the oil, then we foot the bill to delivery it to them. Sorry for the copy & paste.




Did you know that by law the US guarantees israel's oil supply - no matter what?



...even if it causes US a DOMESTIC SHORTAGE???

I didn't.


Under a 1975 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) the USA guaranteed all Israel's oil needs in the event of a crisis. This Memorandum of Understanding is quietly renewed every five years. It commits U.S. taxpayers to maintain a strategic U.S. reserve for Israel, equivalent to $3 billion in 2002 dollars. Special legislation was enacted to exempt Israel from restrictions on oil exports from the USA. Moreover, the U.S. government agreed to divert oil from the USA, even if this causes domestic shortages. The U.S. government also guaranteed delivery of oil in U.S. tankers if commercial shippers become unable or unwilling to carry oil from the USA to Israel.

I wonder which israel-first bastard signed this memorandum . . .


Memorandum of Agreement between the Governments of the United States of America and Israel - Oil, March 26, 1979

The oil supply arrangement of September 1, 1975, between the Governments of the United States and Israel, annexed hereto, remains in effect. A memorandum of agreement shall be agreed upon and concluded to provide an oil supply arrangement for a total of 15 years, including the 5 years provided in the September 1, 1975 arrangement.

The memorandum of agreement, including the commencement of this arrangement and pricing provisions, will be mutually agreed upon by the parties within sixty days following the entry into force of the Treaty of Peace between Egypt and Israel.

It is the intention of the parties that prices paid by Israel for oil provided by the United States hereunder shall be comparable to world market prices current at the time of transfer, and that in any event the United States will be reimbursed by Israel for the costs incurred by the United States in providing oil to Israel hereunder.

Experts provided for in the September 1, 1975 arrangement will meet on request to discuss matters arising under this relationship.

The United States administration undertakes to seek promptly additional statutory authorization that may be necessary for full implementation of this arrangement.

M. Dayan
For the Government of Israel

Cyrus R. Vance [at the time, Secretary of State]
For the Government of the United States

Annex to the Memorandum of Agreement concerning 0il

ANNEX

Israel will make its own independent arrangements for oil supply to meet its requirements through normal procedures. In the event Israel is unable to secure its needs in this way, the United States Government, upon notification of this fact by the Government of Israel, will act as follows for five years, at the end of which period either side can terminate this arrangement on one-year's notice.

(a) If the oil Israel needs to meet all its normal requirements for domestic consumption is unavailable for purchase in circumstances where no quantitative restrictions exist on the ability of the United States to procure oil to meet its normal requirements, the United States Government will promptly make oil available for purchase by Israel to meet all of the aforementioned normal requirements of Israel. If Israel is unable to secure the necessary means to transport such oil to Israel, the United States Government will make every effort to help Israel secure the necessary means of transport.

(b) If the oil Israel needs to meet all of its normal requirements for domestic consumption is unavailable for purchase in circumstances where quantitative restrictions through embargo or otherwise also prevent the United States from procuring oil to meet its normal requirements, the United States Government will promptly make oil available for purchase by Israel in accordance with the International Energy Agency conservation and allocation formula, as applied by the United States Government, in order to meet Israel's essential requirements. If Israel is unable to secure the necessary means to transport such oil to Israel, the United States Government will make every effort to help Israel secure the necessary means of transport.

Israeli and United States experts will meet annually or more frequently at the request of either party, to review Israel's continuing oil requirement.


Source: Israeli Foreign Ministry

A little about Cyrus R. Vance:


Cyrus Roberts Vance 1917-2002, U.S. secretary of state (1977-80) [when he signed the above memorandum], b. Clarksburg, W.Va., grad. Yale [it figures] (B.A., 1939, LL.B., 1942). After seeing action in the Navy during World War II, Vance practiced law, becoming a respected international lawyer. He entered government service as a Senate commiittee counsel in 1957. and later served in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations as secretary of the army (1961-62), deputy secretary of defense (1964-67), and U.S. negotiator to the Paris Peace Conference on the Vietnam War (1968-69). He also served as special envoy to Cyprus (1967) and Korea (1968). As President Carter 's secretary of state, Vance opposed the 1980 attempt to rescue the American hostages in Iran [I wonder why] and resigned after the mission failed. He subsequently served on several diplomatic missions, in particular as head of United Nations' efforts to negotiate an end to the violence following the dissolution of Yugoslavia (1991-92). At various times Vance also served on the boards of corporations, universities, foundations, and other organizations, and was chairman (1988-1990) of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Unbelievable.

Isn't it amazing how israel-firsters all fit the typical usual suspect profile: Yale graduate, lawyer, banking agent, etc.

This simply cannot be 'just coincidence.'

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Related: see Wikipedia's entry on the legal force of an MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) - essentially, under international law, it's a treaty. Under US law, it's either a treaty or an executive agreement. Either way, it has the force of law.

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Many thanks to Against Zionism (from whose comment I took the above excerpt). His wealth of knowledge about all things related to israel never ceases to amaze me.

I was looking for a juicy topic! What do I get? Nothing. But you're right, Israel's been taking and using up our resources for years. I don't understand why Germany isn't paying them to tell you the truth. America didn't do the Holocaust. Just saying.

What do we owe Israel? And please don't say to protect us from "God's judgement" I will laugh in your face with no regrets. Why can't Israel support its own ass?

Don't they believe in "GOD"? If so, why can't be those happy giving people their religious books tell them to be?

reply to post by openyourmind1262

america, corporate leaders, the monarchy and the vatican:
taking and not giving before modern society began.

problems in other countries are due to the fact we force them into debt and a deprived state of living with a controlled monetary system
who are the real terrorists?

reply to post by UniverSoul


I agree those entities have taken since the dawn of time. But no one does it with such in your face fashion as Israel. Israel takes and cares not about how any one feels. Anyone . Their surrounded by oil. So why don't Israel broker them a nice deal with the countries that surround them that are oil laden. Why put USA in the situation that we have to take from our own to see to it they are taken care of? BS. Charity begins at home.

reply to post by Heartisblack


IMHO we don't owe Israel shat. We are Israel's attack dog. They want the Goyim blood spilled, not the Hebrew blood. They want USA to fight their battles. Simply put, we be Israel's bitch.

How do we call someone who take but never give .. a PARASITE

Originally posted by openyourmind1262
reply to post by UniverSoul

 

I agree those entities have taken since the dawn of time. But no one does it with such in your face fashion as Israel. Israel takes and cares not about how any one feels. Anyone . Their surrounded by oil. So why don't Israel broker them a nice deal with the countries that surround them that are oil laden. Why put USA in the situation that we have to take from our own to see to it they are taken care of? BS. Charity begins at home.

your right nations like israel use an obvious form of oppression.
nations like america use the smarter method of control. they hide it by calling it something else and lying to our faces.
personally i trust those who are open with their intent over those who feel the need to hide it

Originally posted by Ben81
How do we call someone who take but never give .. a PARASITE

I agree, people are screaming at Americans who use too many resources or get help etc but never think about the senseless wars or who the hell we're financially supporting.

Israel is not a child and we don't owe them child support.

Israel is #1 on the hate list for all the Islamic countries in the Middle East. Who do you think is #2? If they get their wish on Israel and turn it into a parking lot guess who is the new #1.... the U.S.

reply to post by openyourmind1262


Those Zionists are not giving back anything until they are forced.

then , they are going to cry to daddy.

From Quran :

AND WE MADE KNOWN TO THE ISRAELITES IN THE BOOK. THAT TWICE SHALL YOU DO CORRUPTION IN THE LAND AND YOU WILL TRANSGRESS A GREAT TRANSGRESSION.

THEN WHEN THERE CAME TO PASS ONE OF THE TWO PROMISES, WE RAISED AGAINST YOU SERVANTS OF US (WHO WERE) VIGOROUS WARRIORS, AND THEY SEARCHED THE HOUSES, AND IT WAS A DEFINITE PROMISE.

IF YOU DID WELL, YOU DID WELL FOR YOURSELF, AND IF YOU HAVE DONE EVIL, (IT TOO) WAS FOR YOURSELF. THEN WHEN THE NEXT PROMISE CAME TO PASS, SO AS TO SADDEN YOUR FACES (AGAIN) AND THEY TO ENTER THE HOLY TEMPLE AS THEY ENTERED IT (VIOLENTLY) AT THE FIRST TIME; AND TO DESTROY WHAT WOULD FALL IN THEIR POWER WITH UTTER DESTRUCTION!

The first time was WW2 and the second time will be the next war Israelis will offer.

reply to post by openyourmind1262


I've been wondering how these Israeli first'ers can justify this as the Us infrastructure crumbles around them. What exactly will be the tipping point? I'm Canadian, so I'm all for giving Aid to those who need it, and in some cases Israel does need it. but not to the extent it's being given and nothing in return for the US and Canada except hatred from those Israel oppresses with our dollars.

Even if you are a solid zionist, even if you believe everything in those books to be true, can you honestly justify destroying your country to benefit them? If you honestly feel they need help, don't you understand that you are putting your country into a position in which it can't help itself, let a lone Israel.

The best thing the US can do for Israel is to limit the aid. No more paying for ammunition and new equipment, no more bunker buster bombs, no more white phosphorus. No more fighting their battles for them. Only when Israel has to face the repercussions of their actions, only when they are held accountable, can they hope to have world respect and peace. As long as they can bully and push and oppress, and we protect them, nothing will change.

But if the Israeli tax payers had to foot the bill, the entire bill, for the occupation, I think support would dwindle.

Aid to Israel is directly responsible for the unrest and instability in the region. It's a fact, what has all those Muslims and non Muslim Arabs so upset? Israel, and no, not just because it exists, because it's government is Racist, Facist, and oppressive, they continually instigate conflict, ignoring UN sanctions, ignoring International law, ignoring sovereign nations borders.

Only when the world holds them accountable can we even hope to achieve peace.

Canada and the US are linked, we are twisted and tied together like it or lump it, so when I see the US crumbling, I know what is in store for me, and I sure as hell don't want this to happen to benefit a tiny strip of dirt a world away for people who honestly don't even consider me a human being.

What could Isreal give that anyone would want? Couscous? People?

The relationship between the US and Israel is unique to say the least. You can’t name one other economic, military, strategic or diplomatic relationship where any supposedly sovereign country intentionally subverts its own interests in favor of another unless there is an obvious payoff.

There are only two possible explanations;

a) there is some unknown / non obvious interest or resource that Israel possesses that benefits the US, or
b) Israel is the dog and we’re the tail.

I’ll leave the answer to those two to the forums speculation.

reply to post by openyourmind1262


and you give a crap why?


you are what? 20yrs old?

ever work on a kibbutz?

reply to post by fooks


I thought kibbutz was dog food....."kibbutz and bitz"

reply to post by jjkenobi


At least we would be back to # 1 at something!

reply to post by fooks


If you would have read the post you would see I stated my age. I care because I am an American. I want my and everyone else's tax money to support AMERICANS not Israeli's. I want my roads fixed. Not Israels. I want our schools to get the money. Not Israels. I want our borders protected, not Israels. I want our politicians to put America first, not Israel.

That's why I CARE.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Will we ever be able to hold them accountable for all they have done? Only way is for America to cut the rope and let Israel sink, or they will pull us down into the abyss with them. Cut the rope, and let the dead weight fall.

The bible says bless those that bless israel, and if we bless israel more than ourselves, we are blessed more. It's that simple, folks. Plus israel is the only democracy in the middle east, and they help us. Just look at the uss liberty, the lavon affair, and 911. 911 was good for israel, and it was good for the US.

and if those reasons don't make you afraid to giev to israel, well let me make up some other ridiculous reason to be afraid...oh yeah, israel is hated #1, and if israel is gone, we'll be next! Be afraid!...or else!

Reply to post by phishyblankwaters

I am 100% for cutting all foreign aid until we can get our own house in order.

-- Aid to Israel is directly responsible for the unrest and instability in the region. It's a fact, what has all those Muslims and non Muslim Arabs so upset? Israel, and no, not just because it exists, because it's government is Racist, Facist, and oppressive, they continually instigate conflict, ignoring UN sanctions, ignoring International law, ignoring sovereign nations borders.--



Learn some history before you spout off nonsense again.


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