Something going on at Occupy San Fransisco and Occupy St Louis

This whole OWS thing is starting to smell like a big operation to get people riled up so Obama can declare martial law. Who is behind the original movement, does anyone know? It would be interesting to know what connections they have.

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
I hope they arrest everyone that gets out of line.

You have a right to assemble peaceably and protest. Provided that you have obtained a city permit and are respectful of the law.

But no one can guarantee your safety or those around you and if you are violent, vandalize and are lawless you should be arrested.

Tell that to the protesters in Egypt, Tunsia, and the rest of the Middle East.

You need to WAKE UP. No matter HOW resistance is carried out against a tyrannical government and/or market, it's better than allowing it. But go ahead... lick their boots and love their laws.

I certainly hope we are more civilized than those who are tearing apart their counties to holy hell overseas! Is that what you want? If that is what you are looking for, you need to get the hell out of America! Get a one way ticket to Egypt! They will be more than happy to bring types like you into their cause….

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by morder1

 

Yeah and my problem with this thread is that you don't have any info, you and others are taking to the streets on baseless claims. You dont even know what you are protesting for or who you are protesting against.

You cant be serious?

Just a few reasons, there are a ton of others where do i begin?

Forget Wall Street! You need to go after the Federal Reserve! Don't you get that yet? The Fed has control of Wall Street! You need to go to the source! I just don't get it! You sound like the other guy who is doing what everyone else is doing! IF YOU HAVE ANY SAY AT ALL, PLEASE RALLY YOUR FRIENDS AND MARCH TO THE FEDERAL RESERVE! DON'T JUST TALK ABOUT IT.......DO IT!!!!!

Originally posted by tsloan
These movement are going to get hijacked this weekend...The far left is moving to keep the masses in an anti-right political stance and the right on Fox is using this to whip all the conservatives into a frenzy blaming this on the left trying to make this into a socialist movement... We have got to keep everyone focus on the Federal Reserve PRIVATE BANKING SYSTEM! Wallstreet it all comes from the federal reserve banking system and the off shore banks that have hijacked our monatary structure system. We have got to get these people focused on the banks. If everyone will notice they are not in a frenzy to protect the NYSE or wallstreet. BUT when people move on the banking system they break out the blacked out military squads. That should tell people that it's the banks...

I have been telling everyone from the get go! Everything is one ear, and out the other! It’s like their all just wanting to go where all the excitement is! Where the people are hanging out having a blast! THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON THE FEDERAL RESERVE! What is it going to take for these people to see that?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
This whole OWS thing is starting to smell like a big operation to get people riled up so Obama can declare martial law. Who is behind the original movement, does anyone know? It would be interesting to know what connections they have.

Not saying I agree or disagree with your observation, but what exactly would be the point in wanting Martial Law? Our economy can't really afford to keep locking people up. It's not free you know.

I am just as curious as you are about who is behind this. I'm actually in support of this movement...they definitely have gotten their numbers up.

Originally posted by DRAZIW

Originally posted by thehoneycomb

You have a right to assemble peaceably and protest. Provided that you have obtained a city permit and are respectful of the law.

Just remember that the citizens can arrest the cops.

The three powers are vested in the people. The power to make law, the power to interpret law, and the power to enforce law. That's the Legislative power, the Judiciary power, and the Executive power.

Each citizen has these three powers vested in him.

If the citizens did not have these three powers they could not "hire servants" and "empower them" to exercise these powers.

The police are just the servants hired to enforce the law. If the police get out of line, the citizens can take back that power and arrest and detain the cops instead.

It becomes a battle of wills.

The citizens can make new laws on the spot, interpret those laws according to their will, and enforce that law immediately. The police have no power on their own.

The constitution says "We the People..."...not "We the Police..."

Wow! Sounds like you have it all figured out bubb! Maybe you should become an attorney.....NOT! Go ahead and try pulling a "take the law into your own hands" when you see an officer do something wrong, or even make a mistake! Most officers are people too! There might be one or two that are bad, but most are ok! They have a job to do as well. Just because they are not marching and demonstrating like you doesn't make them bad people. But please.....Go ahead and try to set an officer straight when you see something you don't agree with go bad! You won't get far. I guarantee it!

(I have made a point to address this in every post I make....GO AFTER THE SOURCE! GO AFTER THE FEDERAL RESERVE)!

reply to post by Propulsion


Oh yes i certainly understand, Operation Wall Street is the beginning and i agree with you 100% as far as going after the fed

However you really do not get the gist of OWS, this is progress and the shape of things to come. Complaining about it is counter productive, it is growing by the day and getting more organized. GOAL? It is all about a message

Try to tell it to Dave Rockefeller he almost keels over.... maybe if enough of us bother him he will have a heart attack.





We are going to troll The Federal Reserve soon enough

Originally posted by openyourmind1262
reply to post by MysticPearl

 

And abuse their power every damn night. they have three shifts. Most cops now a days are ex military. With that military mentality. Everybodies the damn enemy. For every one cop that hates what he or she having to do. There's probally about 5 or 6 that just can't wait to break out the taser or whack away on a protestor with a batton.

All the while chanting that new police slogan " STOP RESISTING".

I am curious.....How old are you? Most cops are not military! I have a good friend who is a cop! Most are out only trying to do their job! And a lot lose their lives trying to protect you and me! You really need to free yourself bubb...

reply to post by Propulsion


All the guys i grew up with in High School that became cops were bullies in school. Coincidence? An observation. And I suppose most people who would even desire being a cop must want that authority over the next guy. It hardly has to do much with wanting to help because they enforce just as many BS laws as they do help fight crime. Laws passed and conjured up by politicians and lobbyists that are out of touch with the the populous. Many laws that are blatantly unethical. That favor oppressive means. While attending Criminal Justice classes they will know what laws they will be enforcing. They know the ins and outs.

Now i wont bash cops as a whole i had one potentially save my life once. Another get my property back. But these same cops still had an ugly personality and have done bad things to good people i know. But most the time me being harassed for minor things and had one lie while on the stand. Even witnessed excessive force my friend be beaten with mag light flash lights for resisting. So there is a dark side to law enforcement and of course not all cops are bad people. But they know what they are getting in to besides the salary is not that great. Dealing with crime, people beating and abusing children, rapists and all kinds of wretched human beings can and will change a man. Somewhat like post war trauma, desensitizing them some what. Becoming your work in a sense. Suppose to be Bat Man but Officer ended up battering a man. They could have chosen to be paramedics or fire fighters if they want to be a hero. These arent all the kind of guys that will help you get your cat from out of the tree.

Just following orders right?

From who?

Protect and Serve who?

They protect the KKK when they protest and evoke hate because of the constitution

They protect the Westboro Baptist Church protesting at a dead marines funeral and never rough up the Roeper family "cops hate them" however protect them because of the Constitution.

When protesters protest the Wall Street Banker's suddenly the constitution is invalid and they kettle, beat and arrest people!

In the end they are loyal to the people until it involves the Bankers this is when they become enforcers, goons, mercs for donation sum of a certain amount donated by a certain bank and or banks.


They draw the line there Obviously

OK I'm from the San Francisco Bay Area so I can give people a short update on what's been going on here.

There have been a lot of protests recently in downtown SF. It started with the group Anonymous organizing the protests of BART (our subway system) for police brutality. There have been small organized protests every Monday for over a month now.

Occupy San Francisco protests have now begun and they Marched down Market street. There were a few arrests. Over night some of the protesters set up a camp site on the public sidewalk with tents and other various gear (food, shelter and medical supplies).

The police broke up the encampment in the early morning hours and confiscated some of the protesters camping gear.

There is also a group of protesters in San Jose which is 60 minutes South of San Francisco. And a protest for Occupy Oakland is set up to begin this Friday.

Here is a Link to a newspaper article in regards to the protesters camp being dismantled by police.

Occupy San Francisco

About 200 demonstrators in the Occupy SF movement were looking for a place to camp after upward of 80 police dismantled their Market Street encampment early Thursday morning. San Francisco police and city employees cleared out the camp just after midnight following a Wednesday night warning that the protesters didn’t have required city permits, including permissions for preparing food and temporary occupancy of a sidewalk. The campers are with the national Occupy Wall Street movement, which has been commandeering spaces near financial institutions in recent weeks to rail against economic disparity. Officers waited around the corner until the warning expired and then moved in on roughly 200 protesters gathered outside the Federal Reserve Bank. The police action created an existential crisis for the consensus-oriented protesters, with some seeking to maintain good relations with police while others sought to stand their ground, yelling “the police work for the capitalists.” While some took down tents willingly, others briefly tried to block a truck being used to round up their supplies. In the end, police said there was little violent resistance aside from protester Kevin Hernandez, 26, who was arrested on charges of resisting arrest and assaulting an officer. Demonstrators characterized it as a heavy-handed tactic “in the dead of night,” but police say their response was humane and progressive. Read more at the San Francisco Examiner:

Originally posted by Propulsion

Wow! Sounds like you have it all figured out bubb! Maybe you should become an attorney.....NOT! Go ahead and try pulling a "take the law into your own hands" when you see an officer do something wrong, or even make a mistake! Most officers are people too! There might be one or two that are bad, but most are ok! They have a job to do as well. Just because they are not marching and demonstrating like you doesn't make them bad people. But please.....Go ahead and try to set an officer straight when you see something you don't agree with go bad! You won't get far. I guarantee it!

We the people are doing this all the time these days. Ever heard of the cell phone camera? Of course, it's hard for an individual to arrest a cop. But, he can take pictures, video, and make noise about what he sees. And a group of individuals can arrest a cop. Citizens arrests are legal. Especially, if you've taken video to back up your reason for arresting an officer of the law. No one is above the law. And anyone can arrest anyone. It's proving the need for the arrest that's the issue. There is where the cell phone cameras come in handy. This changes the dynamic of social order. You no longer need a uniform and a badge to be an enforcer, we've got cell phones today providing instant evidence and justification.

reply to post by DRAZIW


Have you seen this ?



Three states have made it illegal to record police....Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland
www.dvafoto.com...

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by DRAZIW

 

Have you seen this ?

Three states have made it illegal to record police....Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland
www.dvafoto.com...

Remember, most police cars are equipped with cameras that record the police in action stopping cars on the highway. So, if it is illegal for the citizen to record the action, it's also illegal for the cops to "eavesdrop", as they put it, on the people they stop on the road !

Originally posted by Propulsion

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
I hope they arrest everyone that gets out of line.

You have a right to assemble peaceably and protest. Provided that you have obtained a city permit and are respectful of the law.

But no one can guarantee your safety or those around you and if you are violent, vandalize and are lawless you should be arrested.

Tell that to the protesters in Egypt, Tunsia, and the rest of the Middle East.

You need to WAKE UP. No matter HOW resistance is carried out against a tyrannical government and/or market, it's better than allowing it. But go ahead... lick their boots and love their laws.

I certainly hope we are more civilized than those who are tearing apart their counties to holy hell overseas! Is that what you want? If that is what you are looking for, you need to get the hell out of America! Get a one way ticket to Egypt! They will be more than happy to bring types like you into their cause….

Oh god... stfu. Tearing apart their countries to holy hell? NO. Is that what I want? NO. Get the hell out of America? NO, YOU FIRST.

the leader of this revolution speaks!!
deadlinelive.info...

quote from article
“Realize what’s really at stake here. The future of not just this country, but of this world, is all about to go. Not on some 2012 #, but realistically speaking. The resources are running out. You’re going to look at this video years from now and say, ‘Damn, yo. He was right, we should have been focused on this

lol watch this its brilliant the look the first cop gives him around 1:40 is so lol

reply to post by morder1


Hey, there, glad you made this thread, thanks so much! San Francisco has traditionally been a place of protest since the Beat Generation of the 1950's; I thought I'd let you know how some protesters are more "equal" than others (to paraphrase George Orwell's "Animal Farm").

I lived in San Francisco for a very long time. I saw all sorts of protests. One of the saddest was the AIDS Vigil at City Hall; for years, there were Aids sufferers camped at City Hall 24/7 in the 1990's, trying to draw attention to the plight of people with AIDS. For 30 years, Keith McHenry & his helpers have braved arrest & much else by feeding the homeless & hungry through the Food Not Bombs organisation. But one of the strangest results of protest in San Francisco was the huge protest against the Gulf War in 1991.

A good friend of mine was determined to go; I couldn't talk her out of it. The people she was joining had the right permits, she said, & everyone was protesting non-violently. I wished her luck. She disappeared for 4 days!

The protesters found out soon enough that the police & SWAT teams were armed & ready for them. No one in law enforcement was the least bit interested in the permits that my friend's organisation had or that they were non-violent. In less than an hour the anti-war demonstrators were rounded up & forced onto buses nearby that were waiting for them- over 1,000 people. The buses drove to a large pier on the Bay that had been set up- with huge cages inside- for all those who were arrested. They were herded in like cattle.

Everyone had to stay imprisoned on the cold, drafty pier over the weekend- no phone calls, no lawyers, no visitors. Everyone was told that they would begin to be "processed" on the following Monday. Starting Monday, the protestors were processed, fined $500.00 each, & released. The whole time that my friend was there, no one got any sleep, because there were welders farther down along the pier who were busy building more big cages!

Until my friend was released on Tuesday, the following day, I had been calling her place frantically, not knowing where or how she was. She was safe & unharmed; but $500.00 poorer, which she really couldn't afford- just a part of the unfairness of it all. Everyone arrested at the protest had every right to be where they were doing what they were doing, but now they all had arrest records.

I just wanted everyone in San Francisco occupying the Federal Reserve to know that the tide can turn at any moment for their protest & to be ready in any case. Good luck to you all, my heart is with you.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


I suppose the authorities should draw a definitive line then. No pepper spray unless your detaining or restricting somebody, makes sense enough to me.

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier

Just a few reasons, there are a ton of others where do i begin?

Cancel Debts..... Come on man. If people would quite living in the "I need it now" world there wouldn't be any debt..what ever happen to the old adage of SAVING?

I would be targeting the ONEs that are devaluing the dollar than anyone else..if the dollar tanks we are screwed.