The true origin of Christmas? Truly a pagan festival.

The date of December 25 actually comes from the roman celebration of the italic god saturn and the re-birth of the sun god. The roman festival of the christmas celebration was called Saturnalia. In the ancient festival each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to eatfood and other physical pleasures through an week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.
In rome on december 25 there were no laws and people could do anything they wanted. Rumors spread of drunk men beating their wives on that day, having sex with other men and causing chaos out through rome. Christmas was considered a pagan holiday The holiday was eventually banned from 1649-1660. Christmas is a mix from all different cultures. December 25 has said to not be the true birth of Jesus Christ but some still believe it is. The evergreen tree was actually taken from the celebration of the yule god in Germany.

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Yeah I learned that in 3rd grade while attending a Catholic school. I'll be surprised if anyone here didn't already know that much of Christianities symbolism/significant dates stemmed from Paganism.

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The bad thing is a lot of christians i know look down on pagans and their beliefs.

I recall when a friend of mine believed the yuletide I was refering to was halloween s&f for you, because there is a grand canyon sized hole in the entire story that no one usually dares stare down.

I just did a thread on this recently:

The Pagan Roots of Christianity

It stems from the tradition of Sol Invictus. It is sad but true.

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I see that. I will also check into your thread but i am not really looking for post about the pagan part. I put that in there because it goes with the thread.

for more information please visit google and search the term sun cult, warning, may contain polytheism.

do not adjust your eye sockets, your vision is perfectly fine. consult your doctor in the case of internal bleeding or mental health issues caused by overwhelming influx of truth.

thats my way of saying I'm not going to just say what I mean because it would offend, best to find it all yourself.

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On this thread about the true origin of christmas, I give everyone a star who post.

Who cares... a holiday is a holiday

Christianity, paganism, Islam, all the same thing ZZzZzZzZz

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Yes, Saturnalia and Yuletid/Jul, was celebrated on the same date, as Christmas.
History of Christmas

Video about The history of Christmas

Video about Why Christmas Day is on December 25.

rebirth of the sun 4 days after the winter solstice, more specifically check this out.

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theres a ritual/celebration for nearly every catagory of culture for nearly each letter of the alphabet.

I could go on but it would definatly offend. muchly.

It is not like the Witnesses haven't been telling this to people for over a hundred years now.

If only, you know, you actually stopped to listen, maybe this wouldn't have been such a surprise to you.

Almost all Catholic Holidays and traditions were taken from the Pagan's

Yule = Christmas
Imbolc = Ash Wednesday
Ostara = Easter
Beltaine = May Crowning
Litha = Nativity of John the Baptist
Lughnasadh = Assumption Day
Mabon = Feast of the Archangel Michael
Samhain = All Saints Day

Some of these traditions and holidays are more celebrated than others, but all were put in place to replace the earlier Pagan rituals.

it has come to my attention that saturnalia is infact the roman equivilent of the pagan festivals, and there is some difference in the specifics involved between yule, and saturnalia.

even the maya have one for this, or did.

The Haab' was the Maya solar calendar made up of eighteen months of twenty days each plus a period of five days ("nameless days") at the end of the year known as Wayeb' (or Uayeb in 16th C. orthography). The five days of Wayeb', were thought to be a dangerous time.

winter solstice, 3 days where the sun seams to rise in the exact same spot, and then reverse signalling the end of deadly cold and the start of spring.

idk about nowadays, snows in july.

Just guessing but did your motivation for this thread come from the episode of the "Big Bang Theroy" that aired last night and had a small bit of this information in it?

Originally posted by mnmcandiez
Who cares... a holiday is a holiday

Christianity, paganism, Islam, all the same thing ZZzZzZzZz

edit on 10/4/2011 by mnmcandiez because: (no reason given)

I agree, as long as I get off work whatever. Kids get to have some fun, get some new toys before they grow up and are enslaved in work hours and taxes, it's not like families put there tree in the center of a pentagram and sacrafice a reindeer on the altar.

Originally posted by whatsinaname
it has come to my attention that saturnalia is infact the roman equivilent of the pagan festivals, and there is some difference in the specifics involved between yule, and saturnalia.

even the maya have one for this, or did.




idk about nowadays, snows in july.

How about Australia and New Zealand? They are well below the equator and their seasons are opposite the Northern Hemisphere.

And the people who borrowed days from paganism to celebrate new holidays on had just decided to claim the day as theirs. I don't celebrate yule because it is not a part of my understanding of the holiday Christmas.

I'm sure everyone who's looked into it can see the olden roots to at least the holidays, it's undeniable. I personally don't care.

Then, you know, there's the core beliefs that believers find ways to deny any relation to older roots.

The Swastika was a good luck charm with a meaning along the lines of "Life is good", but that isn't it's meaning anymore. It's meaning is now an alignment with the Nazi evils. Similarly, I don't care if a holiday has roots in something I don't believe in, I'll look at the modern meaning because that's what's relevant. If holidays with modern meaning of encouraging family time or cheerfulness are bad because they were originally in worship with false gods, then swastikas with nearly evil modern meaning are wonderful regardless because of their old meaning.

I don't care about origins. But, origins do play a big role in establishing fact. The fact is, an origin in older believes implies a human author drawing off those ideas, and is very contradictory to the assertion that it's author was a god indifferent to them. That's when origins become relevant.

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Very true, a symbol is just geometric figure until someone puts meaning to it.

Swastikas have also been used in other various ancient civilizations around the world. It remains widely used in Indian religions, specifically in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism, primarily as a sacred symbol of good luck.