62% Now See China As Threat to America

Originally posted by LogiosHermes27
china needs america

Yes...

If American "Consumers" stop buying Chinese made goods they'll have to find other markets. As it stands now the US is the Single largest customer market China has. If they lose that it would hit China like a ton of bricks. [This isn't rocket science] Many of their factories will either close or lay off massive amounts of people. So they invest in our T-Bills which helps keep our economy going and we in turn purchase their goods. Sooner or later China will become the worlds largest consumer market then this will all reverse and other countries will start exporting to China when inflation takes hold there.

ooops maybe you didn't think that far ahead eh?

reply to post by SLAYER69


It's not without a sense of irony that this would work beautifully for us (your blue collar Americans).

We would actually have to make stuff again, which we so desperately want to do. Turns out we are too expensive for our corporate government.

This is why 1% of Americans control most of its wealth, because they are too cheap to pay their countrymen.

In time

In time...

The US is still the third largest exporter behind Germany and China. With the Dollar falling some people see Gloom and Doom. All this really does is make American made products and services more competitive abroad and in turn will actually help the US economy on the whole.

I didn't hear no bell...

reply to post by LogiosHermes27


en.wikipedia.org...

They all list China at around 19% debt to GDP which is a ratio between the two. We're about 62%. Okay, my first question is, "Who owns China's 19%?" My second question is, "If China has debt, why are they loaning money to us?" Shouldn't they be paying off their debts first before they loan money to others? If they have x amount in debt and are loaning to us then they really don't own as much of our debt as is claimed. The amount they owe to others must be deducted from the total number they owe us. Wouldn't you think?

reply to post by LilDudeissocool



No...

Debt keeps the world going.
For example Yes the US has has about 14 Trillion in debt but we also have a yearly GDP of around 15.5 Trillion. What China has invested in are long term. that debt does not need to be paid out today or tomorrow or even next year. But most likely in 30 years. Today we are paying off what was invested from 20 and 30 years ago.

Same thing goes for China

reply to post by SLAYER69


Already people in America are discontent, one by one starting to wake up and realize whats going on with this garbage.

This is a democracy, not a communist state. This is why this is a democracy, because its not in our nature to give up, we are at our best when the SHTF. Use the onset of WW2 as an example, people tend to relax until there is real trouble right in front of them. Economic turmoil will only serve the average Americans interest, we still know how to build our houses, we still know how to tend our fields and we still know how to kick ass. America is not going to 'collapse', we are just going to have to throw down our cheeseburgers and jump back on it, this is what we want.

Regardless of what the situation is now, 99% > 1%, our soldiers are our families and friends and the government does not control us, though it is trying. In all actuality they worked themselves into a corner where now people are getting mad and no explanations are being given.

So... lets get it on... release all these non-violent prisoners and lets start building assembly lines.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by CaptGizmo

 

i guess you missed the irony of the stereotypical, dim witted and culturally bereft American.

Sorry, I tend to be a little to particular at times. I know.. it's a bad habit I have.
China does not bother me so much as The American industry that abandoned it's own people. Capitalism is alive and well Globally now.

reply to post by Section31


How is this a surprise?

We have funded them and fueled their economy at the expense of our own.

Kinda like Russia after the bs of "Glasnost/Perestroika".

The Bear pretended to be weak and "caved". We sent western business models in.
They developed State Capitalism.

Now they have the Russian Oligarchs running amok in huge yachts....while the KGB is in the Kremlin.

It happened with Japan prior to WW2 as well. All the scrap metal we sent for smelting was sent back as Zeros, Betty's, "Baka Bombs",The Yamato, and funny looking tanks!

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by LilDudeissocool

 

No...

Debt keeps the world going.
For example Yes the US has has about 14 Trillion in debt but we also have a yearly GDP of around 15.5 Trillion. What China has invested in are long term. that debt does not need to be paid out today or tomorrow or even next year. But most likely in 30 years. Today we are paying off what was invested from 20 and 30 years ago.

Same thing goes for China.

I was talking about lean percentages on loans. lets say you get a home loan for 100k. The bank you borrowed the money from has borrowed 90% of its moneys it has loaned out in the way of deposits or borrowing from another institution, or the Discount Window. The bank only owns 10% of your note. We are a debtor to China, but they have debt too.

I'm not seeing the relevance to what I posted. However I do understand what you are saying. The interest paid servicing U.S. public debt is always less than the increase in inflation. So it's cheaper to borrow money for the USG in the way of T-bills rather than save and pay, or pay as you go, but try telling that to the debt Hawks in DC though and the tea bag crowd that elect the fools. The only thing they know how to do is increase our interest rates we have to pay by not raising the debt ceiling, and having our credit rating hit. However one of the beautiful things about issuing public bonds is that you get to name your own price. As long as there are people willing to buy x bonds at x rate a credit rating means nothing. It's just an opinion of some irrelevant institution. It makes great press for the ignorant corporate news consumer though.

Countries like Malaysia and Vietnam have been gearing up lately in a show of strength because China has been pushing their weight around in the disputed South China Sea, cutting fishing nets and blocking access to traditional fishing grounds.

The weapons that the countries are arming themselves with are American. Nothing like a little fear mongering to boost sales huh?

reply to post by Section31

Rasmussen Reports ask actual voters, so this information comes from the public.

yea these 1,000 voters who are all bunch od idiots and rednecks and the same 1.000 voters who thought Serbia was a threat too.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


People have been saying that China is a problem since I was a kid, I'm not that worried. Your post actually proves my point. The borrowing of money and the relocation of many businesses simply shows how strong that relationship is.

Sure, like any other power nation, it can be spotty at times and there is tension when it comes to global finance among other things, but either way, the US & China cannot afford to lose each other.

It would be economic suicide for both nations.

~Keeper

reply to post by tothetenthpower


307+ Million people in the USA... 6.7+ BILLION people globally... 1.3 BILLION Chinese.

US economic collapse, redistribution of US wealth and power to the rest of the world, and primarily to China.

China becomes THE supreme global super-power!

The USA is not the whole world, we HAD most of the world's wealth and power, but in case you haven't noticed, that is rapidly changing.

When the USA is weakened enough, there will be global moves made to bring about a death blow from which the US will likely never recover.

The rest of the world will go on, progress, and China will continue their rise to global dominance.

It is what it is... or what it will be.

I respect your point of view, as you are obviously not alone, life as you know it is going to change very dramatically over the next 10 to 12 years.. Unless something major is done to change this course.

We'll see.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


China would have to find a new trading partner willing to buy their goods. There isn't another country that is that stupid other than the US. Nobody has that kind of established trade relationship with China for the quantity of goods exported back to the US.

Same with the US, it doesn't have another country to import cheap goods. I"m not saying that if the US collapses that China will become the super power, that's a certainty, but it's in China's best interest to keep the US afloat until they can remove this trade bottleneck they've created for themselves.

~Keeper

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
....but it's in China's best interest to keep the US afloat until they can remove this trade bottleneck they've created for themselves.

Of course it is... but for how long?

China's "need" for the USA, assures our survival, only... Our need for them will ultimately lead to subservience (the plan).

The end of the capitalist (greedy) empire.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by Fractured.Facade

 

China would have to find a new trading partner willing to buy their goods. There isn't another country that is that stupid other than the US. Nobody has that kind of established trade relationship with China for the quantity of goods exported back to the US.

Same with the US, it doesn't have another country to import cheap goods. I"m not saying that if the US collapses that China will become the super power, that's a certainty, but it's in China's best interest to keep the US afloat until they can remove this trade bottleneck they've created for themselves.

~Keeper

At the risk of being banned...you may have forgotten about several countries called the European Union. While the individual countries do not buy what the US buys, as a whole, I think it's pretty close. I don't know how much manufacturing the EU members have moved to China, but my guess is that it is probably similar to what the US has done, with the possible exception of Germany. I think they also have a pretty good market share in S. America as well.

In the end though, I would love to see something happen that is drastic enough to WAKE AMERICA UP!!!

What percentage of Americans believe the Devil is a threat to America?

Would you like a pinch of salt with that statistic?

reply to post by Section31


Interesting that it took this long to acknowledge this while we here in ATS when we had the politics above board we were already debating this economic issue years ago.

Many at that time believe that China was still in the middle ages, here in ATS we new better and what we predicted has come to fruition.

Sadly China maybe a threat to the American people economically but to our corporate ridden governments it means profits, that is why they sleep with them in same bed.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
....but it's in China's best interest to keep the US afloat until they can remove this trade bottleneck they've created for themselves.

Of course it is... but for how long?

China's "need" for the USA, assures our survival, only... Our need for them will ultimately lead to subservience (the plan).

The end of the capitalist (greedy) empire.

Please, let us know more of the inner workings of our Chinese overlords, all-knowing one.

Pshhh, your a damn traitor. Please tell me your Canadian or English or something.

What is it with all these westerners trying to sit on the other teams bench, you think the rest of the world will kindly accept you should all these cockamamie predictions come to be.

No, they will kill or harass you because your Caucasian (probably, its either/or though). This isn't a tennis match, its Earth.

China is a very real threat to America.

Economically and through their Military.

We will probably destroy their navy and airforce and skip the invasion if war breaks out .... but yeah China is a real threat and its very obvious.

Have you seen their new training simulator they train their soldiers on? Instead of Opfor opposition forces .... China actually puts virtual US Soldiers in the simulator for them to kill.