What Is The Coherent Message and Who Is Leading "Occupy Wallstreet"?!

CNN (Oct 2, 7:30 est) just said that it was "breaking news" about other cities getting in on the Occupy INSERT CITY. While you and I know this is hardly breaking (as indicated below), the reporter did bring up something rather interesting. One of which I don't have a an answer for. Maybe others here do.

"Despite the lack of leadership or a coherent message, the protests?! Well they just keeps going day after day".

Transcribed thanks to my DVR. Don't ask for a link. My brain is not cable ready.

So just what is the message?! and who is leading this? I am all for the banksters being buttslammed but I for one have no idea who is leading this. Do you?

Occupy Denver - Posted 22 hours ago.
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reply to post by cluckerspud


Leaders in these things usually evolve. If it lasts.

It will be fun to see what happens when Wall St. opens tomorrow.

Lots of people are unemployed. This has the potential to get ugly.

It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of thieves.

Add: The coherent message is....We want our money back.

No one is leading. I know, it's a difficult concept to grasp. The older members will tell me I'm naive and have no clue what I am talking about; they will also start pulling random organizations out of their asses and start saying that the protests are controlled. No, the fact is these protests don't have coherent leadership. I've seen, sat in on, and have been around similar operations with some of these groups. These kids grew up doing random things on the internet in a organized fashion without leadership. Ideas are thrown in by everyone and a frenzy of flash debates begin, and a course of action is settled upon. In this scenario we have much of that, along with people being given the go ahead to do whatever they want as long as it's peaceful and legal.

Think of this like a flock of birds, or school of fish. Is there generally a leader? No, those creatures work in a weird way. I may explain it incorrectly, but you will understand what I am getting at. Flocks of birds and schools of fish have no leader or leaders. They move based on the actions of every other fish/bird around them. It's as if they are one autonomous being while retaining their individual movement and mind. These protests are similar. You may not accept it, and you may feel the need to inject conspiracy, but this protest is fully grass roots and without leadership...for now...maybe later the bankers and corporate heads will attempt to infiltrate, but it hasn't happened as of yet.

reply to post by cluckerspud


I believe this is the coherent message.

Originally posted by morder1
Source

So they have finally come up with a Declaration! And a list of 22 grievances/facts...

I am watching the Live Stream, they are all reading this Declaration aloud...LIVE!

Definitely check out the SOURCE for the full document

As one people, formerly… divided by the color of our skin, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or lack thereof, political party and cultural background, we acknowledge the reality: that there is only one race, the human race, and our survival requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their brethren; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

Heres a snippet of the first 5 Grievances.

1. They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
2. They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give CEO’s exorbitant bonuses.
3. They have perpetuated gender inequality and discrimination in the workplace.
4. They have poisoned the food supply, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
5. They have continuously sought to end the rights of workers to negotiate their pay and make complaints about the safety of their workplace.

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Originally posted by TheOneElectric
Think of this like a flock of birds, or school of fish. Is there generally a leader? No, those creatures work in a weird way. I may explain it incorrectly, but you will understand what I am getting at.

I see what your saying and I like this too:

Originally posted by whyamIhere
Leaders in these things usually evolve. If it lasts.

The tone of the reporting just sounds like a convenient way for the news to make it sound broken, sloppy and misguided I guess.

I hope someone guides this in an appropriate manner as to make progress.

Originally posted by TheOneElectric

Think of this like a flock of birds, or school of fish. Is there generally a leader? No, those creatures work in a weird way. I may explain it incorrectly, but you will understand what I am getting at. Flocks of birds and schools of fish have no leader or leaders. They move based on the actions of every other fish/bird around them. It's as if they are one autonomous being while retaining their individual movement and mind. These protests are similar. You may not accept it, and you may feel the need to inject conspiracy, but this protest is fully grass roots and without leadership...for now...maybe later the bankers and corporate heads will attempt to infiltrate, but it hasn't happened as of yet.

TheOneElectric is right, having one individual leader is more counter-productive and hypocritical to the main cause of the protests.

As for their purpose:

Declaration of the Ocupation of Wall Street

I keep reading that people are protesting because they are tired of the greed. Yet, I can't seem to understand why it has taken this long to get tired of the greed. Furthermore, why does the protest have to be organized and scheduled in the first place? IMO, if people were really so upset, they would be on every street in America without a dot com telling them where to show up.

I would also like to know how many of the people who are protesting still have financial accounts with wall street companies and if they are still buying or using products wall street companies sell.

Originally posted by TheOneElectric

Think of this like a flock of birds, or school of fish. Is there generally a leader? No, those creatures work in a weird way. I may explain it incorrectly, but you will understand what I am getting at. Flocks of birds and schools of fish have no leader or leaders.

Are you being serious?

This flock has no visible leaders because they are all ANONYMOUS Cowards.

Yes, you can quote me on that everywhere.

the wall street message?

kill all those evil rich folk and protest them instead of the people who are responsbile for all the woes

the us federal government no no ats readers wall street is evil and the government is looking out for them.

or if you will the same message of communism and marxism and socialism.

"i want my free crap" yes ats readers wall street is to blame not themselves nor their government

End the FED!!!

End the FED!!!

And yeah what someone else said... We want our money back

Originally posted by JJDoggie84
End the FED!!!

End the FED!!!

And yeah what someone else said... We want our money back

finally someone who can think for themselves i had lost hope

The Ruckus Society is supposedly in back of this, as well as Adbusters. One is leftist Soros operation and the other is an environmental group out of Canada that opposes corporations.

Oh yah and that Wade Rathke guy from SEIU. and some guy named Lerner...and Anon

plus a bunch of other people are now supporting it....bunch of unions

In fact, having no obvious leader helps them evade responsibility. No one has applied for permits and such.

www.maggiesnotebook.com...

reply to post by jam321


people are afraid of being arrested, going somewhere where its only them and no one else, they also have familys and jobs that they at this moment feel is more important to be around spend time at. They have bills that need to be paid and are afraid that if change it not made then they will be in a worse situaiton. These are just some of the reasons that keep people from protesting. Not because they enjoying living in poverty, or worrying about the next months rent.

Karl Marx is leading the protests.

They are trying to topple the government and initiate communisms

Originally posted by jam321
I keep reading that people are protesting because they are tired of the greed. Yet, I can't seem to understand why it has taken this long to get tired of the greed. Furthermore, why does the protest have to be organized and scheduled in the first place? IMO, if people were really so upset, they would be on every street in America without a dot com telling them where to show up.

I would also like to know how many of the people who are protesting still have financial accounts with wall street companies and if they are still buying or using products wall street companies sell.

Yep and Starbucks is publicly traded on the exchange too.

Originally posted by jam321
I keep reading that people are protesting because they are tired of the greed. Yet, I can't seem to understand why it has taken this long to get tired of the greed. Furthermore, why does the protest have to be organized and scheduled in the first place? IMO, if people were really so upset, they would be on every street in America without a dot com telling them where to show up.

I would also like to know how many of the people who are protesting still have financial accounts with wall street companies and if they are still buying or using products wall street companies sell.

It kind of has some of the same wonders of the Tea Party.

"Where were they for eight years while Bush was pushing his liberalisms!"

Timing, timing , timing

reply to post by cluckerspud


My take, people are starting to lost their minds. Could be due to a deep space magnetic influence. Now! Seem to feel the earth "charging" again like battery.

There are serious concerns though. "Credit card reform" was a sham, students not able to extinguish student loans by bankruptcy, excessive illegal immigration, no jobs, no hope, no change.

Re credit cards, I would have tried to pay mine off completely if I didn't think there's some big problem coming down the pike very soon. As a former Elenintard and a new Nibirutard, I don't believe NASA about the threat level.

--People are starting to again report, humming, roaring, and howling sounds.----------------

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by jam321
I keep reading that people are protesting because they are tired of the greed. Yet, I can't seem to understand why it has taken this long to get tired of the greed. Furthermore, why does the protest have to be organized and scheduled in the first place? IMO, if people were really so upset, they would be on every street in America without a dot com telling them where to show up.

I would also like to know how many of the people who are protesting still have financial accounts with wall street companies and if they are still buying or using products wall street companies sell.

Yep and Starbucks is publicly traded on the exchange too.

Yep and Wall Street funds washington politicos and presses the policy the Tea Party hates, where are they???

There simply aren't any leaders. It's just people coming together for our rights and future. I salute them and hope to occupy ____ soon.