A question on Schumann's resonance

Hi everybody! I hope I put this in the right place

I ran into an information problem and I need some help I have been personally researching Schumann’s Resonance and I have only been able to find the general information on it. I know where is the problem in that ... well I would like to know what the current baseline is. I know in a standard it is 7.8 but I have been hearing that it has increased to 10, 11 or even 12? Everywhere that I have looked I have been finding dead links to those who have been doing research.

Have they stopped working on it? Have they been removed by TPTB?

So in general I guess I’m asking has any one any information on what the current resonance is? And where if any place it can be found. I know the resonance can vary from place to place and vary from 7.8 to 33 Hz.

Can anyone out there help? Or am I chasing the preverbal Jackalope or Snipe? Any info would be helpful.

I actually looked it up last week, and the website I looked at (sorry, can't remember which one) said that as of 2011, the Schumann Resonance was at 12, up from its baseline of 7.8.

Supposedly, when it gets to 13, the world stops spinning.

reply to post by FissionSurplus


Thanks! Yes that is one of the many things I have heard but I'm one of those give me prof people. If you could get that link to me I would appreciate it greatly

I wonder... in "How I Clobbered Every Bureaucratic Cash-Confiscatory Agency Known To Man", on page 84 Mary Elizabeth talks about it and believes that there is now "the equivalent of less than 16 hours per day instead of the old 24 hours."

I would be mildly interested in knowing more about it.

reply to post by Recouper


thanks . the problem i see here is that there seems to be nobody who knows anything on this subject or they are afraid of TPTB to say anything because i think i'm on to something because there are usually a half dozen skeptics jumping all over this......

Ok as this post has seemed to have fallen by the wayside i guess I'll give a little bit more as to why I'm curious about it.

I have a small theory on the changing resonance but no proof. I have heard that the resonance changed in March to 12 Hz. If this is so it may explain why we have seen so much activity along the "Ring of fire"and in other areas of the world. If it has not well poop to that idea, if it did well what kind of trouble would we have when it reaches 13 Hz as a base resonance? like i have said just looking for proof .... if it's out there...

reply to post by ramble

You can find papers on it. Just don't type "schumann resonance" in google or you get mostly new-agey junk.

The search I used in Google was:
Schumann resonance 2011 site:edu

The edu gives you universities instead of new age sources.

Which found this paper as one of the first results.
Decrease of Schumann resonance frequencies and changes in the effective lightning areas toward the solar cycle minimum of 2008-2009

I can't read more than the abstract, but the abstract is informative. The frequency apparently has some relationship to the solar cycle. It gets lower at solar minimum (and therefore presumably higher at solar maximum):

adsabs.harvard.edu...

For the period 1988-2002, it has been shown that the SR mode frequencies and Q-factors decrease with the decrease of X-ray radiation toward the solar cycle minimum (Sátori et al., 2005). In the present study, a decrease of frequencies and Q-factors of all first four SR modes from the latest solar cycle maximum to the anomalous minimum of 2008-2009 is found using the data from Modra Observatory. Decreases obtained here for the first two SR modes are evidently greater than those obtained in the study cited above. Moreover, effective thunderstorm areas are calculated from the monthly mean diurnal frequency range of the electric field component. Our study reveals that the difference between the northern and the southern hemisphere summer areas not only declines with the decrease in solar activity but almost vanishes during the deep solar minimum of 2008-2009. Semi-annual variation in the areas dominates in years of the deep solar minimum.

That makes sense because the changing solar cycle could influence the dimensions and density gradient of the Earth's atmosphere which could definitely affect the Schumann resonance.

Now look at where we are in the solar cycle:
solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov...

It's increasing from the minimum in 2009 when that paper was published, to a maximum in 2013, and if the Schumann resonance tracks it, then it should also be increasing somewhat until 2013. (assuming that solar cycle prediction is correct).

The abstract says something about thunderstorms too, but to be honest I can't quite grasp what they are saying about that without reading the rest of the paper. I think they might be saying that thunderstorm activity may also be correlated with the solar cycle, but I'm not sure about that.

Does this help answer your question in any way?

reply to post by Arbitrageur


Yes and thank you! though it does not quite get all of my question it does answer a lot of it. and it brings another question to mind "does the resonance with the solar cycle correlate to events on earth?". But I'm still missing my main answer "whats the current resonance at and who's doing that research?".

Of course U.S. scientist think its bunk and holds no merit while the European community has kinda put it on the back burner from what i have read ( not this writing you gave me). i guess you all ways get more questions the further you look ......

Originally posted by ramble
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

Yes and thank you! though it does not quite get all of my question it does answer a lot of it. and it brings another question to mind "does the resonance with the solar cycle correlate to events on earth?". But I'm still missing my main answer "whats the current resonance at and who's doing that research?".

OK I see you are missing a huge point about Schumann resonance so let me clarify that for you:

Schumann resonances

This global electromagnetic resonance phenomenon is named after physicist Winfried Otto Schumann who predicted it mathematically in 1952. Schumann resonances occur because the space between the surface of the Earth and the conductive ionosphere acts as a closed waveguide. The limited dimensions of the Earth cause this waveguide to act as a resonant cavity for electromagnetic waves in the ELF band. The cavity is naturally excited by electric currents in lightning. Schumann resonances are the principal background in the electromagnetic spectrum[1] beginning at 3 Hz and extend to 60 Hz,[2] and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.83 (fundamental),[3] 14.3, 20.8, 27.3 and 33.8 Hz....

Observations of Schumann resonances have been used to track global lightning activity.

The key words there are:

"the space between the surface of the Earth and the conductive ionosphere acts as a closed waveguide". So, you're dealing with a waveguide that's ABOVE, let me repeat, ABOVE, the surface of the Earth.

So anything that goes on ABOVE the surface of the Earth and below the ionosphere that can affect the waveguide can affect the Schumann resonance. Once such example cited, is lightning. That's mentioned in the paper I cited also.

Now here's where you can go out on a limb into pseudoscience. If you start to try to correlate things happening BELOW the surface of the Earth, to things happening ABOVE the surface, that's where it gets shaky. What's your rationale for doing that? If you can't explain that, then you're in pseudoscience territory claiming a connection with Earthquakes or other things that happen below the ground, in my opinion. The Schumann resonance is an above-ground phenomenon. It's caused by a waveguide. The March 2011 Japan Earthquake might have had a tiny effect, but only because of the way it measurably changed the SURFACE of the Earth. (The tsunami, for example, was an alteration of the Earth's surface).

if you really think there might be something to this, you could search for research of correlations between solar activity (and Schumann resonances) and earthquakes, but I don't see any plausinle physical mechanism for a correlation (aside from the one I just mentioned which is probably insignificant), so I wouldn't expect to see such a correlation.

But the correlation of SR with solar cycles and lightning makes sense. If you look at something else above the surface it might also make sense. But it's probably not correlated to things below the surface; at least I've never seen any evidence for that.

You are right to ask for proof about that, because, I've never seen any and I doubt it's there.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

"the space between the surface of the Earth and the conductive ionosphere acts as a closed waveguide". So, you're dealing with a waveguide that's ABOVE, let me repeat, ABOVE, the surface of the Earth.

Yup that's what i had missed! thanks for that yea that explains the load of aviation data i found ...
And yes there may be a correlation to solar events but nothing on the ground (or in it). So as once again the new agers are barking up the wrong tree so it seems.

Oh and BTW I did find a few vague study done by some of japan's scientist linking a drop in resonance correlating to earth quake activity but it was done back in 1999 nothing on the last ones. I guess they gave up there or no there was nothing solid to run on


Once again thanks for the help !

Originally posted by ramble
And yes there may be a correlation to solar events but nothing on the ground (or in it). So as once again the new agers are barking up the wrong tree so it seems.

Solar events, solar cycle, and lightning. Those sentences pretty much sum it up right there. It's not the first time they're barking up the wrong tree and it won't be the last.

Once again thanks for the help !

You're welcome, it's nice to help somebody who "gets it" as you obviously do!