New home defense shotgun shell's

Originally posted by pryingopen3rdeye
reply to post by whatsinaname

 

Bear......

Moose....

if big things come at you to kill you your gonna want big ammo

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by DaddyBare

 

I'll stick with my Mossberg ATS.

It eats 2 3/4in, 3in and 3 1/2in shells like no tomorrow.

Pretty useful.

did you misunderstand the point of the thread? it is about shells themselves, not type of shotgun, your shotgun can fire these shells, so sure stick with your mossberg, thats awesome, but what about the shells? gonna try em?

:p

edit on 10/1/11 by pryingopen3rdeye because: (no reason given)

At the current price?

With my current income?

Nope. But I will keep them in mind if I win the lotto.

Not a big fan of killing the neighbor while takin' down a bad guy.

Ya always have to remember that rounds may pass through the target and do further damage.

Originally posted by whatsinaname
if you want to go extreme why not purchase an A-12 with granade rounds and save them the guess work on if they can save them.

My wife won't let me. Plus, in the direction in my house I would likely fire there's an 80 year old lady. But I couldn't personally care less what the EMTs had to deal with. And if they can "save them", I missed.

I saw these a couple months ago. They're OK, but I'd rather use 00 buckshot. There's nothing quite like putting someone down with nine 9mm rounds all at one time.

/TOA

I have a Cobray DD in .45/.410
I currently use 000 Buck..the pistol is rifeled for the last 1in of barrel..will these shells expand correctly from such a short barrel ?

Sorry guys, I really don't intend on offiending anyone or on rousing up anger, so if I do, please accept my apologies before hand. I am not a gun person, although I am looking for a Ruger 10/22 to start with. I see the writing on the wall too.

Why are these things even legal?

Is it really needed?

Get shot by one of these (accidentally or on purpose) and your not surviving. DOA (Dead On Arrival of bullet/slug)

Obviously, the criminals will want them immediately, and only knowledgable and wealthy (I suppose this stuff isn't cheap) individuals would want them too.

It's just sick how much we want to make sure the other guy is dead. I would call that insurance, but others may call it survival of the one with the better stuff (including gun-smarts). Some would say its over-kill. Regardless it is evolution at its best!

Get hit with a regular bullet and you may survive. Get hit with this stuff and I would assume one has seconds to live.

Please note that I do realise that when two opposing groups or individuals have weapons, all options are on the table, including the ones that ensure a rapid kill. This solution seems like a no-brianer. (Meaning the target will have no brians left.)

Does the military have this stuff too?

-E2

Originally posted by EyesII
Sorry guys, I really don't intend on offiending anyone or on rousing up anger, so if I do, please accept my apologies before hand. I am not a gun person, although I am looking for a Ruger 10/22 to start with. I see the writing on the wall too.

Why are these things even legal?

Is it really needed?

Get shot by one of these (accidentally or on purpose) and your not surviving. DOA (Dead On Arrival of bullet/slug)

Obviously, the criminals will want them immediately, and only knowledgable and wealthy (I suppose this stuff isn't cheap) individuals would want them too.

It's just sick how much we want to make sure the other guy is dead. I would call that insurance, but others may call it survival of the one with the better stuff (including gun-smarts). Some would say its over-kill. Regardless it is evolution at its best!

Get hit with a regular bullet and you may survive. Get hit with this stuff and I would assume one has seconds to live.

Please note that I do realise that when two opposing groups or individuals have weapons, all options are on the table, including the ones that ensure a rapid kill. This solution seems like a no-brianer. (Meaning the target will have no brians left.)

Does the military have this stuff too?

-E2

Crimanals don't care about other lives. Law abiding citizens do. That's who these rounds are targeted for.

Yes, the military does have similiar rounds

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


you cant pick out certain scenarios from the field of all possibility and declare them the only likely possible situations for use of this ammo,

what if you need food and have to go out hunting? think you might find a bear then? possibility?

or do you believe the supermarkets will always have food for you and theres no need to ever learn and prepare to fend for self?

Originally posted by TDawgRex

Originally posted by pryingopen3rdeye
reply to post by whatsinaname

 

Bear......

Moose....

if big things come at you to kill you your gonna want big ammo

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by DaddyBare

 

I'll stick with my Mossberg ATS.

It eats 2 3/4in, 3in and 3 1/2in shells like no tomorrow.

Pretty useful.

did you misunderstand the point of the thread? it is about shells themselves, not type of shotgun, your shotgun can fire these shells, so sure stick with your mossberg, thats awesome, but what about the shells? gonna try em?

:p

edit on 10/1/11 by pryingopen3rdeye because: (no reason given)

At the current price?

With my current income?

Nope. But I will keep them in mind if I win the lotto.

Not a big fan of killing the neighbor while takin' down a bad guy.

Ya always have to remember that rounds may pass through the target and do further damage.

if you wanna consider 'know your target' or collateral damage, then you shouldnt be using a shotgun,

this thread is about shotgun ammo....

like the other poster your only thinking of specific scenario's out of the whole abyss of possibilities,

better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it, right?

what about warfare, you wake up one day and the streets are in chaos outside your home, absolute all out war and you need the best killing ability possible to ensure survival, you cant sit there and declare this is not possible to happen, its only one scenario in an abyss of possibilities

reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye


Hmmmm...Let's see?

Slugs may pass through a human, dependent upon range.

Double Aught may also, but the chances are slim.

Bird Shot will just make hamburger out of the outer layer of flesh. But I never keep birdshot in the beast unless I'm huntin'. And I'll be the first to admit, the ATS makes a lousy bird gun.

I ain't got any flecthettes, so they're outta the picture.

These rounds are just too pricey for me at the moment. So I am stickin' with what I have. And my ammo is good enough for ALL scenarios. And cheaper too.

But that’s just me. I don’t have a kid sleeping in the next room. If I did, I probably would go grab a box.

23/4" 00 buck is in my12 ga. 870. Getting hit with a 12ga slug is getting hit with a .72caliber (12 Ga) slug. "Game over" man!" ; the end.
All these fancy "defense disks"/ AND "VOODOO rounds" are being developed to increase the lethality of the tiny.410 bore that is regaining popularity in the guise of an ultra short range defense handgun.

12 ga Shotguns are devastating but abusive(to the shooter) inside anyway; too much muzzleblast/recoil. Even relatively tame 2 3/4" defense loads are overkill at across the living room distance as it is.

Someone above said: " Hit with one of those; the victim has seconds to live".
GOOD! That's the idea
"precious seconds left to continue his assault".
Defensively you shoot to "stop" someone from inflicting grave bodily harm or death on you or others.; if they die as a consequence of their wounds. that's secondary.

The 12ga slug is the most devastating commonly available weapon out there( short of the ever popular .50 bmg round).
Yes (a 12ga slug)it will over penetrate the target (human torso) and certainly leave the room.

reply to post by DaddyBare


Im an old woman who doesnt own any guns. However one of these empty boxes placed in t he window ceil by my front door might be a good deterent to an intruder. If you had a mailing address would you send me an empty box?

Originally posted by Ittabena
reply to post by stirling

 

I think if you put a round into a robber you may be charged with cruel and unusual punishment no?

Not in Mississippi. I do miss that State for a couple reasons, but only a couple. The other being their lack of winter.

Nice find DB.

Yep, heard that many times before! This is usually the opinion of everyone that has ever lived in the deep south as well as the north. The weather, the pro-gun atmosphere and the southern hospitality are the only good things about the south.

The 'southern-pride' thing going on down there is the result of never living elsewhere to compare the two.

I've never used those but I've tested the Monolit 32's as anti material rounds and they hit HARD (They'll crack a block through the radiator) I was previously using Black Magic 3" Magnums for that task but the recoil is too stout for quick followups & the Mololits are steel which is superior for that purpose. I'm a K.I.S.S type of dude so for HD I simply use Remmy Reduced recoil LE double aught with KO's in the speedfeed. If I can't get it done with 9 rounds of 00 then doom on me.

What impresses me about the Dupo's is the energy transfer , you should also check out the hexolits , they look mean.

Interesting round! However, who's going to clean up my house after my home invader is shot in the chest?? Does Servpro do that kind of work? Could make a clever addition to their commercials

To each his own... The possibilities are fantastic.. These would be fun...The WTF look on the home invaders face would be priceless

www.firequest.com...

Originally posted by Ittabena
reply to post by stirling

 

I think if you put a round into a robber you may be charged with cruel and unusual punishment no?

Not in Mississippi. I do miss that State for a couple reasons, but only a couple. The other being their lack of winter.

Nice find DB.

Not in Texas either... "But your Honor... he needed shooting!" "Oh well why didnt you say so..."
Kansas is not far behind and if a home owner catching you up to no good up in Wyoming... I promise you they will never find the body...

Originally posted by granpabobby
I have a Cobray DD in .45/.410
I currently use 000 Buck..the pistol is rifeled for the last 1in of barrel..will these shells expand correctly from such a short barrel ?

I go with the Standard USMC choice of 03 buck...
gives you a few more .30 cal pellets but still have the retained energy of the 00..
now if only we could get the old duckbill choke the old combat shotguns use to have... Ugly but very very effective

Originally posted by jibeho
Interesting round! However, who's going to clean up my house after my home invader is shot in the chest?? Does Servpro do that kind of work? Could make a clever addition to their commercials

To each his own... The possibilities are fantastic.. These would be fun...The WTF look on the home invaders face would be priceless

www.firequest.com...

Maybe that's why they cost so much
each box comes with a box of drywall putty...

Originally posted by DaddyBare
reply to post by navione

 

Hopefully we'll see all those draconian laws changed so the average joe has the ability to defend himself and his property.... restrictive laws like yours only makes it easier for the bad guys to pray on the weak...

back on topic... Did you know Taurus made a 28 ga Judge...sadly it will not be sold in the US

BATFE visited the Taurus booth at SHOT Show where they were showing off their latest toy...and declared that the 28 gauge revolver was in fact a SBS (Short Barreled Shotgun), not a handgun.... I hope they get this problem sorted out... I could sell a lot of these bad boys...

love a .28ga. My first gun was a stevens single shot in .28Ga wish I still had it! As to this ammo, What would be the changes of it being pulled from the market? I remember the "black Tallons" ammo being called "cops Killers" and pulled. Just thinking thats all

reply to post by oldshooter1979

I remember the "black Tallons" ammo being called "cops Killers" and pulled. Just thinking thats all

they didnt really get rid of it they just renamed it
“Ranger SXT”
Among shooters, a running joke is that SXT stands for “Same eXact Thing".
the most current version of this same round is the PDX1...
The .40 S&W PDX1 cartridge is the primary service ammunition of the FBI....

I still prefer the .40 Remington Golden Sabers myself

reply to post by GrandpaDave

Ok Cool. I have a box of "black tallons" in .44 Rem. Mag. My home defence weapon. Still, I have a H&R .410 so I may take a look at this round..

This may indeed be very useful for home defense.

I think I'm going to see if they have a 12g version and I'll test them out on some of this ballistic gel I have that has never gotten any use. I'll even film it.

Edit:

Shame on me, I should have read the rest of the thread. Hell, you even have gel test results.

Either way, I'm still gonna get some and put one in a block of gel just to see what happens.