The world does not have to end

2 Chronicles 7:14
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

I believe if more people started repenting, and turned away from there wicked ways we would all be healed and God would give us more time, that is how great he is, that if we all decided to follow him things would start changing, no earthquakes, no radiation... PRAISE THE LORD, people start praying for people to change. God Bless




Any one believe this? I am still seeking him, and by the power of Jesus I am changing, I have asked him, "I am unwilling to change, Jesus please give me that will to change" I got the willing a few days later, it was like a lightswitch, i just wanted to change out of nowhere for him, GOD IS AMAZING! He can do the same for you!!! THERE IS NOTHING IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD!!! (only thing i can say that is impossible for God is idiocy and breaking promises)

The world as we know it will definitely end.

People have started trusting in their wealth, their governments, their military, their technology to save them instead of trusting in God. Soon the arrogance of powerful nations and their leaders will come to an end.

That is the only way to end the oppression of the weak.

Originally posted by dudeguyman
2 Chronicles 7:14
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

the verse you're quoting is in reference to Israel... NOT in reference to the world as a whole.
You can't apply Biblical text allegorically like that, it simply doesn't work. What applies to Israel doesn't apply to mankind in general terms.

Even the verse itself says, "if my people, WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME". This is a promise to the children of Israel, and not to us all.

This world will end, of that there is no doubt. Jesus Himself said it would... and this verse, while true, in no way contradicts or changes that.

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O wow, i am sorry if i offended you or anyone, i am not an avid reader of the bible, how do i delete a post?

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The world does not have to end

She is not going to end. What gives you the belief that she is going to end?
Mother Earth is tough. She has been around for a long time.
She has nothing to worry about.

It is humanity, who is weak. It is us, whom are on the verge of extinction, not her.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
The world as we know it will definitely end.
People have started trusting in their wealth, their governments, their military, their technology to save them instead of trusting in God. Soon the arrogance of powerful nations and their leaders will come to an end.
That is the only way to end the oppression of the weak.

And how do you suppose this "end" will come about?
Are you proposing an apocalypse scenario?
Is your agnostic maybe god going to maybe or maybe not make an end of things?
Just wondering. Is it just too fun of an idea to resist? Or do you have no alternatives you can imagine, such as people taking responsibility for why the world is the way it is?
Have you ever considered that maybe Jesus lived and died for a reason other than to just kill us all, which would have happened anyway, if he had not come?

So you mean, if I just really BELIEVE it, then I can fly?

If I just believe hard enough, I can just jump right out the window and fly? And when I splat to the ground, you can say I just didn't BELIEVE enough?

You can believe nonsense all you want, it does not make it true.

Originally posted by Awen24

Originally posted by dudeguyman
2 Chronicles 7:14
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

the verse you're quoting is in reference to Israel... NOT in reference to the world as a whole.
You can't apply Biblical text allegorically like that, it simply doesn't work. What applies to Israel doesn't apply to mankind in general terms.

Even the verse itself says, "if my people, WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME". This is a promise to the children of Israel, and not to us all.

This world will end, of that there is no doubt. Jesus Himself said it would... and this verse, while true, in no way contradicts or changes that.

Israel=Anyone who decides to follow the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and keep His commandments.

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And how do you suppose this "end" will come about?

I dont know.

All I know is that there has to be an end to this era. It may happen overnight OR it may happen gradually.
Im not one to claim that I have THE correct answer because I just believe I have the correct interpretation of apocalyptic scriptures.

Personally, I believe that humanity will see a time and age when injustice will be defeated and forgotten.

Are you proposing an apocalypse scenario?

I am proposing a scenario that can be "apocalyptic" to some... but will come as a light at the end of the dark tunnel to some.
I do know that the One who runs the universe (therefore all reality, whether percieved by us or not) keeps scores on as to who oppresses and who the the oppressed are. Everyone will get what they deserve in the end.

Is your agnostic maybe god going to maybe or maybe not make an end of things?

What exactly do you mean by "end of things"?
The planet we call "earth" and everything in it? If so, no.
or the way things go about on this planet, i.e lies, deception on the part of those who run this planet? If so, Yes.

Please clarify.

Just wondering. Is it just too fun of an idea to resist? Or do you have no alternatives you can imagine, such as people taking responsibility for why the world is the way it is?

Who exactly do you mean by "people"? There are people who completely understand the ways of this world and manipulate rules/ laws to their advantage. I don't believe they would pass up a chance to make a profit...just to make the world a better place.

Very few even attempt "taking responsibility" and try and make an effort to change things for themselves and those around them.

Have you ever considered that maybe Jesus lived and died for a reason other than to just kill us all, which would have happened anyway, if he had not come?

I dont think Jesus' main mission is to "kill us all". He could be working as an instrument of the One who sent him..and not just out of his own will.

IMO, Jesus is just (and I say "just" in the most respectable way) carrying out orders from the One who sent him.
If he has to attack someone once he returns, it wont be because he feels that he can please a certain group of people who are devoted to him...
I dont believe Jesus plays favorites. And I know for a fact that Jesus does NOT play by the rules humans follow.

Also, I will not claim to understand Jesus 100% just because I can quote the texts which speak of him.
Jesus was VERY different from the prophets who were sent before him.

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Israel=Anyone who decides to follow the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and keep His commandments.

Currently, as in since the coming of Jesus, Israel equals those who believe in and follow Jesus as the Christ. People who do not, are not followers of God, since the will of the Father is for us to believe in His son.

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If he has to attack someone once he returns, it wont be because he feels that he can please a certain group of people who are devoted to him...

This sounds like an apocalypse as I would define one.
I am still thinking of what Pthena asked you the other day, so that is why I was poking at you a bit because I don't remember you giving an adequate answer. That would not normally concern me but it seems you are not too sure about Christianity in general, but are sure about the one part of it which is probably the worst. Or, worst in my current mode of thinking.
You say something here about knowing scripture. Look up the one where John falls down at the feet of the angel. Pretty serious reaction and something that was totally overwhelming to him. He apparently understood the meaning but does anyone else? If you want to know what anything means, then understand that one sentence from the angel.

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you say something here about knowing scripture. Look up the one where John falls down at the feet of the angel. Pretty serious reaction and something that was totally overwhelming to him. He apparently understood the meaning but does anyone else?

You mean the one when John falls down at the angels feet to "worship" him... but the angel stops him and declares himself as a fellow servant... and then instructs him to worship only God?
Well, that simply means God alone must be worshipped.

What is your understanding of that verse?

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Revelation 19:10 KJV
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

"I am of thy brethren, those who have the spirit of prophecy, which is, Jesus, and so it is testified."

This is my alternative reading, after studying what it seems to be saying, from the Greek.
The implication is that Jesus has returned and that thing which made Jesus, Jesus, is in us and we need to fix things to make the world to where there is justice in it. So waiting around for an arrival is really a lack of spirit which does not bother with people who are content to do nothing.

ETA: I seem to have left out the part I was talking about earlier, the thing the angel said that made John throw himself down.
“These are the true words of God.”

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The implication is that Jesus has returned and that thing which made Jesus, Jesus, is in us and we need to fix things to make the world to where there is justice in it. So waiting around for an arrival is really a lack of spirit which does not bother with people who are content to do nothing.

Well, a portion of people simply "wait around" for his arrival.
Another portion of people will actually be part of the final apocalyptic times involving his return.

I must ask again ...

What exactly do you mean by "end of things"? as you said in a previous post....

Please clarify.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n
No, wait a second.
Where do you get all of that?
All the "participating" and "returning" bits?

What exactly do you mean by "end of things"? as you said in a previous post....

do you mean in another thread? Do you mean "the end times" or earlier I said "the last days"?
I had an experience years ago where I had a voice tell me that the time of the end would begin on the sounding of a trumpet by an archangel, and that this event would occur on January 2, 1985, a couple months beyond when I heard this message. I have no idea what that means other than the end times is not something in the future and we have been in them now for over 26 1/2 years. In practical terms, this negates anyone's calculations that they come up with to predict one thing or another, at least in my own mind. Stuff like that is water on a duck's back, to me and I pay it no heed.
To me, the end times is the time of the pouring out of the spirit of prophecy. We may not see it, and this is why we need to think to ourselves that our not seeing it so much somewhere else is the reason why we need it personally because someone else having the spirit is useless to us, if that is what we are waiting for.

Originally posted by dudeguyman
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O wow, i am sorry if i offended you or anyone, i am not an avid reader of the bible, how do i delete a post?

Wow, man... I'm not offended!
Sorry if my post came across that way! You'd have to work a lot harder than that to offend me.

The "End of the World" scenario goes deeper than mere sin and repentence. My suggestion would be that you take a moment to study the Jewish Wedding... it will explain a lot, in terms of God's plan of redemption. Jesus Christ, the groom, has left. He said "I go to prepare a place for you". When that place is prepared and the Father is content that it is ready, the groom will return for His bride (the Church, both Jewish and Gentile).

THAT is the clock that is ticking... not merely the "expiry date" on our planet.

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When that place is prepared and the Father is content that it is ready, the groom will return for His bride

That's a sort of mythology created to rationalize what is going on, into a philosophy of never-never land, to lull you into complacency.
So you have to look at a story book version presented to you, along with a lot of happy-talk and meanwhile completely ignore the real NT Bible teachings.
Paul uses a metaphorical analogy about the church and a bride but never caries it forward in that direction. He does it twice in two different ways, one time actually talking about real life brides, the other, saying the church should be pure like a bride. The idea that Paul built on this to create a bride eschatology is just false.
Jesus said a man leaves his parents to go live with his wife, and never makes any sort of analogy which the enemies of Christ present to fool you.
Revelation is a source for bride mining but it is an empty hole. So what is left is nothing but make-believe to make you believe in something which is never going to happen.
Revelation says,The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!"
What you need to understand is that these are two things which are linked together that is the work of making a person into what Jesus is calling you to become.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
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When that place is prepared and the Father is content that it is ready, the groom will return for His bride

That's a sort of mythology created to rationalize what is going on, into a philosophy of never-never land, to lull you into complacency.
So you have to look at a story book version presented to you, along with a lot of happy-talk and meanwhile completely ignore the real NT Bible teachings.
Paul uses a metaphorical analogy about the church and a bride but never caries it forward in that direction. He does it twice in two different ways, one time actually talking about real life brides, the other, saying the church should be pure like a bride. The idea that Paul built on this to create a bride eschatology is just false.
Jesus said a man leaves his parents to go live with his wife, and never makes any sort of analogy which the enemies of Christ present to fool you.
Revelation is a source for bride mining but it is an empty hole. So what is left is nothing but make-believe to make you believe in something which is never going to happen.
Revelation says,The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!"
What you need to understand is that these are two things which are linked together that is the work of making a person into what Jesus is calling you to become.

edit on 1-10-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Ah, yes. You're right, "Jesus never makes any sort of analogy..." regarding the Bride/Groom scenario... so the parable of the ten virgins is... what, an epic misprint?

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Ah, yes. You're right, "Jesus never makes any sort of analogy..." regarding the Bride/Groom scenario... so the parable of the ten virgins is... what, an epic misprint?

Nothing like what you were talking about, otherwise you would be quoting it, rather than employing sarcasm. I did some google searching and did not find a page where people promoting your philosophy quote the NT.

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many will just sit and wait around.. like you said....
wait for a hero to arrive in the skies and save them while they stay glued to the TV, eat a hot meal..... and post here.

Then there will others who are destined to be involved full time in this event. They will (hopefully not) watch their loved ones get blown to bits and pieces.... while fighting on..... simply because they believe they HAVE TO fight.