No third party candidate is going to win, why throw away your vote on one one?

Originally posted by goose
I'm not totally against some of the things listed by the libertarian party like legalizing drugs (especially marijuana, no I don't toke but if it were legal I might) and emptying out our prisons for people there on drug only charges. I could see doing this it would help our farmers have a legal cash crop and the money that we would reap in taxes would be enough probably to give us all a health care programs similar to Canada's.

The government makes far more money busting people for marijuana than they would making it legal, who would buy it? Personally, I would be the world's most dedicated gardener!

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Originally posted by mako0956
That's your option.

I would rather vote Kerry IN and Bush OUT, than sit around wiping my @$$ with my vote! (Besides, those ballots cards are a little stiff)

I'd be worried about where those hanging chads would end up!!!!!

We could send them to Bush to write his memoirs on.......ewwwwwwwwwww!

Seriously, though. I agree with Mako and the others. Now is too late to try to get a third party candidate elected. You can't start from the top and work down. Start electing third party people to the local positions and eventually it will reach critical mass.

good idea Mako!!!!!!


Glad i'm not a mailman!!

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by goose
I'm not totally against some of the things listed by the libertarian party like legalizing drugs (especially marijuana, no I don't toke but if it were legal I might) and emptying out our prisons for people there on drug only charges. I could see doing this it would help our farmers have a legal cash crop and the money that we would reap in taxes would be enough probably to give us all a health care programs similar to Canada's.

The government makes far more money busting people for marijuana than they would making it legal, who would buy it? Personally, I would be the world's most dedicated gardener!

[edit on 27-8-2004 by 27jd]

LOL, Now you know they would make it illegal to grow your own, it would still be the same on that. I'm from the hills and once found an old still (sp) for making moonshine stashed away in the mountains as a child. As a matter of fact I have an uncle who was murdered by revenuers.

Originally posted by Montana
Seriously, though. I agree with Mako and the others. Now is too late to try to get a third party candidate elected. You can't start from the top and work down. Start electing third party people to the local positions and eventually it will reach critical mass.

That's what I've tried explaining to the third party die-hards on several occasions, but they won't hear it. I say we cast our vote for President in a manner which it can make a tangible difference in our lives, now. Then enact change by electing from the ground up, they want to build the roof before the foundation. I'm afraid Mako is right, pretty much everybody's mind is made up at this point, I doubt we can get them on the "get Bush the hell out of there" bandwagon, hopefully there are enough of us who want change NOW, to vote Kerry in, then we can start working on getting HIM out of office and replacing the two party system.



[edit on 27-8-2004 by 27jd]

What yall dont understand is we dont want kerry either why vote for the OTHER one we cant stand

We dont see a mouth full of spits difference between the two

Originally posted by 27jd
I doubt we can get them on the "get Bush the hell out of there" bandwagon, hopefully there are enough of us who want change NOW, to vote Kerry in, then we can start working on getting HIM out of office and replacing the two party system.

[edit on 27-8-2004 by 27jd]

The trouble with this is they will be using the same arguement to get Kerry out of office 4 years from now

We just keep swatting the ball back and forth sooner or later you got to say screw this I aint playing this game anymore

[edit on 27-8-2004 by Amuk]

Originally posted by goose
LOL, Now you know they would make it illegal to grow your own, it would still be the same on that. I'm from the hills and once found an old still (sp) for making moonshine stashed away in the mountains as a child. As a matter of fact I have an uncle who was murdered by revenuers.

In THAT case I guess I would have to buy it. It's really wierd, but here in AZ they passed a law that you could possess marijuana, but you had to buy a stamp from the government for each ounce, our @$$hole Sheriff Arpaio said he would still arrest people stamps or not, then the issue just kind of faded and I haven't heard anything about it since, it was a few years ago, I wonder if the Feds stepped in and repealed the vote.

Third party candidates need your support and your dedication to their party. People like you will be the people who will make the diifference- and get them into office, when the time is right.

After this election, continue to support them. Get the word out. Become involved in local government. You've got 4 years to get some awareness going for the candidate/party of your choice, and help get them elected to local government.

If more third party supporters did this, then it should be an easy task to introduce third party candidates as the "people's choice" party on a level playing field with the Republicans or Democrats.

Until then, we're stuck with the majorities Republican or Democratic nominee's.

Now is the time to start work on the local level with thought to 4 yrs from now. However, I feel it is also a good idea to limit the damage until then. One way (probably the only way) is to ensure that none of the major candidates serve more than one term apiece. Vote GW out and limit the damage. At the very least it will take Kerry several months to get settled in.

Voting for a third party in this election will most likely have the simple effect of leaving the status quo.

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by goose
LOL, Now you know they would make it illegal to grow your own, it would still be the same on that. I'm from the hills and once found an old still (sp) for making moonshine stashed away in the mountains as a child. As a matter of fact I have an uncle who was murdered by revenuers.

In THAT case I guess I would have to buy it. It's really wierd, but here in AZ they passed a law that you could possess marijuana, but you had to buy a stamp from the government for each ounce, our @$$hole Sheriff Arpaio said he would still arrest people stamps or not, then the issue just kind of faded and I haven't heard anything about it since, it was a few years ago, I wonder if the Feds stepped in and repealed the vote.

I agree your sheriff is a pinhead. My son keeps telling me that way back in the day when pot was a legal crop and then they changed the law they told the farmers to come in and register their crops that they were planted when it was legal and when they did they arrested them and threw them in jail. Don't know how true this is, I know my son is telling the truth but don't know his source, you ever hear anything about this?

Very interesting concept they voted for out there. This would probrably the closest we'll ever see marijuanna being "legalized".

They can't tax it, anyone can grow it and the government can't make any money by legalizing it nor can they control it.

Alcohol can be taxed, regulated and people are subject to arrests, fines and fee's.

Did you know up until a few years ago, people were able to claim alcohol as a handicap and collect monies for sitting around being an alcoholic through SSI? (I believe it was during the Clinton presidency this was changed).

Talk about insanity.

NO matter how much I dislike Kerry, I would never vote for him to replace GW. Just not going to happen. I would write in John McCain before voting for Kerry. I would go into a 2 day drunken stupor and completely miss the election before I would vote for Kerry. The man did enough damage to our country back in '71. Why give him another chance to completely gut and demoralize our military. No sir, Uhn, Uh, Not happening. Not while I'm drawing breath.

I can see where your coming from Phreak, but can the country stand another four yrs of GW either?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

This totally reminds me of the simpsons where the 2 aliens (Kodos and Kang) run for President after capturing Clinton and Dole(?).

Kodos:"You can't stop us now Humans, it's a 2 party system! Hahaha"
Kang: "What are you going to do? Vote 3rd party!? Go ahead, throw your vote away! Hahahahahah!"

later in episode while humans are enslaved...
Homer: "Dont blame me, I voted for Kang"

Originally posted by Montana
I can see where your coming from Phreak, but can the country stand another four yrs of GW either?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Would you rather have the Jimmy Carter years back? You can't compare Kerry to Clinton, at least Clinton was a bit more moderate, but Kerry is more interested in what's best for the international community. Those aren't my interests.

Originally posted by mako0956
Very interesting concept they voted for out there. This would probrably the closest we'll ever see marijuanna being "legalized".

They can't tax it, anyone can grow it and the government can't make any money by legalizing it nor can they control it.

Alcohol can be taxed, regulated and people are subject to arrests, fines and fee's.

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At one time people made moonshine just as easily as people grow marijuana, probably less trouble and less time consuming. People sold it too and made money off it. Lots of businesses bought it too instead of buying the higher priced government taxed boose. all the things you are saying about how marijuana can't be used by our gov. to make money off of they said about liquor. It can be done, they kill you for having a still often enough and your neighbors figure it is not worth making moonshine. so what would happen is this if they legalized growing pot, only a select few would be allowed to grow it, then the government would tax it very high (no pun intended) LOL. If you attempted to grow your own or grow some for sale you would go to jail and lose everyhting you own or be killed just like they killed moonshiners back in the day. As I said before my Uncle was killed for being a moonshiner,he wasn't he was just visiting the guy who had the still set up getting himself a free drink but they killed him anyway. Now you may think this is back in the eons but really it was not that long ago my Uncle was murdered on Jan.11, 1949.

They can't control it- keyword: CONTROL.

Alcohol is regulated today, we aren't in the days of prohibition anymore.

Sure, people still make stills to produce their moonshine, but more stills/labs are made to cook up methamphetamine today, not alcohol.

I'm not sure of your point in that last post, but we are a long way away from government legalizing marijuanna.



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