France threatens military action against Iran

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by nake13

 

In the 1930's, before the reoccupation of the Rhineland, French military technology was superior to that of Germany. France had more tanks, and better tanks. That changed later, but the reason that the Germans rolled over the French was a doctrinal one. The way the Germans used their forces was superior to the way the French used what they had. France planned to re-fight WWI. Germany had other ideas.

Yes I quite agree,France,certainly in the field of aviation,were one of the foremost designers of modern combat aircraft,unfortunately,as you state,having superior technology does not guarantee success against an oponent whose tactics are superior,as the Germans found out for themselves on the Eastern front where their much vaunted tiger tanks were basically shredded by the soviet T-34 s and ilyushin il2 shturmoviks,in that instance quantity over quality certainly won through.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
France: "Well, we've been a few years without a land war in Asia..."

I remember how well it worked out for them the last few times too. Lesse: WWI, WWII, Indochina... Have I left out any wars the French haven't needed us to clean up after and save their butts? I was just remembering a line from the movie "Last of the Mohicans."

Kindly inform Major Heyward that he has little to fear from this General Marquis de Montcalm in the first place; and scant need of a colonial militia in the second because the French haven't the nature for war. Their Gallic laziness combines with their Latinate voluptuousness with the result that they would rather eat and make love with their faces than fight.

That about sum it up?

I fear that, once again, if France starts something we'll have to finish it.

Oh Vitchilio... Did you really just call Obama a Zionist?



ETA: Oh, and we had Cornwallis beat BEFORE the French showed up with their ships; so don't anyone bring the Revolutionary War into it either. And the only reason the helped us at all, after years of waffling, was because they knew they could stick it to the English without much risk.

reply to post by OldCorp


Yes and we all know the Americans were SO brave in the 2nd world war helping us fight against hitler as soon as # got real. The only reason you intervened is because pearl harbor got bombed to #, typical American thinking "we did all the work we take all the glory" xD seriously get your head out of the cave you put it in and start talking sense i think things have changed a little since world war 2? or don't you know about modern tactics and weaponry? Yeah that's what I thought.

Seems to me France is growing a pair of testicles, FINALLY!, but like OldCorp said hopefully we aren't the ones finishing up something we never started.

I for one love the French. (And smashed sandwiches in Toulon.) They threw my boat a couple of party's that to this day I wish I could remember. Man that mash at the O-Club was the bomb!

But I do remember this. The bartender was navy. Was doing an 18 month hitch. He said all French men serve some time. I wish the US did this. They might not be "career warriors" but they do learn command and control functions. That way when the SHTF it would be easier to organize.

You go Frenchies. Support you all the way. I got your back.

Originally posted by rationaluser
reply to post by OldCorp

 

Yes and we all know the Americans were SO brave in the 2nd world war helping us fight against hitler as soon as # got real. The only reason you intervened is because pearl harbor got bombed to #, typical American thinking "we did all the work we take all the glory" xD seriously get your head out of the cave you put it in and start talking sense i think things have changed a little since world war 2? or don't you know about modern tactics and weaponry? Yeah that's what I thought.

Because you did soooooo well before we showed up. I am sure it was only a matter of time before you wore the Nazi's down. I think you need a serious clue. US industrial might won WWII. It was not our technology, which was inferior to Nazi Germany in the beginning; it definitely was not our doctrinal superiority. We beat the Germans by building ships faster than the U-Boats could sink them. One panzer might defeat 5 American tanks, but we always had that 6th tank. We supplied arms and equipment to all of the Allies(Canada helped especially with trucks). The USA in WWII out produced the ENTIRE friggin world. That is how WE won WWII. How about all you guys in Europe repaying the American taxpayer for all the Lend Lease aid and the Marshall plan rebuilding of your nations?

What the # is it with this France threat towards Iran ???
It is a declaration of War nonetheless !
Are they completely mad, wasn't there a better solution than military threat, seriously ??
(I'm french btw)

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Erm... Let's put down your American textbook for a moment and consider France has 2000 + years experience of wars. People learn from defeat (and yes they have lost a lot) - but this is the 21st century. Don't forget it was the French who saved you Americans from us British!

France showed up only after we showed we could be a credible threat to the British in North America. If the French do "learn from defeat" they must be the smartest nation in the world by now. I am trying to think, what wars have the French won since Waterloo?

Originally posted by mr-lizardDon't forget that France / Britain are now sharing weaponry and defensive tactics / equipment - and France also has a high conscription rate and a fairly high military expenditure. Don't forget the foreign legion either or the fact that France were the first to attack Libya.

France holds a lot more power than it did in the WWII era.

Ok, so the British are teaching the French how to fight. That does give the French "Some" credibility, since the British are with the Americans.

I really haven't looked into current French military doctrine. Has it changed from "surrender immediately"?

P.S : if you want to start some "my d... country is bigger than yours", just spare us and create a new topic. Thanks.

Originally posted by nake13

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Ellis1234

 

FRANCE?!?!?!?!?!

Ok, ok. Let me look at this.................FRANCE?!?!?!?!?!?!

Yeah, I believe that.

France wouldn't know what to do if found in such an engagement.

I am reminded of the old anecdote "Want to buy a French rifle. Never been shot and only dropped once".

But, seriously. If they do follow through with this, expect the UN and *Sigh* the US to be right behind them, pushing them back into the battle as they scurry away.

France.

OK get your point,but to be fair,the French have come a long long way from being the" cheese eating surrender monkeys" that we know and love! at least their military hardware would lead you to believe so,but I suppose the proof will be in the pudding,the hardware is only of any use if the operators are up to it after all!

That was my point.
That, and the fact that being the largest, in terms of weight, has nothing to do with being the best.
And they do have advanced hardware.

"Cheese eating surrender monkeys", now that is funny.

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Ellis1234

 

FRANCE?!?!?!?!?!

Ok, ok. Let me look at this.................FRANCE?!?!?!?!?!?!

Yeah, I believe that.

France wouldn't know what to do if found in such an engagement.

I am reminded of the old anecdote "Want to buy a French rifle. Never been shot and only dropped once".

But, seriously. If they do follow through with this, expect the UN and *Sigh* the US to be right behind them, pushing them back into the battle as they scurry away.

France.

Erm... Let's put down your American textbook for a moment and consider France has 2000 + years experience of wars. People learn from defeat (and yes they have lost a lot) - but this is the 21st century. Don't forget it was the French who saved you Americans from us British!

Don't forget that France / Britain are now sharing weaponry and defensive tactics / equipment - and France also has a high conscription rate and a fairly high military expenditure. Don't forget the foreign legion either or the fact that France were the first to attack Libya.

France holds a lot more power than it did in the WWII era.

You'd be well to do some research before plonking a lot of exclamation marks (!) and smilies

across your post, if indeed you wish to be taken seriously.

The French SAVED the US? Are you sure??
I do seem to recall that the French assisted the US during the Revolution, but were kind of late to the party as well.

Helped? Yes.
Saved?? Hardly.

I do believe the American Indian hand France its ass on the same soil.

Let’s look at this again :

In the beginning of September, Sarkozy commented :
(Iran’s) “military, nuclear and ballistic ambitions constitute a growing threat that may lead to a preventive attack against Iranian sites that would provoke a major crisis that France wants to avoid at all costs”.

He did not say WHO might do this preventive attack.

At that same time,
US Vice President Dick Cheney said he believed Israel would attack Iran to prevent it from achieving nuclear weapons capacity.

Cheney points at Israel as the potential "preventative attacker"

Asked what would happen if Iran reaches the threshold of a nuclear weapon, Araud said: "Personally I am convinced that some countries won't accept this prospect."
"If we don't succeed today to reach a negotiation with the Iranians, there is a strong risk of military action," Ambassador Gerard Araud said on Tuesday

He does not say France will do this. I would think that if the country he is an ambassador of was threatening to do this, he would have more than a "personal conviction" about "some countries", no?

Who are they talking about? WHO might attack Iran if they don't listen up and stop this program?

The United States and Israel have refused to rule out military action to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.


Being worried about someone attacking someone, and saying so, doesn't mean you are the one threatening to do it.

Everyone is aware there is a risk of the US and Israel attacking Iran- you know it, I know it, all the people in my little village in France know it. It is silly to decide that the first one to say it outloud will be pointed at as the threat.
It's like farting in a group of people and saying "he who smelt it, dealt it!" It's hypocritical.




editted to add-
Though France is pushing as hard as it can avoid an attack by Israel and the USA, it will support and take part in one if they do it. Last night one of my husbands best friends, who is a general in the french air force and just got back from coordinating operations in Libya announced to us that he and his family are moving to Pensacola- because he will be working with the Americans in coordinating french and american joint military operations.

They don't like fighting, it's true..... they are an older country, and their fighting days were way before the US was born.... their battles and victories are many in history. Everyone gets to an age when they feel they'd rather enjoy life than spending their time in battles. But they are not powerless, nor do they refuse to take part when it is necessary.
I wish some people would get over the one time they didn't see our reasons for one as valid or necessary! We now know they were RIGHT.... they don't shove that in our face every minute, so let's drop it, shall we?
The french bashing fest was spurred by Bush, because it served his purposes at the time. But our country has moved on and it is no longer useful, so why not stop it now?

Humour..

By john cleese



ALERTS TO THREATS IN 2011 EUROPE: BY JOHN CLEESE

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability.

The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Libya and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome " to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

The Scots / Irish have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."

The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbor" and "Lose."

Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels..

Originally posted by kineticdamage
What the # is it with this France threat towards Iran ???
It is a declaration of War nonetheless !
Are they completely mad, wasn't there a better solution than military threat, seriously ??
(I'm french btw)

edit on 29-9-2011 by kineticdamage because: (no reason given)

Have you taken the time to search for another source other than Russia Today?

It is a misleading headline. See following. Russia Today has just gone for the direct headline without highlighting that the French Ambassador is suggesting that other countries will act before Iran achieves nuclear weapons status.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

TJ

I'll put $50 on Iran.

They are obviously pointing at Israel striking Iran.

Iran nuclear drive heightens risk of strike: France

Asked what would happen if Iran reaches the threshold of a nuclear weapon, Araud said: "Personally I am convinced that some countries won't accept this prospect."

"If we don't succeed today to reach a negotiation with the Iranians, there is a strong risk of military action," according to Araud, who did not say who would be likely to carry out such action.

Israeli bunker-busters cause Mideast alarm

Meir Dagan, director of Israel's foreign intelligence service until he stepped down in January, said commanders who opposed any attack on Iran because of the regional firestorm it would detonate have been dismissed.

He said Netanyahu and Barak were intent on plunging Israel into "a dangerous military adventure in Iran" that was certain to trigger a regional war that would ultimately threaten Israel's existence.

Dagan told one interviewer: "I decided to speak because when I was in office, Diskin, Ashkenazi and I could block any dangerous adventure. Now I'm afraid there's no one to stop Bibi (Netanyahu) and Barak."

"Netanyahu is completely serious in his desire. And in his preparations to circumvent the warnings of the entire defense establishment in order to implement this desire, which many of those in his inner circle have defined as messianic: to attack Iran before winter," one Haaretz commentary observed.

Bibi is a nut.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by rationaluser
reply to post by OldCorp

 

Yes and we all know the Americans were SO brave in the 2nd world war helping us fight against hitler as soon as # got real. The only reason you intervened is because pearl harbor got bombed to #, typical American thinking "we did all the work we take all the glory" xD seriously get your head out of the cave you put it in and start talking sense i think things have changed a little since world war 2? or don't you know about modern tactics and weaponry? Yeah that's what I thought.

Because you did soooooo well before we showed up. I am sure it was only a matter of time before you wore the Nazi's down.

I think you need a serious clue. US industrial might won WWII. It was not our technology, which was inferior to Nazi Germany in the beginning; it definitely was not our doctrinal superiority. We beat the Germans by building ships faster than the U-Boats could sink them. One panzer might defeat 5 American tanks, but we always had that 6th tank. We supplied arms and equipment to all of the Allies(Canada helped especially with trucks). The USA in WWII out produced the ENTIRE friggin world. That is how WE won WWII. How about all you guys in Europe repaying the American taxpayer for all the Lend Lease aid and the Marshall plan rebuilding of your nations?

WOAH WOAH WOAH BACK THE # UP
Ok lets see here
Defeat Luftwaffe in battle of britain, check vs defend one harbour...lol
do absolutley nothing for 4 years and claim you single handedly defeated the nazi's LMFAO do you know how many russians died in Stalingrad? hell i bet you dont even know what stalingrad was.
the germans were surrendering to you americans because they feared Russian gulags, rape and retribution and why? because stalingrad was hell on earth for months on end the russians defected midwar and do they get any credit... NOPE becuse muricah did it all... /rolleyes without the russian support you would have had no victory or at the very least it would have been postponed by a long way. Oh and by the way it was england who invented the tank so yeah suck it.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Ellis1234

 

FRANCE?!?!?!?!?!

Ok, ok. Let me look at this.................FRANCE?!?!?!?!?!?!

Yeah, I believe that.

France wouldn't know what to do if found in such an engagement.

I am reminded of the old anecdote "Want to buy a French rifle. Never been shot and only dropped once".

But, seriously. If they do follow through with this, expect the UN and *Sigh* the US to be right behind them, pushing them back into the battle as they scurry away.

France.

OMG, I laughed my as# off and spit out my burger in the process oh really, FRANCE? If france took iran on alone, it would be so devastated and in a land of confusion. I think they better keep their mouth shut. www.youtube.com... he,he,he,he

reply to post by Ellis1234


4 million Baguette Swords & Molative cocktails.

nice.

Originally posted by Ellis1234
This news article caught my eye, seemed quite interesting.
France have threatened military action against Iran unless its stops continuing its nucleaur program.

"If we don't succeed today to reach a negotiation with the Iranians, there is a strong risk of military action,"

Seems to me like Iran has came up a lot in recent mainstream media and on here, wonder why?
What could this lead to? Another war against Iran? Only time will tell.

Your move Iran.

Source: rt.com...

Sorry wrong forum again. Move please.

edit on 28-9-2011 by Ellis1234 because: wrong forum

edit on 28-9-2011 by Ellis1234 because: source needed

Thats going to be funny. How is France supposed to commit to military action? With what military? They couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. This is the same country who started the Vietnam war and left the U.S. holding the bag where we lost over 50,000 of our boys. France has had a reputation for starting sh*t and then running away when the heat gets too hot. This is also the same pacifist country that mocks the U.S. and talks smack behind our backs during peace keeping missions while they sit back and drink chardoney and commit no manpower to the effort.