Monkey has started walking on its hind legs after a near death experience

Wooha! seems like this monkey had some sort of spiritual experencie.

Link to msnbc article

I never heard of this before. Very interesting

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Maybe some kind of weird...side affect lasting from her stomach ailment?


I don't know. yeah, cool.

Originally posted by coolism
Wooha! seems like this monkey had some sort of spiritual experencie.

Link to msnbc article

I never heard of this before. Very interesting

ive heard of it before
i think they call them humans or something

Maybe they should try her with a pad and some pens. You never know.

Or, she might just have a sore tummy.


I think somone should invent a NDE machine and make everyone have a go on it. We might end up with a more civilised population.

Im not sure where the idea of a 'spiritual experience' comes from,
Brain Damage or Pain seem more likely IMO

pretty cool movie about NDE's.


en.wikipedia.org...

trailer;





but there are stories of life changes after one of these nde's.

The spiritual experience comes from looking at humans Very often people describe a spritual experience when they had an NDE. I myself believe that monkey's have a soul. What we see with humans that have the courage to tell what happened after a NDE is often not recorded. Often years later they come out because the fear of being ridiculed is so high.

A very respected MD : Pim van Lommel, lead researcher of the largest hospital-based NDE study about the implications of near-death experiences is convinced that NDE's are as real as you looking at the screen right now.

A couple of links with his information:
iands.org...

nl.wikipedia.org...

Missing link.. Haha.. Perhaps it takes near death experience and a heightend sense of awareness..

Check it out it's rise of the planet of the apes

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This is a much older article.

I'm pretty sure it's already been posted on here. Recall seeing it once.

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"I've never seen or heard of this before," said Horowitz. One possible explanation is brain damage from the illness, he said.

Perhaps wallking upright is not evolution, but de-evolution. Monkeys are stronger and more agile than us, so if walking upright is possibly caused by brain damage, perhaps we are not "improvements" over the monkey after all?

Speaking of NDE. My ex-mother-in-law worked many, many years in nursing homes, and she watched a lot of people pass away. She said all of them fall into 1 of 2 categories. Either they gently let go, and smile and sigh as they pass, and often talk of their loved ones, or see their loved ones as they go. OR they grimace and writh and fight it, and clasp at the bed, and don't want to go. Sometimes even shrieking or crying.

I don't want a NDE. I want to die one time only, and I want it to be tragic and sudden and I want blood involved. I do not plan to die in a bed, unless it is some married woman's bed with a jealous husband, LOL! Most people want to go out in their sleep, but that actually keeps me awake at night. I can't imagine dying without an opportunity to fight for my life.

I dont see how this is an NDE.....she had trouble breathing, and her heart wasnt 100%....i thought an NDE was when you actually died...but were brought back...ie, pronounced clinically dead, and resuscitated.

There is nothing remotely paranormal with this case.

Im sure there are lots of monkeys and apes that walk like this if they have underlying health issues (stomach, back etc). The ones in the zoo's are cared for...the ones in the wild arent, so id imagine if you looked hard enough you would see this time and time again.

My cat can walk on her hind legs, does that mean she could be the missing link???

The article was from 2004...i bet she is walking like a normal monkey now she has healed.

EDIT: I think its shocking the posts here are actually FAR longer than the entire OP

www.primarilyprimates.org...

And there's Oliver, a chimpanzee that walks upright

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RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES!!!

YOU DAMN DIRTY APES!!!

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I was thinking take everyone in their early teens and make them do a two week survival tour in massive nature reserves. Just the being alone in the dark forest for so long would straiten anyone up and make them tougher and appreciate modern day society. Have to learn to do thing for yourself. I used to do this often.

Hmm.. Remember this?

well they would need a whole remake of physiology to walk up right.

bone structure of the pelvis and spine and legs, not to mention muscles.

plus feet, ankles and all.

Rant at video:
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47 chromosomes (in the video) as the reason to exploit this animal as the missing link? Are/were we really this uneducated?

Foxes have varying numbers of chromosomes, and that doesn't change the fact that they're foxes:

Of particular interest are domestic dogs and wolves of the genus canis. They have 78 chromosomes while foxes have a varied number from 38-78 chromosomes. The uniformity of chromosome number in canid dogs can be due to free interbreeding over a wide range, whereas foxes live in small family groups and smaller territories so that new arrangements will persist.

Here And it's not the only species that has this: Here. It includes the Common Shrew, Nothern Shortial Shrew, the Egyptian Gerbil, the commercially bred Silver Fox, while the paper is about Harvest Mice.

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I wonder if the upright walkers are double jointed (hypermobile)?Wiki

These abnormalities cause abnormal distribution of wear and tear on joints, meaning that the joints wear out and can lead to osteoarthritis.

Discovery Health

Out of every 100 random audience members, about three people in it will have features that we commonly call double-jointed [source: Elliott].

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This ability must be honed in order to maintain it, though, whether you're a concert pianist or just a hypermobile hobbyist. If you have extra range of motion, you must keep your joints limber through regular stretching, or some of that ability may be lost as you age.

On the other hand (the extra-bendy one), hypermobility often comes with a steep price. There is an increased risk of arthritis in hypermobile joints, especially fingers. There may be extreme pain felt in many different joints, especially in younger people who are going through rapid growth spurts. Although some athletes may benefit from hypermobility, other people with hypermobile joints are more vulnerable to injuries. Several different but related conditions that cause pain or discomfort are grouped under the umbrella term hypermobility syndrome (HMS). To be clear, having joints with hypermobility doesn't mean you have HMS -- only if it's the source of chronic ­pain, which occurs in a minority of people with hypermobile joints. However, if you do suffer from HMS, there is a 1-in-2 chance your offspring will as well [source: Grahame].

Interestingly, if you can do things like put both feet behind your head and walk around on hyperextended arms while swinging your upper body between your elbows, local anesthetics may not be as effective on you as your less flexible compatriots. Research has indicated that local anesthetics seem to have little or no effect on many hypermobile people, something you may want to mention to your doctor if you have a medical procedure or pregnancy approaching.

I can personally attest to this being true. I am losing some range-of motion, and I show signs of early arthritis. As far as the pain, with a really bad headache, it can take up to 1000 mg of Aspirin or Acetaminophen. Thankfully I have a pretty high tolerance for pain, so I usually ignore what pills don't fix.

It leads me to a lot of questions:
Can hypermobility's wear and tear on joints be disitinguised from bones that have extra wear and tear due to age? Has anyone kept/has plans to keep the bones of "hypermobile" apes when they died/are dead to check against fossilized bones to see if the wear is similar in our "missing links"? I mean, we're told Lucy walked upright, but do her bones look like an ape's that walked upright, or a human that walked upright? Or is the wear consistent with a mammal that walked on it's knuckles? Do we have enough of her joints to prove anything with?

well it seems the secret of bipedalism in primates has been discovered

2 million years some of our ancestors got stomach flu and ..viola! upright walking humans!

I can't see how the two are connected (stomach and then ability to walk). I'm no med student, but I don't see a stomach virus would travel to the brain and bypass the Blood-Brain Barrier (BBB). The brain is VERY exclusive as to what it lets in.

Maybe standing allows her mid section to open up and it is less constricting and painful after the virus. And like everyone else said she has seen human's walk, monkey learn.

And yea to that monkey it may be a spiritual moment, it gives the monkey a different perspective then other monkeys. I'm willing to bet if you put her with other monkeys and she did that a) she conforms and goes back to hands on the ground or b) other monkeys begin to imitate her, standing on her hind legs.

Interesting find OP.