Why the Hell is this Sh** allowed on BTS?

I'm sick and tired of all these Bush hating threads. I mean, seriously if you want a good debate, and you state your opinions in a way that is to be debated, fine by me. People can have opinions, but it's threads like this Bush Haters
that are seriously starting to make me mad. I mean, it starts off as a small joke and evolves into yet another Bush bashing thread, complete with illustrations! It's really starting to offend me. I don't mind a good debate, but things like this aren't there to be debated, they're there simply to bash Bush. Mods, I think you should really just start taking down threads like this. Why in the world is it in the political debate section? That's not a debate. That's not anything even CLOSE to a debate. There are no facts presented, no intelligent conversations, just...mindless insults.

That's a pro-Bush post.

communistsforkerry.com... is a joke site against Kerry.

It was moved from Politics & Scandals to Political Debate because it was a joke site more worthy of BTS. The only reason it wasn't sent to Jokes, Pranks and Puns immediately was it had the potential for drawing a political debate from the satirical message of the site.

If posters haven't done that...or all got the wrong idea like you did...or decided to respond to Kerry jokes with Bush jokes...oh well. Still no harm done. It's a restricted forum. Best place for it I imagine.

Yeah, but like you said, all the posters turned it into an anti-Bush thing. Just mindless insults and things against Bush. PrankMonkey took away 20 points from a member for putting something in the thread that didn't contribute.

[Edited on 26-8-2004 by Herman]

If you dont like the thread dont read it... i dont like bush but i avoid the pure bush bashing threads, because, as you said, they rarely have any intelligent content. But it does give me pleasure knowing that so many people dont like bush... the sad thing is, they all like Kerry... sure he's the lesser of two evils, but honestly i dont think Kerry's any better...

So juts ignore the threads you dont like, especially if you know its going to be another mindless political thread frequented by people who couldnt tell a tyrant from a t-rex if it bit their heads off

Hey, thats whay it's called FREEDOM OF SPEECH.... they have the right to Bash him, just like you got the right to complain about it...either live with it, or go live in some Autocratic society where they just shoot those that speak thier minds.

Originally posted by thethrall_nb
Hey, thats whay it's called FREEDOM OF SPEECH.... they have the right to Bash him, just like you got the right to complain about it...either live with it, or go live in some Autocratic society where they just shoot those that speak thier minds.

Yeah, that's all well and good, until you remember that it's a POLITICAL DEBATE section. If I were to go into the dreams section, and reply to one of the posts by talking about my favorite kind of food, my post would probably be removed.

I really dont see why it bothers you so much... is it because your conservative and realise that there is alot more liberal support out there?

If you dont like the thread just ignore it and get in with life

Originally posted by Herman
I'm sick and tired of all these Bush hating threads. I mean, seriously if you want a good debate, and you state your opinions in a way that is to be debated, fine by me. People can have opinions, but it's threads like this Bush Haters
that are seriously starting to make me mad. I mean, it starts off as a small joke and evolves into yet another Bush bashing thread, complete with illustrations! It's really starting to offend me. I don't mind a good debate, but things like this aren't there to be debated, they're there simply to bash Bush. Mods, I think you should really just start taking down threads like this. Why in the world is it in the political debate section? That's not a debate. That's not anything even CLOSE to a debate. There are no facts presented, no intelligent conversations, just...mindless insults.

Fairenough Herman- but like specialasianX said- if you dont like it dont read it.

I dont have great feelings for Bush either- but i tend to ignore posts about him ( i have to admit i have posted a couple of times when i first started- but it ends up in aurguments and yes mindless comments)

It shouldnt bother you so much- just dont go on those posts!!

To end your pent up frustrations, I suggest you start playing:

Well I'd vote against Bush, but since I'm in the UK I can't. So we have to make do with "bashing" him. Don't worry, we'll stop once he's out of office.

Originally posted by specialasianX
I really dont see why it bothers you so much... is it because your conservative and realise that there is alot more liberal support out there?

If you dont like the thread just ignore it and get in with life

No, it's not just because I'm a conservative. I've always known that there are FAR more liberals on this site than conservatives. It's a conspiracy site, liberal fan base right there. What pisses me off, like I said, is the mindless crap that they spew out. No intelligent argument, just BASHING. Pictures, jokes, etc. I mean, I'm all up for debates. I can tell you why Bush is a good president. I can tell you why I support him. Most of you won't listen, because you don't wanna change your opinions, but I can tell you. That's not what those threads allow. And people in the UK....I'm sorry, but it's not fair to be bashing our president, as you probably don't hear enough about him. Even the media in the U.S. is liberally bias.... If I'm generalizing, and you research him alot, or have been to American recently and seen for yourself...please tell me. If not, don't form opinions based on what that mass majority thinks. This thread is about those stupid threads that just insult him...I don't really want to start a debate in it's own, but I just think they shouldn't let those, as they are off topic, and non-sensical. I know it's been over-done..but DENY IGNORANCE, that's what this site is about.

[Edited on 27-8-2004 by Herman]

Originally posted by Herman
And people in the UK....I'm sorry, but it's not fair to be bashing our president, as you probably don't hear enough about him. Even the media in the U.S. is liberally bias.... If I'm generalizing, and you research him alot, or have been to American recently and seen for yourself...please tell me. If not, don't form opinions based on what that mass majority thinks. [Edited on 27-8-2004 by Herman]

Well (off the top of my head) there's the illegal, ill thought out war in Iraq, the lies about WMD, the fact that he is totally unqualified to be president, he can't debate to save his life, he freely admits to not reading newspapers and relying on "advisors" for information, the fact that he has utterly trashed the US image abroad, the fact he hasn't got the guts to face or debate with his detractors, the way he likes to play war hero by dressing up in military uniforms when he dodged military service himself, that fact that he thinks he is due "respect" for just being the president(call me Mr President you cheeky upstart journalist), the fact that he drops his allies in the #, can't string a coherent sentence together without the use of cue cards, the fact that he revels in is self proclaimed role as "war president", the fact that he claims to be guided by God, and the fact that he is leader of the most unpopular US government in living memory, possibly ever.

Yup, we know all about that stuff in the UK. You don't have to dig particularly deep to realise that he is retarded(and yes I do mean retarded), and has no place in the oval office.

Don't get me wrong. I like America and Americans. You guys are our closest allies. We are very similar in terms of values, language, culture, ideals etc, and will be for many, many years to come, but it truly pains me to see your great nation's reputation being trashed as it is.

I am also a conservative (in the UK sense), so it's nothing to do with party allegiances. I have no problem whatsoever with general republican ideology shared by most regular US conservatives (even though it is somewhat further to the right than UK conservatism). I do have a problem with Bush and his cabal of war profiteers though. As a friend from across the pond, please believe me when I say this jerk and his gang is not doing you guys any favours at all.

I'm genuinely sorry if this upsets people, but the US government does not only affect US people. It affects the whole world, and since we can't vote in your elections, we have no other choice than to express our feelings like this.

If it's any conciliation, Colin Powell seems a pretty decent bloke!



[Edited on 27/8/04 by muppet]

Ok, I would gladly argue with you, but I'm doing this same damned thing in like 2 other threads. in the political debate one....there's a thread called "What if Bush..." If you could take your argument over there, then we can continue. I'm just getting sick of double posting everything...and I don't like to spend too much time on the computer. I've already been on BTS for like half an hour, and I just got back from school.

If you are tired of argueing politics, you should really start playing:

Originally posted by Herman
Ok, I would gladly argue with you, but I'm doing this same damned thing in like 2 other threads. in the political debate one....there's a thread called "What if Bush..." If you could take your argument over there, then we can continue.

That's alright mate. I've said my piece.

As the saying goes... you can take a horse to water...

Well, I responded in that thread I told you about...And what's with nathraq trying to get us to play Everquest!?

Originally posted by Herman
Well, I responded in that thread I told you about..

Then delete you response there and post it here, where it will remain in context.

Well I see it this way they are amuzing and they will probably stop after election day, these threads are hot and addicting what can I say.


Go with the flow, don't fight it just let it happend

Well (off the top of my head) there's the illegal, ill thought out war in Iraq, the lies about WMD, the fact that he is totally unqualified to be president,
How was the war illegal? And no, he didn't lie about the WMD's.

A.) pretty much everyone agreed that Saddam had them. Clinton said he had them, Kerry said that he had them, and needed to be stopped. Mostly everyone agreed that Saddam had those WMD's, considering that we gave them to him when we were allied. Also, the fact that he tested them on the kurds...

B.) We actually have found plenty of chemical weapons that were dis-assembled. If you add them up, they're capable of mass destruction. It's just that our liberal media doesn't like to report that kind of stuff, as it would be "boring"

he can't debate to save his life, he freely admits to not reading newspapers and relying on "advisors" for information, the fact that he has utterly trashed the US image abroad, the fact he hasn't got the guts to face or debate with his detractors, the way he likes to play war hero by dressing up in military uniforms when he dodged military service himself, that fact that he thinks he is due "respect" for just being the president(call me Mr President you cheeky upstart journalist), the fact that he drops his allies in the , can't string a coherent sentence together without the use of cue cards,

First off, most presidents don't go on air and debate with other people. Secondly, he has been on news shows here in the U.S, and argued his point quite well.. I do agree that he is a horrible public speaker, but I don't think he is a moron. He was in the national guard, and yeah, I know that his dad did help him along the way, but of course, he was the president!!! Wouldn't you help out your son? And yes, he is due some respect.

the fact that he revels in is self proclaimed role as "war president", the fact that he claims to be guided by God, and the fact that he is leader of the most unpopular US government in living memory, possibly ever.

Just because some people don't support you, doesn't mean you're doing wrong. Alot of countries ARE supporting us! Most of the European countries...you should know . "Real courage is doing right, when everyone else around is doing wrong"

Yup, we know all about that stuff in the UK. You don't have to dig particularly deep to realise that he is retarded(and yes I do mean retarded), and has no place in the oval office.

Last time I checked, he had no history of mental illness .

Don't get me wrong. I like America and Americans. You guys are our closest allies. We are very similar in terms of values, language, culture, ideals etc, and will be for many, many years to come, but it truly pains me to see your great nation's reputation being trashed as it is.

Well, I'm glad that you're being civil, and you don't hate Americans. I don't think he's trashed our reputation all that bad. Alot of countries have always hated us,always will. Have your opinions, I have mine. That's one of the great things about living in free countries.

[Edited on 27-8-2004 by Herman]

Originally posted by Herman

How was the war illegal?

The US government lied to the UN, it's people, and the world to justify their war.
The UN didn't sanction the war.
The war was therefore illegal.

A.) pretty much everyone agreed that Saddam had them. Clinton said he had them, Kerry said that he had them, and needed to be stopped. Mostly everyone agreed that Saddam had those WMD's, considering that we gave them to him when we were allied. Also, the fact that he tested them on the kurds...

Two US presidents and a wannabe US president isn't "pretty much everyone", it's a collection of US presidents. Bush said Saddam was a clear and imminent threat to the US, something the vast majority of people around the world thought was a lie, and indeed turned out to be a lie.

Here's some reading for you if you want to know the truth about the pre-war claims about WMD. It's the official UK independent judicial review into the pre-war "intelligence" about Iraq "WMD".
The Butler Report.

B.) We actually have found plenty of chemical weapons that were dis-assembled.

No they didn't. rusting 10 year old ordinance from pre 1992 was all they found.

If you add them up, they're capable of mass destruction.

But Bush said, time and time again, that Iraq was a clear and imminent threat to the US.

It's just that our liberal media doesn't like to report that kind of stuff, as it would be "boring"

You're kidding right? You think if current, usable WMD were found in Iraq it would somehow be missed by the entire world's media? And are you calling the likes of Fox news liberal?!?!

First off, most presidents don't go on air and debate with other people.

In real democracies politicians have to argue their case with a real live opposition. They also have to face real, aggressive, political interviews. They have talk in front of hostile audiences. The fact the US presidents don't seem to have to do any of these things appears to be a fatal flaw in the US political system, which leads to failed businessmen with zero political acumen becoming president. Seriously, do you think that out of 280 million Americans, Bush was really the best qualified person to do the job?

Alot of countries ARE supporting us! Most of the European countries...you should know .

Sorry? Are you living on the same planet as the rest of us? The vast majority in EVERY european country opposed the war.

Last time I checked, he had no history of mental illness .

Retarded doesn't mean mental illness. It means subnormal development relative to the norm. Maybe you don't see it, but the rest of the world does.

Well, I'm glad that you're being civil, and you don't hate Americans. I don't think he's trashed our reputation all that bad. Alot of countries have always hated us,always will. Have your opinions, I have mine. That's one of the great things about living in free countries.

If Bush isn't bad for the US reputation, how do you explain all these "bush bashing" threads you complain about?

Like you say, you have you opinion and I have mine. I hope for your sake the US remains as free as you seem to think it is. Right now you are one of the least free countries in the western world.