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reply to post by colbe


I see what you are saying, and yes i am sincere, I'm not going to tell ANYONE to question their faith (well except for a few random nutbars, but we will leave them alone (Obsecure cults, ie the "exclusive bretheren" or whatever they are called in Australia)). But i will tell people to question prophets (unsanctioned, and over the internet).

One of my larger bug-bears is people taking advantage of others, especially when it comes to matters of faith and the heart. The former in this instance is what I'm trying to get at, and since the dawn of faith, "religions" have been built and broken, others have lived and prospered into the religions we have today. You add on top of that anonymity, coupled with no consiquence and you get a nice big blank canvas to steal, corrupt and otherwise destroy good and nieve people, simply because they can get away with it (I am NOT implying this to your instance, please do NOT believe that as it is not my intent). Speak to your local priest about this, take a laptop/ipad and get them to read it, and get your guidance from the one person you should put your faith in, if they say "hey, she/he is onto something here", then go ahead and believe it.

Just be cautious.

Doomsday Prophecies:

Ever since humans could write, we have been Prophesising our demise, either by looking into scripture or looking at cave paintings (or crazies). Here on ATS we see these dates come and go and the users behind these prophecies vanish from existance. This will not change, people will see things that are simply not there, or try to apply events in such a way as they see it as a doomsday event (remember Swine flu? Before that it was SARS, Bird flu etc).

In the words of an old friend: "Faith is a good thing to have, if it is in God, Jesus or a giant sea-serpent, as long as it makes you a good person how can it be bad? But it's when blind faith, that it can be corrupted and twisted for someone else’s gain, always be wary of this."

Originally posted by Spruk
reply to post by colbe

 

I see what you are saying, and yes i am sincere, I'm not going to tell ANYONE to question their faith (well except for a few random nutbars, but we will leave them alone (Obsecure cults, ie the "exclusive bretheren" or whatever they are called in Australia)). But i will tell people to question prophets (unsanctioned, and over the internet).

One of my larger bug-bears is people taking advantage of others, especially when it comes to matters of faith and the heart. The former in this instance is what I'm trying to get at, and since the dawn of faith, "religions" have been built and broken, others have lived and prospered into the religions we have today. You add on top of that anonymity, coupled with no consiquence and you get a nice big blank canvas to steal, corrupt and otherwise destroy good and nieve people, simply because they can get away with it (I am NOT implying this to your instance, please do NOT believe that as it is not my intent). Speak to your local priest about this, take a laptop/ipad and get them to read it, and get your guidance from the one person you should put your faith in, if they say "hey, she/he is onto something here", then go ahead and believe it.

Just be cautious.

Doomsday Prophecies:

Ever since humans could write, we have been Prophesising our demise, either by looking into scripture or looking at cave paintings (or crazies). Here on ATS we see these dates come and go and the users behind these prophecies vanish from existance. This will not change, people will see things that are simply not there, or try to apply events in such a way as they see it as a doomsday event (remember Swine flu? Before that it was SARS, Bird flu etc).

In the words of an old friend: "Faith is a good thing to have, if it is in God, Jesus or a giant sea-serpent, as long as it makes you a good person how can it be bad? But it's when blind faith, that it can be corrupted and twisted for someone else’s gain, always be wary of this."

Your choice to believe in prophecy or not. You said you weren't religious so I understand your opposition.

These are private revelation not secular prophesies Spurk. How do the prophets
of God make money? They don't. What is their "gain?" The prophets experience persecution, the cross. God's ways, He uses their persecution
to save souls.


see you,

I meant to type Spruk, sorry for the typo.

reply to post by colbe


A number of ways to turn a quick buck, some such methods are: "worlds going to end, give me your money" or/and "mediums" who claim to channel Jesus, god or various other holy figures for all intents and purposes charge a "donation" to do so, others charge to read/see the message(s) of what they are claiming to be a god (or aspect of).

Me being or not being religious in any standpoint is not an objection to say nor should it be a highlighted, thoughout all of our interactions i have never said to you "drop your religion, its all false!!!1111!!!111eleventy" my morality does not allow me to do so (Granted my moral compass doesnt always point due north, but outside of children whose does?).

What i AM saying is to be careful, have an open mind (within reason), and dont just accept text on a screen you read on the internet.

To be brutally honest, you come across as naive, again not saying this is "bad" to say, hell i'm sure the world would be a better place if we could hold onto our childhood naivety, everything WOULD be innocent etc and so forth.

If you believe it with all of your faith then so be it, however i personally wouldnt want to see a potential good person be drawn into what could be "false hope" (so to speak).

Camping-gate should teach us all a valuable lession, he (well his Not-For-Profit org) would have made an absolute mint from donations after the first date of "the rapture", i have no proof to back this up, so lets call this a "feeling" shall we?

I certianly do know that people profitted off the true believers, with "services" (Example). I'm happy to explain further of my motives if you want, but that will have to be your descision to do so.

Re Typo - No stress, i'm used to it

Originally posted by Spruk
reply to post by colbe

 

A number of ways to turn a quick buck, some such methods are: "worlds going to end, give me your money" or/and "mediums" who claim to channel Jesus, god or various other holy figures for all intents and purposes charge a "donation" to do so, others charge to read/see the message(s) of what they are claiming to be a god (or aspect of).

Me being or not being religious in any standpoint is not an objection to say nor should it be a highlighted, thoughout all of our interactions i have never said to you "drop your religion, its all false!!!1111!!!111eleventy" my morality does not allow me to do so (Granted my moral compass doesnt always point due north, but outside of children whose does?).

What i AM saying is to be careful, have an open mind (within reason), and dont just accept text on a screen you read on the internet.

To be brutally honest, you come across as naive, again not saying this is "bad" to say, hell i'm sure the world would be a better place if we could hold onto our childhood naivety, everything WOULD be innocent etc and so forth.

If you believe it with all of your faith then so be it, however i personally wouldnt want to see a potential good person be drawn into what could be "false hope" (so to speak).

Camping-gate should teach us all a valuable lession, he (well his Not-For-Profit org) would have made an absolute mint from donations after the first date of "the rapture", i have no proof to back this up, so lets call this a "feeling" shall we?

I certianly do know that people profitted off the true believers, with "services" (Example). I'm happy to explain further of my motives if you want, but that will have to be your descision to do so.

Re Typo - No stress, i'm used to it

Spruk, I give you a hug for the "childhood naivety" comment. Be childlike, trusting God.

Here is the latest to Pelianito. Our Lord speaks about prayer.

October 20, 2011

Amos 9:13
Yes, days are coming, says the LORD, when the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the vintager, him who sows the seed; the juice of grapes shall drip down the mountains, and all the hills shall run with it.

“Beloved, do not be afraid. Let my love and my grace sustain you. I have told you all these things, that you may prepare your heart with prayer, that you may be fortified against what is coming. If you are anxious, it is because you have not prayed enough, or prayed well enough, or prayed often enough the simple prayer given for you in this age–Jesus I trust in you. Let the words of this prayer sustain you as you wait in joyful hope for the promised days of peace. I have promised and I will do it. Shalom.”

www.pelianito.stblogs.com...

reply to post by colbe

Trust god, when he doesnt even follow what he says?

This is a link from the Bible you use:

YOUR SOURCE

"[15] Six days shall you do work: in the seventh day is the sabbath, the rest holy to the Lord. Every one that shall do any work on this day, shall die. "

Anyone that works on Sunday shall die.

He hasn't killed anyone that works on Sunday. Why do you believe in someone that never comes thru? That doesn't help those that ask for his help? That would let people suffer and starve and die,

Some God you have there. I'd rather worship a rock.

So when does this pile of poo finally get thrown in the hoax bin? All this has become is a platform for some religious fanatic to preach and spew prejudice. 50 pages for a clearly failed prediction, that of course had no proof or evidence in the first place, spouted by a known liar/fail-wannabe-prophet with a hateful, prejudice message is pretty sad.

What a load of #!!!!!

Being gay is no worse than other sins. If I read the Bible correct, Jesus hated hypocrisy ( sinners , who throw stones)

Originally posted by gavron


Some God you have there. I'd rather worship a rock.

As a Geologist, I entirely concur!

Originally posted by gavron
reply to post by colbe

 

Trust god, when he doesnt even follow what he says?

This is a link from the Bible you use:

YOUR SOURCE

"[15] Six days shall you do work: in the seventh day is the sabbath, the rest holy to the Lord. Every one that shall do any work on this day, shall die. "

Anyone that works on Sunday shall die.

He hasn't killed anyone that works on Sunday. Why do you believe in someone that never comes thru? That doesn't help those that ask for his help? That would let people suffer and starve and die,

Some God you have there. I'd rather worship a rock.

gavron, hello,

You keep going back to this, I've shared there is something worse than physical
death, spiritual death, the loss of your soul. The 3rd Commandment is keep holy
the Sabbath. We're in the New Covenant, so it is Sunday now in honor of Our Lord as John the Apostle calls it the Lord's Day. Jesus went to the temple, Christians too must gather together to worship God on Sunday. And Sunday is a day of rest. The exceptions, I might forget one, would be needed services like the hospital, law enforcement, emergency services, an EMT.

Actually, in a message from Heaven, there has been a judgment here not after death for people breaking the 3rd Commandment in the New Covenant.

Atheists use Exodus 31:15 to deny God. I share a couple of comments
on this subject from another discussion forum. Always, we have free will to
follow God or not.

_ _ _ _ _

..."I would have to ask this question. I I tell you that if you drink this liquid (which is poison) you will die. you then drink it, is it my fault that you died?

This is what the Bible tells us God has said if you do this you will die. the choice is then yours. Now one can argue that some do not know God so they cold not know, then again as we say now days ignorance is not an excuse."
__________________

Religion: Roman Catholic
Violence in the Bible-Atheist trap

"Well, as for the Old Testament commands for putting people to death, there is an easy explanation of that. Simply, that was how God was dispensing justice. Since God is the one who puts people in heaven, hell, or purgatory, I think we can easily say that he's the one who can dispense justice. Now, these are all very grievous sins that are there, that deserve hell. Death is nothing compared to the punishment earned by those sins. However, temporal punishment does exist, and God is commanding that they be punished. It is no different than striking down someone with some lightning, except that his punishment acts through humans here. This is just as just as him sending the wicked to hell.

As for the New Testament quotations here, well it's just God saying "I'm going to punish these people for the evil that they do." I'm not sure why God punishing sin is an issue."
__________________

reply to post by colbe


Can you offer any reason why God sends these messages to certain people and then backs out? Is it just to make them look like the insane people they are or is this another of the "wonders" he is performing? Seems like he is not very good at keeping his word - I mean, it has been a while since Sodom - what, is God to busy to fulfil his promises of death? I personally think he likes watching "his" people run around acting like fools.

CJ

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by colbe

 

Can you offer any reason why God sends these messages to certain people and then backs out? Is it just to make them look like the insane people they are or is this another of the "wonders" he is performing? Seems like he is not very good at keeping his word - I mean, it has been a while since Sodom - what, is God to busy to fulfil his promises of death? I personally think he likes watching "his" people run around acting like fools.

CJ

What is the point to answer your question? You'll just return with another mocking
comment about God. Like the underlined.

Atheism is so closed. Share with me, what exactly do you hope for CJ? Human respect is fickle. Where, who is love for you? I am asking from the heart.

God hasn't "backed out", events prophesied haven't happened yet, doesn't mean
they are not going to... God is so loving, the faithful praying and man's change
of heart mitigates His "just" judgment. Judgment is really God's mercy but you
don't understand, with your personal view.

Read the OT, God prepares and warns, people laugh and mock the prophets.
The same today.


take care,

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by colbe

 

Can you offer any reason why God sends these messages to certain people and then backs out? Is it just to make them look like the insane people they are or is this another of the "wonders" he is performing? Seems like he is not very good at keeping his word - I mean, it has been a while since Sodom - what, is God to busy to fulfil his promises of death? I personally think he likes watching "his" people run around acting like fools.

CJ

oops, I forgot to underline your disbelieving, mocking part CJ.

Originally posted by colbe


Sexual sins today are denied and 99% of sexual sins are mortal, meaning they must be repented of and confessed to God. You can't die in mortal sin. Our times, everything is accepted and fifty years of bad or no catechesis so the loss of faith.

The homosexual "act", sodomy is a mortal sin. There are two places in Scripture that state there are unrepentant sodomites in hell. The "act" has always been an abomination to God. Repent of the "act" with true contrition confess this mortal sin to God.

2 Peter 2:4-6
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but delivered them, drawn down by infernal ropes to the lower hell, unto torments, to be reserved unto judgment: 5 And spared not the original world, but preserved Noe, the eighth person, the preacher of justice, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly. 6 And reducing the cities of the Sodomites, and of the Gomorrhites, into ashes, condemned them to be overthrown, making them an example to those that should after act wickedly.


2 Peter 2:4-6: Peter also reveals that the Sodomites are suffering in hell for their sins by comparing the Sodomites’ punishment to the eternal punishment of the evil angels. Just as God did not spare the angels when they sinned but cast them into hell, so He did the same with the Sodomites when He “condemned them to extinction and made them an example to those who were to be ungodly.”

Jude 5 I will therefore admonish you, though ye once knew all things, that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, did afterwards destroy them that believed not: 6 And the angels who kept not their principality, but forsook their own habitation, he hath reserved under darkness in everlasting chains, unto the judgment of the great day. 7 As Sodom and Gomorrha, and the neighbouring cities, in like manner, having given themselves to fornication, and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.

Jude 5-7: Like Peter, Jude confirms that the Sodomites are in hell by saying that they had the same fate as the evil angels. Jude says just as the evil angels were condemned to hell, the Sodomites “likewise” (Greek, hos) acted immorally and are undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. “Undergoing” (Greek, upechousai) is a present participle which means their suffering is ongoing. See also the clear polarity between those who are saved (v.5) and those who are condemned (vv. 6-7,11,13).

In reply again to comments...

I added a word to the above reply on the third page. God loves the sinner not
the sin. People keep denying sodomy is a mortal sin. Read it in the Old
and the New Testament. Unrepentant sodomites are in hell.

reply to post by colbe


Colbe, humans, even gay ones, exhibit your "gods love" everyday. You choose not to believe this because you don't like gay people. Pretty simple. Again, if the God you espouse entertains ideas of killing people, it is not my God, nor that of my church. Again colbe, without you knowing it, you are doing the devil's work. Focus on love, not hate, and one day you may actually understand - God loves everyone and is above killing humans. God loves gay people, fyi and has no plans on killing them. That is satans work.

CJ

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by colbe

 

Colbe, humans, even gay ones, exhibit your "gods love" everyday. You choose not to believe this because you don't like gay people. Pretty simple. Again, if the God you espouse entertains ideas of killing people, it is not my God, nor that of my church. Again colbe, without you knowing it, you are doing the devil's work. Focus on love, not hate, and one day you may actually understand - God loves everyone and is above killing humans. God loves gay people, fyi and has no plans on killing them. That is satans work.

CJ

Thanks for your caring reply CJ. I can't make you see....

You turn it to the personal like it is my plan. Did I not share in my last reply. God loves everyone, that includes homosexuals. He loves them, they are His children too but He abhors sin. The "act" is a grave mortal sin and most people replying here deny this fact. That's the devil's work, to say unrepentant, unconfessed sodomy has no consequences. Is that what you're saying?

Did you read the 2 accounts, one in the Old Testament and the other in the
New Testament?

Something that is getting more difficult for me in this thread, I am getting to know posters who have replied more than once. And even if you only replied one time, it upsets me the disbelief. Why does Jesus say the "gate is narrow" because so many will say no to His love, to God's plan.

A person could change just as much as stubbornly denying these messages from
Heaven. I think I have posted four or five Catholic messages and maybe a
a couple of non-Catholic Christian messages from Heaven.

Fine, disagree, believe the messages aren't true and believe I have too much zeal for Catholicism. Keep the messages on your heart though, they are true. Scripture is a Catholic book, the most Holy Eucharist is true, God wants us all to believe the same. You've been put in a time of marvelous events to happen.

I can still request something...

How hard is it to begin to pray a little every day? Talk to God. It's true, the more you pray, the more you want to pray. The other, a must, examine your life, go through the 10 Commandments, ask God to help you, then, truly contrite, confess your serious sins. You need God's presence in you, He can't be where sin is, that's why there is confession. Those two suggestions, do them. And always, Catholics GO to Confession. Confession, monthly and immediately if you commit a serious (mortal) sin. Tell yourself, if God shows me in my personal experience of the Great Warning, I'll remember the "insistent" Catholic saying this at ATS and I shall go toward God and never look back. I shall desire to receive the Holy Eucharist which is Jesus, God Himself.

Here's one of the latest messages from Our Lord to John Leary, take the time
to read it --- Thanks!!! It's black and white. Following Jesus is the way, the only
thing to truly make you happy.

I underlined two sentences....




Sunday, October 9, 2011:


Jesus said: "My people, in the first reading of Isaiah, he speaks of rich choice wines and food at a banquet. In the vision you see a banquet table of food and wine that represents My Wedding Banquet in heaven that I have prepared for My faithful who love Me. In the Gospel reading I spoke of a king who sent out invitations to his people, but the people abused his servants, so he called in other people off the streets to fill his banquet hall. Even in the Scriptures I am inviting all the peoples of the world to come and believe in Me and love their Creator. I do not burden anyone, but I ask all peoples to seek the forgiveness of their sins, and make Me the Master of their lives. In the parable many rejected the king's invitation, or they were not properly dressed, so these people were cast outside to wail and grind their teeth. In life I am also a king, and those, who refuse to accept Me, are risking the fires of hell. Those, who love Me, seek My forgiveness, and allow Me to run their lives, will receive a great reward in heaven at My Wedding Banquet. The focus is on the last line of the Gospel: "For many are called, but few are chosen." It will not be the majority that will come to heaven, but only a minority. Many will choose their own way instead of My way, but the evil ones will suffer forever in hell. My faithful will be ever thankful that they love Me and obey My laws, because they will experience the love and peace in heaven that is overwhelming in My beatific vision.

Originally posted by colbe
And Sunday is a day of rest. The exceptions, I might forget one, would be needed services like the hospital, law enforcement, emergency services, an EMT.

Please show us where it says that in the Bible. (about exceptions)

You wouldn't be interpreting that yourself, would you? After all, you yourself said "Private interpretation of Scripture is heresy." SOURCE

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by IblisLucifer
reply to post by colbe

 

Question do you believe this beyond any doubt 1000%?

Or is their any 0.0001% of your body heart and mind that say maybe im wrong

Or maybe im being played used or lead on by someone or something else that has other intentions

If not are you perhaps a brother of Societas Iesu?

edit on 19-10-2011 by IblisLucifer because: (no reason given)

Iblis,

I believe the prophetic 1000+. My conversion, reversion to the faith happened because of the prophetic. I went to a place Mary was appearing in our country.

I have experienced since that day a few signal graces (spiritual signs). How to explain, the faith makes sense to me now. History, testimony to the faith and what it is gives me peace and joy. I didn't understand before. I have a greater understanding and belief because of the gift of the Holy Eucharist. Finally receiving the Eucharist in the state of grace. I was dead in mortal sin most of my adult life.

That's why Jesus says what He does in John 6:54. You remain a "baby" Christian without the Eucharist, if you never receive the special grace of God Himself within you. See...all is connected, why the Great Warning is going to happen. God wants all souls on the earth to believe in Christ's presence in the Eucharist.

Funny cause god has shown me the knowledge of truth taking me within and without true up the same as down and feeling of understanding that I reside in the voice of god both he and her together, all mighty is the veil that covers the world I once known until i was gifted a curse for truly a moment and nothing more the veil was lifted which in before one could blink or think the other side was gone the man and woman sitting outside with me that just before this moment where talking to me she ask if i was ok i told her i didnt know but felt fine, ; To lose suffer and have taken what is yours is the price one pays to know the truth anything can be taken from you that you possess whether something you love or your senses even sense of yourself because i lost part of myself that night

Giving me the knowledge of a Sage and the Wisdom of a Child