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Originally posted by colbe

Post the message that says Pope John Paul II to be an anti-pope.

John Leary has the approval of his Bishop to share the mesages on the Internet.

Do you reply contradictory to object because the message is a hard message or is it you object to the Church
and Christ's teachings, they are the same brother. Christ promised He would not leave His Church (Matthew 16:18). The heretical sects who have broken away believe some of God'sTruth...don't settle, accept all of
you can. See...are you not drawn to St. Michael's words, they are holy.

Sorry colbe was away from computer a few days here's link to article by Bishop Clark and diocese about it

Catholic Courier

The church is not the same as Christ's teaching, and the church exists in every person, not by the authority of a select few.

Jesus said if two or more of you agree upon a thing on earth, so shall it be in heaven - not in quotations in case I misquoted word for word. In this very thread there are christians arguing on either side of the debate, so who is God with. Those who preach in love, or those who preach in condemnation.

Here's an idea, grab a stick draw a line on the ground, and give a pebble to the one condemning you.

You are obviously here to try and save souls, which is commendable, however you are driving people away through an unjust cause.

St Michael is not holy, only God and Christ and the Holy Spirit are, no other until we are in heaven, for until that day we are all still sinners.

You know I just noticed a post you made on another thread which indicates st michael is the archangel, which I didn't know, I also noticed that same post a message from Jesus said to pray to michael??? Didn't every angel including Michael tell porphets such as Daniel not to praise them? Prayer is the same as worship, so that just proves the validity of that other post

If through the shining of your faith and love you save a single person, it is better than by through preaching hellfire and damnation you save a hundred.

Do not fear the Lord your God, love Him, instead fear your own sin.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by colbe
So unexpected will this event be that the world will stop in great shock. When the slowly recover many will still be unsure about what has happened. As I come so too will Satan and the demons from Hell who will try to devour the souls of My children. This is why I must urge you all to sprinkle your home with Holy Water and have blessed candles everywhere. You must keep yourselves protected.

This is complete rubbish.

Holy water? Candles? Yes like these things can affect the universe. I feel sorry for all those virtuous tribesmen who dont have beads, candles, and water that was talked to. They will burn in hell..


What a load. This is material meant to alienate people on the fence about religion.

I know right? What if you want to use other religous items to repel evil, sage, salt, hellebore, anise, oregeno, hawthorne, rabbitsfoot, horseshoe, your grandmas left big finger, whatever floats your boat.

Also, you havent said anything about demons I dont think, and thats the only thing those items will repel (Holywater and candles)...

You..are...flawed.

Originally posted by MamaJ
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What saddens me is you really believe this stuff. You really believe one should wear "this cross" verses the other cross. You believe someone is getting messages from Jesus warning the world is going to end and the Big shocker others are speaking of as well. Meaning, others have stated the sky will split and so on.

If you believe the Bible then would you believe Jesus does not know the day nor the hour as it states?

Instead of obtaining information from the internet why not just take information straight from the Bible. This way you are not leading yourself and others for a huge upset when Jesus does not come in your lifetime.

Think about it.....a lot still has to happen in order for "the prophecy" to fulfill itself (according to the Bible). Palestine and Israel have not signed a peace treaty for one.... of course this is only in regards to what the Bible says, not some web site.

Mama, hi,

Jesus wants you to remember His suffering death. You can't see it on an empty
cross. And I don't say that to argue. A crucifix is used in the Rite of Exorcism not
a cross. I've had several non-Catholic friends tell me they acknowledge the
difference, seeing proof of this in their own lives.

Natural disasters, homes with a crucifix on the front door are protected while the
house next door is in ruin or gone.

Jesus wants you to remember His suffering death. You can't see it on an empty cross. And I don't say that to argue. A crucifix is used in the Rite of Exorcism not a cross. I've had several non-Catholic friends tell me they acknowledge the difference, seeing proof of this in their own lives. Natural disasters, homes with a crucifix on the front door are protected while the house next door is in ruin or gone.

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I think Jesus would rather us remember his works and not his death. We all die and some more gruesome than others. I think more importantly he showed us there is NO DEATH, only a transfiguration/transformation. He had a belief and shared his belief and others crucified him for having said belief (being different). This is a lesson we should all learn. LOVE unconditionally as our Father loves us. He is to be followed in according to his works...not his death. The focus in my opinion is not in his death...again he came to fulfill a prophecy and to show us that His way is indeed the way.....so Love in all you do and all you say and when it comes time, you too will have a mansion awaiting you. This other world has many mansions (Universe has many worlds) and he has gone to prepare the way for each and every one of us so that we may too be where he is.

In saying that....it takes a spirit/soul multiple lifetimes to achieve this....just as it took Jesus many lifetimes to achieve the perfect harmony between He and God. He has set the way in stone and we are to follow his ways by working toward a humanity built on Love and not fear. Love your neighbor as yourself my friend no matter their sin. This is what Jesus taught us.

There is the verse from Scripture about when the Gospel is preached worldwide, that
would be the Internet.

"Instead of obtaining information from the internet why not just take information straight from the Bible. This way you are not leading yourself and others for a huge upset when Jesus does not come in your lifetime."

Thank you for wording your comment as you did. Very kind. There is Scripture which is inerrant. People have no problem with the Old Testament prophets or John the Baptist in the Gospel. Why would prophecy end now or at all in the New Covenant?

Prophecy helps people in a certain period of time better understand the time they're in. God's Word, the oral and the written are made explicit. All Christians pretty much agree on the different periods of God's plan. This is the end of one period of time, the 6th Day. The messages from Heaven help explain what is happening now in this end time and some of the new time coming, the Millennium. And Christian prophecy is not like a crystal ball, it's not a set in stone, it is conditional to man's response. Prayers and sacrifice, offering our sufferings help mitigate events.

Originally posted by contradictory

Originally posted by colbe

Post the message that says Pope John Paul II to be an anti-pope.

John Leary has the approval of his Bishop to share the mesages on the Internet.

Do you reply contradictory to object because the message is a hard message or is it you object to the Church
and Christ's teachings, they are the same brother. Christ promised He would not leave His Church (Matthew 16:18). The heretical sects who have broken away believe some of God'sTruth...don't settle, accept all of
you can. See...are you not drawn to St. Michael's words, they are holy.

Sorry colbe was away from computer a few days here's link to article by Bishop Clark and diocese about it

Catholic Courier

This is dated 1999. A status can change and has for Leary. And Cathholicplanet is a website run by a man, Ronald Conte, Jr, who puts down almost all of the current and some past Catholic visionaries while he himself gives an exact date for the Warning! He's been wrong twice, maybe three times now.

How is it the Catholic and Protestant messages are saying the same? But the Catholic
more specific for an obvious reason.


Contradictory,

I have a devotion to the messages, been reading them for 13 years. There was a time two years at least where you did not see John Leary's messages. He
was obedient and has worked out any difficulty with his Bishop. Leary has permission to post his messages on the Internet. One of the a problems was the messages
speak of millennium which is Scriptural and spoken of by the Church Fathers. Millennium is not Millenniarism. The other was concerning the successor of Pope John Paul II. Pope Benedict's time is not completed so we'll see. Here is what I found about the status of John's messages.


Status
"The Roman Catholic Church classifies private revelation within three (3) categories, which are listed below. These are not matters of dogmatic definition, as no private revelation is ever part of dogma. These are categories established over time by the curial commissions established to review such matters. Typically, the local Ordinary convenes a commission of theologians to make an exhaustive study of alleged apparitions/locutions in question, and makes a determination by classifying the mystical occurrences within one of the following three categories:

Constat de supernaturalitate -- It is certain that the events are of supernatural origin.

Non-constat de supernaturalitate -- It is not certain that the events are of supernatural origin, or the supernatural origin has not been established. In this classification, the events in question are still open to eventual recognition as being authentic.

Constat de non supernaturalitate -- It is certain that the events are not of supernatural origin.

As of this writing, the messages of John Leary remain in the second category above i.e. in the neutral category, non-constat de supernaturalitate. Indeed the Bishop of Rochester has directed John Leary to post a corrective preface in his books, but this is not a declaration of “Constat de non supernaturalitate or a ‘condemnation."

Originally posted by colbe
There is the verse from Scripture about when the Gospel is preached worldwide, that
would be the Internet.

"Instead of obtaining information from the internet why not just take information straight from the Bible. This way you are not leading yourself and others for a huge upset when Jesus does not come in your lifetime."

Thank you for wording your comment as you did. Very kind. There is Scripture which is inerrant. People have no problem with the Old Testament prophets or John the Baptist in the Gospel. Why would prophecy end now or at all in the New Covenant?

Prophecy helps people in a certain period of time better understand the time they're in. God's Word, the oral and the written are made explicit. All Christians pretty much agree on the different periods of God's plan. This is the end of one period of time, the 6th Day. The messages from Heaven help explain what is happening now in this end time and some of the new time coming, the Millennium. And Christian prophecy is not like a crystal ball, it's not a set in stone, it is conditional to man's response. Prayers and sacrifice, offering our sufferings help mitigate events.

What you keep reiterating is what Leary said and what he thinks. This makes your claims fall low to the waist side for me because he nor any mans message is to be taken and ran with. ONLY Jesus can tell us when he is coming and he is said to not know. Yes we are to be able to tell the "season" for there will be signs in "Heaven" and so on....... There has always been signs and always have there been EQ's in diverse places. There has always been floods and droughts. This is not something to take into account when pondering the idea Jesus may soon be returning.

BUT if prophecy holds true then we should expect the Peace Treaty any day now....correct? I just do not see this happening until something BIG takes place to humble these "people" (as in Israel and Palestine).

My dad was once a Methodist Minister and he has told me numerous "myths" that are taught by preachers and these myths are known to be false....yet they preach them anyway. Man will lead you astray even when your intent is to follow the works of God....you can still be mislead.

MAN and is nature in this Low World we call Earth is not a guide or one to be followed. Leave the Earth's Beasts where they are and do not listen to them for there are many who will mislead the gullible. Be strong in your stance in regards to Christ Jesus who will not stray you in the least. Take what he says to heart...he doesn't lie. No matter what though.....LOVE! Love in all you do and all you say for this is what Jesus did and what he taught. He forgave his trespassers on the Cross. It is more of a symbol to show us that not only do we not die but we also are supposed to be loving to our "enemy" for they are in all reality our brother/sister. Maybe they are less advanced, but never the less our brother/sister.

We will ALL be with the Creator one day and we are here in this existence on Earth to learn how to LOVE ALL THE TIME as our spirit requires it. We are here on Earth to learn how to love others within this realm for a purpose. This purpose serves the Will of God and do not mistaken it for the will of Man.

Man is uncomfortable with a lot of things and or people. Man is uncomfortable hanging out with Jane who is actually born a man but has changed his name from Jon to Jane because he so strongly feels as though he is a girl. Think to yourself WHY would GOD ALLOW this to take place? This confusion? Is it a sin? Or....can it be that this is the intent from God to place somewhat of a halt to the over populated Earth and in doing so has set in motion more ways for man to ridicule his brother/sister because of a difference they share? People are different colors, eat and drink and sleep differently. If someone is different they are called "weird" or evil or perhaps possessed....like Jesus was said to be.

People will eventually be the works of the Word/LOVE because this is something we- spirits require. Love. Love me for my difference and let me show you how I can love you for your difference. The two collide in Love and share a common link.....GOD. God did not make anything bad. Reason this last statement. An all loving and all knowing God does not make "bad" things. He makes us all and from an infancy.... we grow and evolve into wonderful beings that resemble God more and more as we progress towards a loving perfection of Harmony within the Divine Universe.

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MamaJ,

I like your thoughtful replies. The reason I am replying so much about John Leary, he is the messenger in the OP. And people keep posting false prophet about John Leary. I posted other messages from Heaven to different seers.

Interesting, your Dad was a Methodist minister, hey, very good. Methodists have
some beliefs which agree with Catholicism. A neighbor friend, prayed for me previously, when I was a sometime Catholic, she is Methodist. After my parents died, all my siblings went secular so I believe it was her prayers.

One thing, I disagree with you on is multiple lives, reincarnation. Scripture states we are appointed to die once. And fitting, the teaching of the Church. There is no Reincarnation.

Originally posted by contradictory


The church is not the same as Christ's teaching, and the church exists in every person, not by the authority of a select few.

Jesus said if two or more of you agree upon a thing on earth, so shall it be in heaven - not in quotations in case I misquoted word for word. In this very thread there are christians arguing on either side of the debate, so who is God with. Those who preach in love, or those who preach in condemnation.

Here's an idea, grab a stick draw a line on the ground, and give a pebble to the one condemning you.

You are obviously here to try and save souls, which is commendable, however you are driving people away through an unjust cause.
St Michael is not holy, only God and Christ and the Holy Spirit are, no other until we are in heaven, for until that day we are all still sinners.

You know I just noticed a post you made on another thread which indicates st michael is the archangel, which I didn't know, I also noticed that same post a message from Jesus said to pray to michael??? Didn't every angel including Michael tell porphets such as Daniel not to praise them? Prayer is the same as worship, so that just proves the validity of that other post

If through the shining of your faith and love you save a single person, it is better than by through preaching hellfire and damnation you save a hundred.

Do not fear the Lord your God, love Him, instead fear your own sin.

edit on 4/10/2011 by contradictory because: added paragraph

contradictory,

When Jesus spoke of His Church, I don't remember Him ever using the plural.
Wherever two are gathered is reference to prayer, it's not a definition of Christ's
Church. There had to be a beginning and there was. There is a hierarchy, a
liturgy and a sacramental system. And for "Bible Alone" believers, someone
compiled the Bible. It was Pope Damasus and at his request, St. Jerome
translated the original Hebrew and Greek.

Thanks for the "positive" comment.

You know the verse in Revelation, nothing unholy enters Heaven. A group of angels
in Heaven remained holy with the other archangels and Michael as a special archangel fighting the evil one from the start. It's fine to address him as St. Michael because there is a verse in the Old Testament showing angels who are holy can be addressed as saints even thought they are not human persons.

Flattering someone, even an angel or saint is not praying to them. There are several kinds of prayer. You mentioned worship and there is a prayer of petition. Since St. Michael has been given a special assignment by God to battle Satan, pray to St. Michael, you can. Christians give witness to prayers answered by specific saints and the
archangels.

I am trying to show love by sharing the messages.


thank you and blessings,

Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by MamaJ

 

MamaJ,

I like your thoughtful replies. The reason I am replying so much about John Leary, he is the messenger in the OP. And people keep posting false prophet about John Leary. I posted other messages from Heaven to different seers.

Interesting, your Dad was a Methodist minister, hey, very good. Methodists have
some beliefs which agree with Catholicism. A neighbor friend, prayed for me previously, when I was a sometime Catholic, she is Methodist. After my parents died, all my siblings went secular so I believe it was her prayers.

One thing, I disagree with you on is multiple lives, reincarnation. Scripture states we are appointed to die once. And fitting, the teaching of the Church. There is no Reincarnation.

Listen to what Jesus says about who He is, who He was, and who will come again. It is he that taught reincarnation brother. DO not believe everything the Pope's say. They are all after all....MEN.

This is what I have learned from the Bible. No one time trial in all of eternity.....you can't reason that one at all...and the reason is because there are many lives to be had as we perfect.

Originally posted by colbe

contradictory,

When Jesus spoke of His Church, I don't remember Him ever using the plural.
Wherever two are gathered is reference to prayer, it's not a definition of Christ's
Church. There had to be a beginning and there was. There is a hierarchy, a
liturgy and a sacramental system. And for "Bible Alone" believers, someone
compiled the Bible. It was Pope Damasus and at his request, St. Jerome
translated the original Hebrew and Greek.

Thanks for the "positive" comment.

You know the verse in Revelation, nothing unholy enters Heaven. A group of angels
in Heaven remained holy with the other archangels and Michael as a special archangel fighting the evil one from the start. It's fine to address him as St. Michael because there is a verse in the Old Testament showing angels who are holy can be addressed as saints even thought they are not human persons.

Flattering someone, even an angel or saint is not praying to them. There are several kinds of prayer. You mentioned worship and there is a prayer of petition. Since St. Michael has been given a special assignment by God to battle Satan, pray to St. Michael, you can. Christians give witness to prayers answered by specific saints and the
archangels.

I am trying to show love by sharing the messages.


thank you and blessings,

While we are not going to agree about many things, I am happy that you obviously investigate the people whose prophecies you are quoting.

With regards to the holiness of saints, angels, and archangels, I guess my inner definition is just too strict in this regards and prevents me from applying it directly to any other than God (being that Christ and the Spirit are also God), but certainly they are 'separate' and I understand your honouring them.

Again prayer, for myself, is always a matter of worship and I simply could not bring myself to pray to any other.

As far as the "positive" comment, I really should have put an IMO there, because it obviously does seem sarcastic, however I have great respect for what you are trying to do.

Since we are both steadfast in our own opinions on these matters, there's no need to continue with this thread for me, though we'll probably end up debating at some other time in the future on a different one.

Keep peace in your heart always

Originally posted by MamaJ

Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by MamaJ

 

MamaJ,

I like your thoughtful replies. The reason I am replying so much about John Leary, he is the messenger in the OP. And people keep posting false prophet about John Leary. I posted other messages from Heaven to different seers.

Interesting, your Dad was a Methodist minister, hey, very good. Methodists have
some beliefs which agree with Catholicism. A neighbor friend, prayed for me previously, when I was a sometime Catholic, she is Methodist. After my parents died, all my siblings went secular so I believe it was her prayers.

One thing, I disagree with you on is multiple lives, reincarnation. Scripture states we are appointed to die once. And fitting, the teaching of the Church. There is no Reincarnation.

Listen to what Jesus says about who He is, who He was, and who will come again. It is he that taught reincarnation brother. DO not believe everything the Pope's say.

They are all after all....MEN.

This is what I have learned from the Bible. No one time trial in eternity....you can't reason that one at all...and the reason is because there are many lives to be had as we perfect.

Mamaj,

Maybe, you are thinking of another word.

How about "Incarnation?" Our Lord is eternal, He's always been God. He came to earth, was born as a "man" so God and man, two natures, the Incarnation and He will come
again as in His glorified body as God and man at the Final Judgment.

His soon middle coming is "spiritual."

Yes, one time. One body, one soul, one life.
How do you interpret this Scripture verse any other way?


Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:


colbe

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"As far as the "positive" comment, I really should have put an IMO there, because it obviously does seem sarcastic, however I have great respect for what you are trying to do.

Since we are both steadfast in our own opinions on these matters, there's no need to continue with this thread for me, though we'll probably end up debating at some other time in the future on a different one.

Keep peace in your heart always."

contradictory,

I DON'T like to see you go. I'll post another recent message. Happy to do it to convince
you. I'll be considered a 'crazo' for the rest of my life if all that is prophesied doesn't
happen. #1, we already know God is capable and #2, He is this loving, wishing to
save everyone, there's not a bit of "Calvin" in Him...ha,ha.

The 2nd Pentecost is going to happen!!

Jesus didn't say exactly, only a time frame, the Great Tribulation begins at the end of
2012. I would think between now and then it could happen...the prophesied "awakening" called the Great Warning.

God is perfect love and the part forgotten, perfect justice. The Great Warning is His
perfect love. IMO, I know what I just said but I believe God is more love than justice
so He really is perfect.


message to Pelianito

September 30, 2011

2 Corinthians 6:16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God.

“Beloved, in every place the temple of the Lord is profaned with idolatry. My very children who bear my name run to the gods of the age. This is abomination! I will spit them out of my mouth! Let all who have ears hear–the Lord is God and he alone. To him alone belongs the glory and the power and the majesty. My beloved children, you at least try to console me with your prayers and sacrifices. You at least return my love. I tell you, this has had an effect on the punishment due to sin. My children, why is love spurned? Why trade a heart that sings for a stone? Why cling to dead idols that bring death, when the living God offers you everything? The evil one has duped many, but his time is almost up. Give me all you can, dear ones. My heart longs to enfold even the most hardened sinners. Do not let them spurn my mercy, for my justice will be impossible for them to bear. Pray! So many are in such great need.”



www.pelianito.stblogs.com...

Yes, one time. One body, one soul, one life. How do you interpret this Scripture verse any other way?

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Read the New Testament. Read it a few times with the intent to know if Jesus ever refers to "reincarnation" as in being born again in the womb and not of baptismal. Read it a few times and then come back on this thread and tell me what you really think. It is hard to deny once you open your mind to another possibility. This is my opinion and I do not want to lead you astray. If you find it says something else, especially in Matthew then by all means tell me your opinion.

God is good all the time...not just some of the time. He would not have us go through one trial and either lift us up or put us down. A loving parent does no such thing. Will there be a type of punishment for spirits ( in between reincarnations ) who did not reach their goal in some form according to what they believe or holding onto on this Planet? Possibly so. The Bible says there will be judgement. Not the judgment I think we all think of though. Maybe it is like the judgment of one seeing clearly and judging their actions rightfully so when the veil is removed? Maybe it is our own spirit that condemns when we find we did not come and conquer as we set out to do. We took the easy road, we didn't struggle, we didn't help our neighbor, we were judgmental, we were greedy, we were jealous. These emotions when passing over can lead a spirit to "weigh itself" in regards to his own works and faith especially when the veil is lifted and the spirit sees its own works.

I think of "Hell" to be a place like this..... when we die and are passing over it may take a while for our senses to fully adjust back to the spirit without the flesh especially if our works here on Earth were not of good intent for the most part. If we have an evil like mind with say jealousy as our main intent then we reap what we sow in between reincarnations..meaning as our mind/senses adjust we may feel pain, smell stench everywhere, and be a witness to horrible things. As we let go of the material world and adjust back to the spirit we are now back to the plane from which we came or it may indeed be a more advanced world than which we came.

The East and the West. The Jews and the Muslims and the Christians...... I mean WHY?

Maybe it is all religions mixed in one....but take heed my fellow brothers and sisters. Jesus stands out for many reasons. Reason it, weight it, study the Word, and know that LOVE has been taught by many but the Man Jesus has many more followers (Christian and non) and the Love he taught should be exemplified and not confused with ego. This is what I would like to see and hear from Christians. That expectation is not enough for me to feel disappointed though. It would be an easier sell towards Christianity if the real teachings of Christ were put before mans controlling ego.

I am not saying this is linked but have people seen how the Coptic Christians in Egypt are treated and the last major blow to them was around Christmas time when over 20 of them were killed up by a bomb.

Some things are not Christ related globally he is more a personal figure spiritually I feel so he will judge the nations at the end, this is spiritual between man and God the father in heaven who mankind will get in the way of his Son's return and punishment is on thoughs who persecute his followers.

What followed after in Egypt was a revolt on the government, then Coptic’s and Muslims protested together eventually because the barbaric Islamic version of their culture was not only killing the Coptic’s socially but themselves too.

You could say spiritually God had a hand at that, guess what even the Bible predicts that Egypt will be judged by God's anger and that they will fight each other.

Isaiah 19:2
"I will make Egyptian fight against Egyptian--brother against brother, neighbour against neighbour, city against city, province against province.

Sounds real to me.


Then add Pakistan, they too believe their two record breaking Floods in two years are related to God, funny how Bin Ladin was found there and it took the Americans to do so and not the people of that country all these years, to find him. Maybe the nation was judged based not only on Bin Ladin but their killings of Christians for blasphemy and peace makers who have died in the name of Islam whose laws makes Christ’s teachings a capital punishment. Then add the fact they kill each other anyway by blowing up mosques and terrorising India in the process.

So the links are there, but what about what the Bible says, the world will have increased earthquakes, famine and rumours of war, roaring of the seas, it is because man is going to persecute the Church and his followers and wreck Israel, God's covenat land and Christ’s coming as the bride from heaven, man is gate crashing his arrival and he his father won't let it happen any more.

Christ returns for the sake of his elect, some nations will pressurise that return because they are trying to stop it.

Originally posted by colbe
On the first of every month, our Lord gives Anne a new message about His call to service.

And he's not been locked in a loony bin because...?

Originally posted by colbe

contradictory,

I DON'T like to see you go. I'll post another recent message. Happy to do it to convince
you. I'll be considered a 'crazo' for the rest of my life if all that is prophesied doesn't
happen. #1, we already know God is capable and #2, He is this loving, wishing to
save everyone, there's not a bit of "Calvin" in Him...ha,ha.

The 2nd Pentecost is going to happen!!

Jesus didn't say exactly, only a time frame, the Great Tribulation begins at the end of
2012. I would think between now and then it could happen...the prophesied "awakening" called the Great Warning.

The reason for leaving this thread, is because it has turned from a debate about one particular prophesy, and it's contents, into a far more general debate on many different things, such as the bible and in what way the end will come if at all. Since I prefer to stay within the topic at hand, more or less, then I leave it for another day.

As far as the second coming, absolutely I believe, and I know this will happen within my lifetime, God has shown me I'll be there. 2nd Pentecost is a new one for me, but I looked it up, makes sense that God will pour out His Spirit during the Great Tribulation.

Thank you for posting another prophecy, while I am certainly a doubting Thomas (it's my middle name - literally), I appreciate the thought, and continue to read such things as I come across them.

Peace and love

Originally posted by contradictory

Jesus said if two or more of you agree upon a thing on earth, so shall it be in heaven

There are more than two of us on Earth that believe the bible is nothing more than a good set set of moral guidlines and that there is no god.

There are more than two of us that think the catholic church is inherintly corrupt/evil and that, if there was a hell, that's where the kiddy fiddling priests deserve to spend eternity.

There are more than two of us that think the current pope shouldn't be where he is considering his involvement with the hitler youth

and so on...

So, if your heaven exists, then all these things will also be true in it!

Originally posted by contradictoryAs far as the second coming, absolutely I believe, and I know this will happen within my lifetime, God has shown me I'll be there.

I'm not mocking your beliefs, i really am not, my Mother (RIP) was a firm believer played the same church organ from the age of 14 till her death at 46, she tried to pass her belief onto me but i saw Sunday School as a way to hang out with friends and hear some cool stories. Before she died my Mum realised i followed my own path, i believe in nature, and she was happy with that.

But it scares me when i hear people say things like this because I worry how lost you will feel when (or should i say if) the second coming doesn't happen in your lifetime?

I discussed religion once with a Nigerian friend of mine, he is a firm believer too and he says that if he had been born in this country he feels he would not be religious either and that people only really turn to religion through desperation. He accepts this but it doen't stop him believing.

I have an open mind with a lot of things but the reason i can put no faith in the existence of god is that, to me, it has been proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he does not exist (don't ask because i don't like to talk about it), interestingly my Grandma always said the opposite would be true