Illuminated for 500 Years

How can the illuminati be Jesuits and Zionists at the same time? People need to make up their minds.

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by 8ILlBILl8

 

Money is not the evil, it's the LOVE of money that is evil. I am not sure who it was that said it, maybe Henry Kissinger, that Power is the most seductive lust of all.....

I believe the Kissinger quote regarding power is this:"Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac."

At the height of Kissinger's prominence, many commented on his wit. In one instance, at the Washington Press Club annual congressional dinner, "Kissinger mocked his reputation as a secret swinger."[81] He was quoted as saying "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac

Henry Kissinger- Wikipedia

Originally posted by libertytoall
How can the illuminati be Jesuits and Zionists at the same time? People need to make up their minds.

edit on 28-9-2011 by libertytoall because: (no reason given)

here is a link with many sub links that might answer that question for you.

I understand your confusion.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

this one may be better..it talks about the bloodlines of the illuminati.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

reply to post by The_Phantom


Well this is certainly creepy.

I'm more into how the Illuminati control the industry, and just yesterday I was reading about how Lady Gaga was raised Roman Catholic, and went to a school called the Convent of the Sacred Heart located in New York.
So I went to look at this Convent of the Sacred Heart school, and it turns out it was founded by the Society of the Sacred Heart.
Wikipedia'd Society of the Sacred Heart, and it says...

Because of its origins, educational work, and character, the Society is sometimes considered a female equivalent to the Jesuits, or Society of Jesus.

So then, I wikipedia'd Society of Jesus. This was under "controversies" ...

The Monita Secreta, also known as the "Secret Instructions of the Jesuits" was published (1612 and 1614) in Kraków, and is alternately alleged to have been written by either Claudio Acquaviva, the fifth general of the society, or by Jerome Zahorowski. The document appears to lay down the methods to be adopted for the acquisition of greater power and influence for the order and for the Roman Catholic Church. Scholars generally agree that the Secreta were merely fabricated to give the Jesuits a sinister reputation and it has become widely considered a forgery.

I found that very, very interesting. Although it said it was forged, I did find a website to read it on, and I haven't got very far but I will continue especially now that I saw this thread.

I just think it is so, SO interesting that I was just thinking about all this yesterday, and there's a thread on it today...

Top notch thread! S & F
I've been neglecting my intake on Illuminati theory's lately and this just got me back in the mood.

I agree that power seems to be the key factor. When I was in corporate America there was no question that the power issue seemed to be far and away the biggest lure to many. Keep in mind that if you have power all the other trapping come along with it such as money and influence. If you look at the templers, they had to have found something pretty significant in order to gain instant wealth and power. The church itself control vast amounts of money and power sometimes disguissed through other avenues such as government or undergrounds branches. I have no doubt there are some who would go to the ends of the earth to seek and control power over our planet.

Absolutely love reading about this and our history, but sometimes I think I'm reading a fiction because of the bizarre reality that has led all of Humanity to this point, crazy times. Loved the post S & F

reply to post by libertytoall


people do not need to really make up their minds on that one....if one understands what a Zionist is....A Zionist is not necessarily a jew by any means....as Zionism is a political movement and allows all sects into this movement....this is where people tend to get confused...as the Zionists themselves coined Anti Semite which allowed them to quell any people going against their end goals.
The zionist movement was started in the late 1800's by none other than Theodore Herzl

"Herzl regarded Zionism's triumph as inevitable, not only because life in Europe was ever more untenable for Jews, but also because it was in Europe's interests to rid the Jews and relieved of anti-Semitism: The European political establishment would eventually be persuaded to promote Zionism. Herzl recognized that anti-Semitism would be HARNESSED to his own--Zionist-purposes." (Righteous Victims, p. 21)

Regarding antisemites, Theodor Herzl explained how it could benefit the Zionist enterprise, he wrote in his diary

"The antisemites WILL BECOME our most loyal friends, the antisemites nations will become our allies."

As one might see the anti semites will be used to meet the end gains.....

Now just becuase Theodore wanted and succeeded in creating the movement to form the Jewish State......Non Jews are pivotal in helping the Zionist cause to acheive exactly what it wants.

Great post S&F

Apparently the Order of Illuminati have there own website now. I downloaded the PDF application form and still don't really know what to make of it...

Just thought you guys might find this interesting, enjoy.

reply to post by The_Phantom

Movers and Shakers of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta

A partial list of some of their troops in the field both past and present.

Major General William Joseph "Wild Bill" Donovan - Wartime head of the OSS and co-founder of the CIA
Baron Franz Joseph Hermann Michael Maria von Papen - Politician who Helped Adolf Hitler to power; Reichskonkordat Negotiator
General Reinhard Gehlen - Nazi Chief of Intelligence over Russia; Head of Gehlen Org; Head of BND
J. Peter Grace - CEO of W.R.Grace and Company; Head of the American branch of SMOM
Prince Junio Valerio Scipione Borghese - Italian Elite Naval Commander and Leader of the Fascist Terrorist Outfit: X-MAS
Allen Welsh Dulles - Lawyer; OSS Top Officer; First Head of the CIA
Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini - Italy's Fascist Wartime Prime Minister
Francis Joseph Cardinal Spellman - Archbishop of New York; Grand Protector of the American Branch of SMOM
John Jakob Raskob - DuPont and GM Top Executive; Builder of the Empire State Building; Political Mover and Shaker
Myron Charles Taylor - Head of the United Steel Company; Businessman and Diplomat
James Jesus Angleton - CIA Chief of Counterintelligence and Head o/t ‘Vatican Desk’ &/t ‘Israel Desk’
Count Licio Gelli - Arch-fascist and Grandmaster of the Italian P2 Fringe Masonic Lodge
Joseph Patrick "Joe" Kennedy, Sr. - Patriarch of the Kennedy Clan, Businessman and Ambassador; Political Figure
Joseph J Larkin - Vice President of Chase Manhattan Bank European Affairs
William Joseph Casey - CIA Director
Lee Iacocca - CEO of Chrysler; President of Ford Motor Company; Chairman of Lee Iacocca & Associates, Inc.
Francis X Stankard - Director of LXE Inc.; Vice Chairman American Express Bank; Chase Manhattan Top Executive
James Augustine Farrell - President of US Steel
Dr. Hermann Josef Abs - "Hitler's Paymaster" as Head o/t Deutsche Bank; Board-member of IG Farben, Daimler Benz, Siemens
Konrad Hermann Josef Adenauer - First Postwar German Federal Chancellor
Thomas Bolan - Top Lawyer; partner in Saxe, Bacon and Bolan
Francis J. Shakespeare - Catholic Right Wing Propaganda Top Executive; Ambassador
Francis Vincent Ortiz, Jr. - Foreign Service Officer; Ambassador
Patrick J. Frawley, Jr. - Heir to the Schick razor fortune
Admiral James David Watkins - Chief of Naval Operations; US Secretary of Energy
Maxwell M. Rabb - US Businessman, Politician, Lawyer and Ambassador
Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands; Bilderberger; Club of Rome; Major Shareholder of Shell
William Barron Hilton - Head o/t Hilton Hotel Chain
John Alexander McCone – CIA Director
William Egan Colby – CIA Director
General Alexander Meigs Haig, Jr. - US Secretary of State; White House Chief of Staff; Vice Chief of Staff of the Army; Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR); Supreme Allied Commander of NATO
George H. W. Bush - 41st President of the US; Skull & Bonesman; CIA Director
William Edward Simon - Secretary of Treasury; Administrator of the Federal Energy Office; President of the John M. Olin Foundation
Prince Bernhard - Consort to the Queen o/t Netherlands; Cofounder of the Bilderberg Club, 1001 Club, Rotary International; Inspector General of the Dutch Air Force, Army and Navy
Nicholas Frederick Brady - 68th Secretary of the Treasury; CFR; Chairman of the Board of Dillon, Read & Company, Inc.; Corporate Polymath
Valéry Giscard d'Estaing - French Centre-right Politician; President of the French Republic
Clare Boothe Luce - Editor; Playwright; Social activist; Politician; Journalist; Diplomat; CFR
General Mark Wayne Clark - Commander of Allied Forces in Italy during WWII
Charles Burke Elbrick - Career US Ambassador
Frank Joseph Fahrenkopf, Jr. - President and CEO of the American Gaming Association (AGA); New York Stock Exchange Boardmember (6
L. Francis Rooney III - US Ambassador to the Holy See; CEO of Rooney Holdings, Inc.; Corporate Polymath
General Joseph Edward Schmitz - Inspector General o/t Dept. of Defense; COO Blackwater USA
Prescott Bush Jr. - US Businessman and Politician
Craig J Neumann de Paulo - Religious Philosopher; Senior Editor; President of St.Peter's Institute
General Charles Guthrie, Baron Guthrie of Craigiebank - Chief o/t Defense Staff; Chief o/t General Staff; Non-executive Director of NM Rothschild & Sons
General Vernon A. Walters - Deputy Director of Central Intelligence; US Ambassador to the UN, Germany; Roving Ambassador
Patrick Cardinal Hayes - Archbishop of New York; First Chaplain of the American Branch of SMOM
Patrick E. Crowley - President of the New York Central Railroad
Spyros S. Skouras - Chairman, president, and CEO of Prudential Lines, Inc.
Gustavo A. Cisneros - Venezuelan Billionaire; Chairman and CEO o/t Cisneros Group of Companies; Media Mogul
King Juan Carlos I of Spain - Club of Rome; Order o/t Garter; Order o/t Golden Fleece; 1001 Club
Ion Cioaba - Self-Proclaimed King of the Gypsies
Elmer Holmes Bobst - President Hoffman-LaRoche & Company; Chairman Warner-Lambert Pharmaceutical Co.; Head of The American Cancer Society
Prince Massimo Spada - Italian Banker & Businessman
Martin F. Shea - Executive vice president of Morgan Guaranty Trust; Vice Chairman of the St. Vincent's Hospital and Medical Center
Otto Erzherzog von Österreich (Dr. Otto von Habsburg) - Crown Prince of Austria; Honorary President of the International Paneuropean Union; Member o/t European Parliament; Order of the Golden Fleece; Grand Master, Military Maria Theresia Order
William H.G. FitzGerald - US Ambassador to Ireland; Vice chairman of Financial General Bankshares; Investor
Edward Bennett Williams - Washington Superlawyer; Founder of law firm Williams & Connelly; Knights of Malta National President
Richard St. John Harris - Grammy Award-winning Irish Actor of International Acclaim
William Frank Buckley Jr. - Author; Commentator; Founder of National Review; Hosted TV show Firing Line; CIA Agent; Skull & Bonesman
James Lane Buckley - US Senator New York; Vice-President and Director of Catawba Corporation; Undersecretary of State for Security Assistance; President of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Inc.; Federal Judge; Skull & Bonesman
Queen Wilhelmina - Queen of the Netherlands; The World's Richest Woman
Emilio T. González - Director of United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS); Under Secretary of Homeland Security; Executive Secretary Task Force on New Americans
Baron Luigi Gedda - Rightwing Idealogue; Head of CIA Funded Catholic Action; Served o/t Advisory board of Gayre and Pearson's Mankind Quarterly
Colonel James J. Phelan - Banker; First President of the American Chapter of SMOM
Lewis E. Lehrman - Founder o/t Investment Firm L. E. Lehrman & Co; Chairman of The Lehrman Institute; Managing Director of Morgan Stanley & Co.; Teacher, Author and Businessman
Count Alexandre de Marenches - Head o/t Service de Documentation Extérieure et de Contre-Espionnage (SDECE, French Intelligence); Founder o/t Safari Club (private Intelligence); Author
Lt. Col. Robert Gayre of Gayre and Nigg - Editor-in-Chief o/t Racist Magazine Mankind Quarterly; Cofounder o/t Augustan Society; Founder of the British branch of St Lazarus
Joseph H. Retinger - Polish Socialist; Founder o/t European Movement; Cofounder of the Bilderberg Club
George J Tenet - CIA Director
Rear Admiral Jeremiah Andrew Denton, Jr. - US Senator from Alabama; Founder o/t National Forum Foundation
General Alfred Maximilian Gruenther - Supreme Allied Commander in Europe (SACEUR); Chief o/t Advanced Planning Group; Director of US Joint Defense Staff; President o/t American Red Cross
Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou - Pretender to the Crown of France
George Macdonald - Oil and Utilities Entrepreneur; Head of the American Chapter of SMOM
Rear Admiral Ellery W. Stone - Chief Commissioner o/t Allied Commission for Italy; US Ambassador to Italy; Vice-president of ITT
Peter S. Lynch - Manager o/t Fidelity Magellan Fund; Fidelity Mutual Fund Whiz; Director of Morrison Knudsen and W. R. Grace & Company; Wall Street Stock Investor; Advisory Committee AmeriCares
Geoffrey T. Boisi - Chairman and Senior Partner of Roundtable Investment Partners LLC; Vice Chairman J.P. Morgan Chase; Partner Goldman Sachs; Investment Banker; Trilateral Commission
Field Marshall Harold Rupert Leofric George Alexander, 1st Earl Alexander of Tunis - Commander-in-Chief o/t forces i/t Middle East 1942; Commander-in-Chief of Italy 1943-1944; Supreme Allied Commander o/t Mediterranean 1944-1945
Prince Cyril Toumanoff - Russian-born Historian and Genealogist; Georgetown Professor
Nicholas Frederic Brady - Owner, Director, or Chairman of over 100 Corporations (!); Cofounder of the American Chapter of SMOM
Major Louis Mortimer Bloomfield - Lawyer; Canadian Zionist; Trained Haganah; Major Shareholder Permindex
William J. Flynn - CEO & Chairman o/t Board for the Mutual of America Insurance Co.; President o/t American Association o/t SMOM
Joseph P. Grace - President of WR Grace & Co
John J. DeGioia - President of Jesuit Georgetown University
Michele "The Shark" Sindona - Banker; Money Launderer; Financial Whiz; Member of P2
Paul-Louis Weiller - Board of Directors of Renault; Former Head of Air France
Baron Luigi Parrilli - Fascist Italian Aristocrat; Intermediary between SS and Allan Dulles
Otto "Scarface" Skorzeny - Waffen SS Colonel; "Hitler's favorite commando"; Arch-fascist and Unrepentant Nazi
Edward L. Hennessy, Jr. - Director o/t New York Stock Exchange; Director Federal Reserve Bank; Chairman and CEO of AlliedSignal Inc.; President, CEO & Clerk Machias Savings Bank
J. Edgar Hoover - FBI Director
Count Umberto Ortolani - Intelligence Officer of OVRA (Opera Volantario per la Regressione Dell’ Autifasismo, Mussolini's fascist secret police); SMOM Ambassador; Italian Banker & Financier
5-Star General Dwight David Eisenhower - Supreme Commander o/t Allied Forces in Europe; Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army; Supreme Commander of NATO; 34th President o/t United States
James A. Fayne - Hornblower & Weeks, investments; Founding Member o/t American Association of SMOM
Morgan J. O'Brien - New York State Supreme Court Justice; Founding Member o/t American Association of SMOM
John D. Ryan - Leader of Montana's Copper Dynasty; Head o/t Anaconda Copper Company; Formed Montana Power; Founding Member of the American Association of SMOM
Terence Cardinal Cooke - Archbishop of New York; SMOM's U.S. Advisor
General Juan D. Péron - President of Nazi Safe-haven Argentina
Admiral Giovanni Torrisi - Chief of the General Staff of the Italian Army; P2 Member
General Giovanni Allavena - Former Head of SIFAR (Italian Military Intelligence); P2 Member
William Randolph Hearst - Founder of the Hearst Corporation; "Father of Yellow Journalism"; Media Mogul
Henry Robinson Luce - Creator of Time-Life Magazine Empire; Media Mogul; Skull and Bonesman
Al Barber - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer of NBC and President of CNBC; President of Corporate Lodging Holdings; President and COO of Catholic Charities
Raymond J. Petersen - Trustee of The Hearst Family Trust; Member of the Board of Directors of Hearst Corporation; Executive vice president of Hearst Magazines; Advertisement Mogul
Joseph F. D'Angelo - Chairman of King Features Syndicate Unit of the Hearst Corporation; Board of Advisors of St. John's University College of Business Administration; Trustee of the J. Edgar Hoover Foundation; President and Chairman o/t Cowles Syndicate and News America Syndicate
Bob Danzig - Nationwide head of The Hearst Newspaper Group and vice president of The Hearst Corporation; Author; Motivational Speaker
Alfred E. Smith IV - Managing Director of Bear Wagner Specialists LLC; Chairman o/t Government Relations Committee for the New York Stock Exchange; Chairman of the Wall Street Division of the Cardinal’s Committee of the Laity; Director and Secretary of the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation
George K. Cooney - President and CEO EUE/Screen Gems Ltd.; Vice Chairman of the New York Medical College; Media Mogul
John D. J. Moore - Lawyer; US Ambassador to Ireland; Chancellor of SMOM; Board of Directors of WR Grace & Co.; OSS and CIA agent
Felix E. Larkin - Lawyer; Department of Defense General Counsel; Chairman of the W. R. Grace Executive Committee
Frank Keating - Governor of Oklahoma; Chairman of the National Review Board; Assistant Secretary o/t Treasury; CEO of American Council of Life Insurers; FBI Agent
Prince Rainier III of Monaco
William A. Schreyer - President of Merrill Lynch; Vice Chairman New York Stock Exchange; CFR; Businessman
General Giovanni De Lorenzo - Head of SIFAR/SID (Italian Secret Service); Head o/t Carabinieri (Italian Paramilitary Police)
Richard Vincent Allen - Reagan National Security Advisor; Mover and Shaker in US Politics
Dr. Thomas Melady - Ambassador to the Vatican, Uganda, Burundi; Senior Adviser to the U.S. Delegation to the United Nations; Executive Vice President of St. Joseph's University (Jesuit); President of Sacred Heart University
John Anthony Volpe - Governor of Massachusetts; US Ambassador to Italy; US Secretary of Transportation; President Associated General Contractors of America
Ray H. Siegfried II - Chairman o/t board of The NORDAM Group; Chairman of the Board for the General Aviation Manufacturers Association
Prof. Luigi Vittorio Ferraris - Ambassador; Member o/t Italian Council of State and Undersecretary of State for Foreign Affairs; President of the Italian Centre for International Conciliation Studies and the Diplomatic Studies Association, Rome, Italy
General Fred Butler - US Supervising Infrastructure Engineer during WWII; Manager o/t San Francisco International Airport; Commissioner for the SF Fire Dept
Dr. Margaret B. Melady - President of The American University of Rome; Chair of the Board of Regents and Marymount International School, Rome; Director of Corporate Communications of United Illuminating
Prof. Dr. Peter Beyerhaus - Leader o/t Masonic Lausanne Movement; Director of the Institute of Missiology and Ecumenical Theology at Tübingen University; Chairman of the Executive Committee o/t International Christian Network
William R. Burleigh - Chairman and CEO of E.W. Scripps; National Review Board Member
James M. Moroney Jr. - COO, CEO and Chairman of Belo; President and CEO of The Dallas Morning News; Director and Founder of Cistercian Preparatory School in Irving (Jesuit)
Bernard Dorin - French Ambassador to Haiti, South Africa; President o/t Amitiés Francophones
William A. Wilson - Reagan's Ambassador to the Vatican; Member o/t Board of directors of Pennzoil Co.; Member o/t Board of directors and Member o/t Audit Committee o/t Earle M. Jorgensen Company
Paul Henkels - Chairman of Henkels & McCoy, Inc.; Chairman of the REACH Alliance; Member o/t Executive Committee o/t Board of Governors of Temple University Hospital, Lejeune Institute, Vatican Observatory Foundation, American College of Louvain University in Belgium
Melquíades Rafael "Mel" Martínez - Junior US Senator from Florida; General Chairman of the Republican Party; 12th Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Edward L. Hearn - Fifth Supreme Knight of the Knights of Columbus; President o/t Insurance Firm the Casualty Company of America
Frederic V. Salerno - President of NYNEX Worldwide Services Group; Chairman and Senior Advisor to Gabelli Group Capital Partners; Verizon CFO; Bell Atlantic CFO; President and CEO of New York Telephone; Corporate Centipede
John Donald Rauth, Sr.- CEO Martin Marietta (now: Lockheed Martin)
Marie Corinne Morrison Claiborne (Lindy) Boggs - US Ambassador to the Vatican; US Congressman, Louisiana; Smithsonian Institution Regent; Close Up Foundation Board of Advisors; Council of American Ambassadors
Frank Charles Carlucci III - US Secretary of Defense; White House National Security Advisor; CIA Deputy Director; US Ambassador to Portugal; Chairman o/t Carlyle Group; Director of Wackenhut and United Defense; Corporate and Political Centipede
Joseph Brennan - Chairman of the executive committee of the Emigrant Savings Bank of New York
Angus Daniel McDonald - President o/t Southern Pacific Company; Bohemian Grover; Trustee of Notre Dame
William Edward Simon, Jr - Assistant United States Attorney; Co-founded William E. Simon & Sons, a global merchant bank; Co-chair o/t William E. Simon Foundation
Robert James "Jim" Nicholson - US Secretary of Veterans Affairs; US Ambassador to the Vatican; Republican National Committee Chairman
Phyllis Schlafly - American Conservative Political Activist; Widely-published Author and Commentator; Founded the Eagle Forum; Members o/t Council for National Policy
Robert Ferdinand Wagner, Jr. - Three term Mayor of New York City; Ambassador to Spain; US Representative to the Vatican; Member of Scroll and Key
Carl Nicholas Karcher - Founder, Chairman and CEO o/t Carl's Jr. Hamburger Chain
Senator Claiborne Pell - Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; Delegate to the 25th and 51st United Nations General Assembly; Author
Marine Corps General Anthony Charles Zinni - Commander in Chief of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM); Distinguished Advisor for Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS); Military Educator
John Cardinal O'Connor - Archbishop of New York; Rear Admiral and Chief of Navy Chaplains
Ronald Wilson Reagan - 40th President of the United States; Actor
"Pizza Pope" Thomas Stephen Monaghan - Founder and CEO of Domino's Pizza; Founder of Strictly Catholic Town: Ave Maria
Jefferson Caffery - U.S. ambassador to El Salvador, Colombia, Cuba, Brazil, France, and Egypt
Robert Henry (Bob) Abplanalp - Aerosol Inventor & Magnate
Richard R. Shinn - Chairman Metropolitan Life Insurance Company; Executive Vice Chairman of the New York Stock Exchange; Member of the Board of Directors of Chase Manhattan
Senator Pietro Vichi "Pete" Domenici (R-NM)
Joseph A. Unanue - President of Goya Foods; Member of the Board of Trustees of the Catholic University of America, the Advisory Board of Banco Popular of New York, the Board of Directors of the American Cancer Society Foundation, Casita Maria, Inc.
Gerald Rudolph Ford, Jr. - 38th President of the United States
Joseph J. DioGuardi - American Accountant and Politician; Author of the Chief Financial Officer's Act; Established the Nonpartisan Foundation: Truth In Government
Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) - Chairman o/t Senate Republican Conference; Joined Lawfirm Eckert Seamans Cherin & Mellott, LLC; Senior Fellow with the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington, D.C.; Contributor to Fox News Channel
Gene F. Jankowski - President and Chairman of the CBS Broadcasting Group; Founder of Jankowski Communications Systems; Member of the Board of Advisors of and Advisor Managing Director Veronis Suhler Stevenson; Chairman of the Board at the Trans-Lux Corporation
Boutros Boutros-Ghali - 6th United Nations Secretary-General; Deputy Prime Minister for Foreign Affairs and Minister of State for Foreign Affairs of Egypt; Vice- President of the Socialist International
Sir Miles Dewey Davis III - Jazz Icon
Terence J. Gallagher - Vice-President for Corporate Governance at Pfizer Inc.
John Sylvester Drum - President American Trust Company; President o/t American Bankers Association; Board Member Pacific Gas & Electric
Lanfranco Amato - Manager of Olivetti Canada
William F. Gorog - Deputy Assistant to the President for Economic Affairs; Executive Director of the Council on International Economic Policy; Cofounder, Chairman and CEO of InteliData Technologies Corporation; Corporate and Banking Centipede
Joseph E. Spinnato - President and CEO of the Hotel Association of New York City, Inc.; Treasurer International Hotel & Restaurant Association (IH&RA)
Louis J Cappelli - Chairman and CEO of Sterling Bancorp; Active in Numerous "Charitable" Organisations; Zionist
Philip Allen Lacovara - Senior Partner in the law firm of Mayer, Brown, Rowe, & Law in New York City; President of the District of Columbia Bar and Chairman of the American Bar Association Section of Individual Rights and Responsibilities; Deputy Solicitor General
Dr. Robert Prantner - Lecturer at the Theological Seminary at the Heiligenkreuz Monastery; Member of Engelwerk, a Right-Wing Catholic organization; Director of Studies at the Political Academy of the Österreichische Volkspartei; Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary of the SMOM
Col. Stefano Giovannone - Italian Military Intelligence (SISMI) Officer; P2 Member
Samuel Jayson LeFrak - Chairman of The Lefrak Organization (Housing Development); Political Centipede
Col. Albert J. Wetzel - Director o/t Atomic Program for Guided Missiles for the Army, Navy and Air Force; Technical Executive to the Assistant to the President; Director of Guided Missiles; Director of the Titan Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Program
Steven Saxton - Chairman, Founder, and CEO Hollywood Studios International
Paul Dietrich - Attorney with Law Firm of Jones Day Reavis & Pogue; President o/t Catholic University of America's Institute for International Health & Development; Publisher and Editor-in-Chief of Saturday Review; TV Producer for CBS and Public Broadcasting; Board of Directors of Federal Association of SMOM
INTERJECTION - The Alliance Between the Orders of Saint John of Jerusalem
Geraldine Frawley - Publisher of the Conservative 'National Catholic Register'
Dr. Roger Pearson - President o/t World Anti-Communist League; Editor of Western Destiny and Mankind Quarterly; Board Member o/t French Neo-Nazi Journal Nouvelle Ecole; British Eugenicist; Neo-Nazi
(OSJ) Nelson Mandela - 11th President of South Africa; 18th Secretary General of Non-Aligned; Anti-apartheid activist; Leader of the African National Congress Movement and its Armed Wing: Spear of the Nation (MK)
(OSJ(+SMOM?)) Sir Nathaniel Mayer Victor Rothschild, 3rd Baron Rothschild - MI5 Agent; Chairman o/t Agricultural Research Council; Worldwide head of research at Royal Dutch Shell; Security Adviser to Margaret Thatcher; Head o/t Central Policy Review Staff
Seán Patrick Cardinal O'Malley - Archbishop of Boston; Member of the Order of Friars Minor Capuchin; Founded Centro Catolico Hispano; SMOM Honorary Chaplain
Joseph Michael Pigott - President of Pigott Realty Ltd.; President o/t Canadian Construction Association and Hamilton Chamber of Commerce; Vice President & Director of the Toronto Dominion Bank and North American Life Insurance Company; Director of Canada Permanent Trust, Artlas Steels Ltd, and United Fuel Investments Ltd.
George Raymond Rocca - Deputy Chief of CIA Counterintelligence under Angleton; Head of CIA section: Research and Analysis, CI/R&A.
Hanna Siniora - Co-CEO o/t Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information (IPCRI)
Dr. Paul McHugh - Head of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University School of Medine; Founder and First Director, Bourne Behavioral Research Laboratory of New York Hospital; Member o/t Presidential Council on Bioethics (Eugenics)
Bob Hope - Actor and Comedian
Vittorio Emanuele IV - Prince of Naples (Last Crown Prince of Italy)
George William Cardinal Mundelein - Archbishop of Chicago
Conrad N. Hilton - Chairman and Director o/t Hilton Hotels Corporation and Hilton International Company
Michael Novak - American Catholic Philosopher, Journalist, Novelist, and Diplomat
Daniel Imperato - Presidential Candidate 2008 (Libertarian Party); American Businessman; Chaplain for the Latin/African American Chaplain's Association
Roberto Alejos Arzú - Guatemalan Sugar Industrialist; Rightwing
Anti-Communist Revolutionary; CIA Asset; Leader of SMOM Guatemala
Sir James Augustine Gobbo - Supreme Court Jurist; Governor of Victoria; Chairman Australian Multicultural Foundation; Chairman Council of the Order of Australia; Chairman Council o/t Electricity Industry Ombudsman
Sir Adrian James Andrew Denis FitzGerald - Conservative UK Politician; Editor of the Monday World (o/t Conservative Monday Club); Honorary Alderman o/t Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea; 24th Knight of Kerry
Charles I of Austria - Last Emperor of Austria; Last King of Hungary; Last Monarch of the Habsburg Dynasty; Generalfeldmarschall in the Austro-Hungarian Army
Prince Rupert zu Löwenstein - President of the British Association of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta; London Based Merchant Banker; Chief Financial Adviser to the Rolling Stones
Delano Eugene Lewis - President and CEO of Chesapeake and Potomac Telephone Company; President and CEO of National Public Radio (NPR); Director, Chairman of Nominating & Corporate Governance Committee; Director of Colgate-Palmolive Co.; Director of Africare and Foundation Schools; etc, etc...
George William Strake - Pioneering Texas oilman; Director o/t Mercantile-Commerce Bank and Trust Company in St. Louis; Chairman o/t Board and President o/t Aluminum Products Company in Houston; Founder o/t Houston Tribune
Fred Monroe Zeder II - Ambassador; Chairman and CEO of Hydrometals Corporation; Chairman o/t board of Paradise Cruise Corporation in Hawaii; Director of the Office of Territorial Affairs; President and CEO of the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC);...
Burton Gerber - CIA Case Officer; CIA Station Chief in Moscow during the Cold War; CFR and Royal Society for Asian Affairs Member; Board of Directors of SHARE (food network)
Baron Jacques G. Jonet - Fascist Ultra-Conservative Anti-Communist Belgian Lawyer; Political Secretary of Otto von Habsburg; President o/t Belgian French holding company Média Participations
Cmdr. John P. "Jack" Fitzpatrick - Naval Intelligence Officer; Vice president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Spain; Vice president and Director of International Affairs of Gulf Oil Corp.
Prof. Dr. Mark J. Wolff - Assistant Dean at St. Thomas University School of Law; Member o/t Board of Directors o/t Human Rights Institute at St. Thomas University; Head o/t Delegation for the SMOM to the UN International Consultative Conference Social Education in relation to Freedom of Religion or Belief, Tolerance and Non-Discrimination

reply to post by gabby2011


I recently found this site as well and I have to say that I am surprised this hasn't been mentioned on ATS more... Seems like it would been kinda like a conspiracy theorists bible.

reply to post by gabby2011


as I and others have commented on the "All Roads Lead to Rome" post...your answers are mostly there

illuminati is just another straw man name to hide who the folks really are

short story bottom line: the Hebrew Elites and Anglo Elites started intermarrying along time ago. Banking and creating big merchant enterprises and trade routes were their thing. Religion was a cover for everything as well. Meanwhile the real elite were still following/adapting older Mystery School religions from their artifacts and Babylonia/Sumerian/Egyptian legacies

Knights Templars, jesuits, freemasons and various other military or religious orders...etc are all manifestations or Legions of what was the most powerful and longest EMPIRE in our recent history: ROME

ROME dominated architecture, science, math, business, war, sports you name it. every thing we have today is due to the Romans and the Greeks elevating what they had as well from former civilizations

Whether some factions split off..and whether that would still be running in the modern age as seen thru say a Rockefeller or Rothschild split..remains to be seen

Personally i don't think these guys are the ultimate top. I think there are other hidden elite families/forces above these "Banking elitist cabals" who claim better bloodline or history- but that's just me

to me its all about the who the modern day Knights Templar are and who's kingdom are they going to fight for..the same ole cabal henchman pricks..or humanity

Choose wisely

Originally posted by libertytoall
How can the illuminati be Jesuits and Zionists at the same time? People need to make up their minds.

edit on 28-9-2011 by libertytoall because: (no reason given)

because all roads lead to ROME

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reply to post by SuperTripps


Thank you for any knowledge and insight you provided..

I am trying to understand the "truth" behind what the Illuminati was and is today, and what their intentions are.

There are so many sources of information out there..and quite frankly some of it is way over my head, some seems like dis-informative lies, and considering I am not a person of high intelligence , with some very solid education on history, and facts...I have muddled through it , trying to find answers.

I certainly don't want to provide information that is not entirely the true picture.. and my deepest regrets if I have done so, without realizing it.

My only hope is that there are wise and knowledgeable souls out there, who are willing to share the understanding they have of history and how it plays into our current events, and care enough to guide those of us who don't, with a better understanding .

reply to post by gabby2011


there are a few wise souls on here

that thread i mention is one of the best of all time on this whole site..and should be run by anyone claming to want to know the truth

the truth is the richest most elite bloodlines directly trace their roots in 1 of 3 scenarios

1. to the Kings of Rome..and to Troy, Babylonia, and probably fricking Atlantis for all we know.

2. thru a jesus/king soloman/king david bloodline.

3. or they trace their roots thru to some other Hebrew /old testament bloodline


whatever you believe..it don't matter. all we know is ROME created the Roman Catholic church..that is provable

Rome/Vatican elevated secret orders like the Knights Templar for 100s of years. they were out fighting for the church but mainly doing archaeological digs, expanding their coroporate/banking enterprise on a international level, etc

then the church wipes out a lot of templars...they end up in france, scotland...then in the new world..years before columbus.

Roman architecture is all over the Washington DC area as well as London. Let alone the administrative law and contact law we use to this day. many including myself only saw it as egyptian/freemason . that is a SERIOUS error to make as then you would be led to believe ROME had nothing to do with this

I think its fair to say...what Remains of the Templars today via the family bloodline...will answer most of these questions.

I am also thinking the true powers live in some of these sovereign countries within countries, like seborga italy and others. these ultimate bloodlines never show up in the Forbes 500. their money is so big and spread out in trusts...its unfathomable

reply to post by The_Phantom


It was well documented and well written. Its funny how far the rabbit hole goes for the Illuminati, but you need to go back much earlier to the priest of Summeria, Eygpt, Sumer and Atlantis days even. The reptilian elites are behind the illuminati. Go even deeper the Illiminati controls all religions, Big Pharma, Military organisations and offcourse Banks as in Rothschilds. Most of the modern banks are related to them behind the scences.

reply to post by libertytoall


That is easy they are not religious at all, they created them.

Originally posted by gabby2011

Originally posted by libertytoall
How can the illuminati be Jesuits and Zionists at the same time? People need to make up their minds.

edit on 28-9-2011 by libertytoall because: (no reason given)

here is a link with many sub links that might answer that question for you.

I understand your confusion.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

this one may be better..it talks about the bloodlines of the illuminati.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

edit on 28-9-2011 by gabby2011 because: (no reason given)

Furthermore, one should not confuse a Christian for a Jesuit nor a Jew for a Zionist. TPTB, Big Media, and our so-called system of education would have you believe otherwise, but is just is not so. Not all Zionist are Jews, nor are all Jews also Zionists. The same goes for Christians and Jesuits. In the grand scheme, however, it is evident that the Jesuits and the Zionists (and I am referring to the Zionists that are in power, i.e., Illuminati, NWO types, etc.) have a parallel agenda.

reply to post by The_Phantom


S & F. This is a good read. I notice that for having as many flags as your post has, it has a limited number of responses. This is one of those posts that actually makes sense and has generated some good replies. Some things require nothing more than open eyes to become evidently clear.