"The towers couldn't have fallen that way..."

If people would just listen to the audio of people calling from the Towers. Here is one of a woman on the 83rd floor, she is saying it is very hot, and there is smoke. Here is one.

www.youtube.com...

Please listen to this poor woman as she is facing her last minute of death. The 911 operator does not know what to say to help this lady. This floor is way below the impact zone.

She says it is very hot everywhere on the floor. Now tell the loved ones of this woman that the building was not burning inside, the steel beams were not weakened. She does not mention bombs or explosions, just that it is very hot and she is going to die.

Such disrespect for the poor people who suffered in this terrible tragedy to argue about whether or not the fire was hot enough to collapse the building. These 911 operators would need therapy after taking all these calls from people inside the building.

The buildings turned to DUST.

Steel girders two feet thick and reinforced concrete floors, turned to dust.

Things don't turn to dust when they are dropped.

I would love to see an example of this happening anywhere else, let alone to three buildings on the same day.

Originally posted by sdocpublishing
The buildings turned to DUST.

Steel girders two feet thick and reinforced concrete floors, turned to dust.

Things don't turn to dust when they are dropped.

I would love to see an example of this happening anywhere else, let alone to three buildings on the same day.

The spray on foam fireproofing, (you know the stuff that easily turns to dust) is what turned to dust.
A 1.5" plus layer of it was applied to 3 sides of the core columns, spandrel plates, floor trusses, and underside of the floors.

Forget the trap they are keeping you in with these stupid theories.....

WHO FREEKING DID 911? Israel all over it, Pakistan all over it, Bin laden denies, Israel profits, Iraq 1/2 destroyed, Afghanistan 1/2 destroyed. \

People are not stupid. Just because they are not here arguing with fools doesnt not mean they do not know. When the time comes all good people will rise up.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder


People are not stupid.

The existence of Truthers disproves this theory.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

When the time comes all good people will rise up.

Aw knock it off, your witch hunt is going nowhere.

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Witch hunt?

oh and you forgot to quote "WHO FREEKING DID 911? Israel all over it, Pakistan all over it, Bin laden denies, Israel profits, Iraq 1/2 destroyed, Afghanistan 1/2 destroyed. "

Its all bout educating people. There needs to be no revolution or riot. People need to know.
Type in flight 93 or Shanksville in Google image search and you will see my and others work which outways anything 'official'. Mission complete dude.

Btw nobody is here to convince YOU of anything. Like the old saying, "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." Get it?

Type in " Israel 911 ptech amdocs spy shadow hijcaker florida art student " for starters or watch

Google Video Link

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Type in " Israel 911 ptech amdocs spy shadow hijcaker florida art student "

Ptech...isn't that the jew hunt thread you bumped yesterday that no one responded to ? No thanks.

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911 Truther Fail.

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Originally posted by JPhish
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The person making extraordinary claims is the one who must provide the extraordinary evidence.

I'm claiming that they blew up some buildings and lied to the public about it.

You are the one making the claim...not me... I WATCHED as the second plane hit the tower, and so did millions of Americans, yet you are claiming this is not so?...

Originally posted by JPhish
You're claiming www.youtube.com... ?

That video made by just another blogger with nothing to do not only oversimplifies the whole thing but exagerates, and even lies...

Bush said terrorists did it and the blogger claims it is impossible for him to know it?... Who else did it CIA agents?...

Originally posted by JPhish
Are you seriously demanding I provide negative proof for something that DIDN'T happen???

It DID happen.... we watched it, and it wasn't some hologram like some people with some mental problems like to claim...

Originally posted by JPhish
All they did was fly a plane/UMV/etc close to a building and blow that building up.

Really?.. and then the three large 767 just dissapeared?...wow...

BTW, in case you didn't know, obviously the blogger you gave a link to doesn't know, Islamic terrorists unfortunately have been able to hijack passenger planes several times...

Originally posted by JPhish
www.youtube.com...

edit on 9/28/2011 by JPhish because: (no reason given)

What the hell?.... You are out of your mind... What the heck does Penn and Teller have to do with 9/11?...

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Wow, so all that writting just to argue over semantics?... and you claim that makes a point?...

Not only that, then you play a CARTOON and say that's some sort of proof of how you claim we are being played?...

There are a lot of people, and organizations that LOVE for Americans to be fighting each other, and I doubt that's the U.S. government. Or at least not all of government agents. I do know for certain that there are different factions who have infiltrated the U.S. government and want different things, but 9/11 was no "demolition job", and there WERE 767 planes which crashed against the towers and the Pentagon...

I do not trust the U.S. government to tie my shoes, because as a Republican (and btw like MOST Republicans I am NOT rich, not even close....) I believe we need a smaller government, but I also know there are real enemies out there that are working 24/7 to turn Americans against one another and our government completely, and many of those peope are posting daily in websites like this one.

Some of those people are even blaming Israel for 9/11, and if we did a research on at least who originally made these claims I am CERTAIN that many of those people are Islamic extremists.

Yes Islamic extremists DO HAVE COMPUTERS AND LAPTOPS....

The left is being played AGAIN just like they were played during the 60s and the 70s by the communists, but this time by Islamic extremists.

Has the U.S. government done questionable things? sure it has, like ALL governments...

But you are being played not to trust the U.S. government at all on anything, which in turn has made some left leaning extremists who are in power like Janet Napolitano turn even against Americans simply because too many people like you are believing the lies from the Islamic extremists...

Yes, Islamic extremism DOES EXIST...

Yes, Islamic extremists do want for the U.S. to be in complete chaos, just like they did during the 7th century AD to parts of Europe, and just like they did during the 1800s when the U.S. and the Forefathers of the U.S. had to wage large wars known as the Barbary Wars against the Islamic extremists more than 200 years ago...

The first one of such wars lasted five years... and that was back in the 1800s...

In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripolis envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once. [12]
...

en.wikipedia.org...

Yes, Islamic extremists do want to finish what their prophet wanted and started...for the world to be subject to Islam by any and all means...

When you have as an idol, a prophet, and as a role model figure a murderer, rapist, and raider who even chopped the heads off people who had surrendered, and then took the wives of those same people he, and his followers, murdered as slave/wives, you will have generations upon generations of Islamic extremists willing to do the same things their idol and prophet did centuries ago...

Read up on history, and TRY to educate yourself on the reality of the world...

Even back in the 18th century, like they did in the 7th century and for centuries after, and they never stopped, ISlamic extremists were already attacking nations WHICH HAD DONE THEM NO HARM just because their prophet told them to, and today's Islamic extremists are doing the same.

Today their weapons include not only terrorizing, but deception, turning Americans against Americans, and other nations against each other just so they can TRY to reach the goal their prophet set them on since the 7th century...

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Originally posted by GodlyHavoc
Well guys don't forget that the empire state building was hit by a B-25 bomber which weighed 33,000 lbs and a wingspan of 67 feet crashed into the 79th floor and guess what id didn't collapse. So how does another plane that yes is bigger hits another building and it falls.... hit something vital and collapsed? How about the other building?
Just food for thought

The Empire State building was built differently than the WTC... The WTC towers were made to sway with the wind, while the Empire State building was made to stand rigid....

That's just one difference of the several differences...

You are trying to compare apples and oranges...

Oh, and btw, let's compare the sizes of a B-25 bomber, and a 676 passenger plane shall we?....



B-25 bomber-
North American B-25C Mitchell. Dimensions: Length: 52.92ft (16.13m) Width: 67.55ft (20.59m) Height: 15.75ft (4.80m)



Boeing 767 -
Dimensions
Wing span 47.57m (156ft 1in), length 48.51m (159ft 2in), height 15.85m (52ft 0in). Wing area 283.3m2 (3050sq ft).

Comparison-

B-25 Length: 52.92ft - Boeing 767 Length: 159ft 2in

B-25 Height: 15.75ft - Boeing 767 Height: 52ft 0in

Speeds-

B-25 maximum speed: 272 mph - Boeing 767 maximum speed: 567 mph

Yet people want to claim that the WTC towers should have resisted just the same as the Empire building?...

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Its not my job to theorize. its our job to voice our opinion, and provide information that has been discovered. the theorizing should technically be left for those trully investigating,, those who have the resources and funds.. we are people on the internet.. you bummed we stopped theorizing because you all never believed anyone anyways..

The truth isnt what they said, and thats final. The theorizing will commence once the investigation has commenced and they release real information to the public.

I can sit here all day and say it was nukes, and gamma rays, and remote planes and king kong... but its useless.. since thats what people wanna hear just so they can feel good about themselves saying "you're stupid truther" in response.

we all know now how these forums work.. everyone assumes and no one converses. its a name calling forum.


9/11 is not what they said it was..

Well here is a CHALLENGE for all the truthers on here IF you think that the mass falling on both towers above the aircraft impact points could not cause a total collapse can you please SHOW how you calculated the impact force that was generated.

So for the North Tower what would the impact force be on the floor level when the 15 floors above fell?

The South Tower 31 floors, now to make things easy just use the 700 tons of concrete that each floorslab had!

Lets see how you guys work that out!!!!

So for the North Tower 15x700 tons = 10500 The South 31x700= 21700 tons. Drop distance 12 feet (one floor)

So lets see how you guys work out what force would be generated???

Originally posted by GodlyHavoc
Well guys don't forget that the empire state building was hit by a B-25 bomber which weighed 33,000 lbs and a wingspan of 67 feet crashed into the 79th floor and guess what id didn't collapse. So how does another plane that yes is bigger hits another building and it falls.... hit something vital and collapsed? How about the other building?
Just food for thought

So you have a plane with a fraction of the MASS hitting a building at a fraction of the speed.

Then The Empire State Building is cladd with LIMESTONE SLABS(and brick walls) not thin aluminium
The steel frame is a 3d grid ie internal steel columns not tube in tube like the Twin Towers

Yet one of the bombers engines made it though and out the other side of the Empire State Building did YOU actually know that.

See you actually have to compare like with like NOT what you mind seems to think is like with like!

Look at the image below of that crash look at the THICKER FLOORS slabs and the WALL construction a lot more substantial than the Twin Towers!!!

Forget these stupid theories that skeptic and pseudo-truthers are promoting. Research real topics like Google: p-tech 911 Israel

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Other Skyscraper Fires
Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse

The One Meridian Plaza fire
Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse. Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7. In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors, produced extensive window breakage, exhibited large areas of emergent flames, and went on for several hours. The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things.

The One Meridian Plaza Fire
One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors and causing an estimated $100 million in direct property loss. It was later described by Philadelphia officials as "the most significant fire in this century".

The fire caused window breakage, cracking of granite, and failures of spandrel panel connections. Despite the severity and duration of the fire, as evidenced by the damage the building sustained, no part of the building collapsed.
The First Interstate Bank fire

The First Interstate Bank Fire
The First Interstate Bank Building is a 62-story skyscraper in Los Angeles that suffered the worst high-rise fire in the city's history. From the late evening of May 4, 1988 through the early morning of the next day, 64 fire companies battled the blaze, which lasted for 3 1/2 hours. The fire caused extensive window breakage, which complicated firefighting efforts. Large flames jutted out of the building during the blaze. Firefighting efforts resulted in massive water damage to floors below the fire, and the fire gutted offices from the 12th to the 16th floor, and caused extensive smoke damage to floors above. The fire caused an estimated $200 million in direct property loss.

A report by Iklim Ltd. describes the structural damage from the fire:

In spite of the total burnout of four and a half floors, there was no damage to the main structural members and only minor damage to one secondary beam and a small number of floor pans.
The 1 New York Plaza Fire


1 New York Plaza is a 50-story office tower less than a mile from the World Trade Center site. It suffered a severe fire and explosion on August 5, 1970. The fire started around 6 PM, and burned for more than 6 hours.

Caracas Tower Fire
The tallest skyscraper in Caracas, Venezuela experienced a severe fire on October 17, 2004. The blaze began before midnight on the 34th floor, spread to more than 26 floors, and burned for more than 17 hours. Heat from the fires prevented firefighters from reaching the upper floors, and smoke injured 40 firefighters.

Lax enforcement of fire codes in Venezuela was blamed for the malfunctioning of water pumps and a lack of fire extinguishers inside of the building. Because the building was empty when the fire broke out, no civilians were killed or injured.


The Windsor Building fire
A more recent case of a severe high-rise fire is the one that destroyed the Windsor Building in Madrid, Spain on February 12, 2005. The Windsor fire was more severe than any of the fires described above, and the incident has been widely publicized, with comparisons to the fires in the three World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11/01. However, the Windsor Building, unlike all the buildings mentioned above, was framed in steel-reinforced concrete rather than steel. Hence it is described on a separate page, which notes differences between the response of these different types of structures to fires.



The Hotel Mandarin Oriental blazes
The most recent example of a spectacular skyscraper fire was the burning of the Hotel Mandarin Oriental starting on February 9, 2009. The nearly completed 520-foot-tall skyscraper in Beijing caught fire around 8:00 pm, was engulfed within 20 minutes, and burned for at least 3 hours until midnight. Despite the fact that the fire extended across all of the floors for a period of time and burned out of control for hours, no large portion of the structure collapsed.

It is tempting to draw parallels between this spectacle and the destruction of WTC 1, 2, and 7 because of the stark opposites: on 9/11/01, three skyscrapers were transformed into piles of rubble primarily as a consequence, supposedly, of fires -- fires spanning small fractions of each building; and on 2/09/09, a skyscraper remained intact after burning like a torch for hours.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Forget the trap they are keeping you in with these stupid theories.....

WHO FREEKING DID 911? Israel all over it, Pakistan all over it, Bin laden denies, Israel profits, Iraq 1/2 destroyed, Afghanistan 1/2 destroyed. \

People are not stupid. Just because they are not here arguing with fools doesnt not mean they do not know. When the time comes all good people will rise up.

Did you not see the news yesterday of Al Qaeda blasting Ahmindinejad for believing the same conspiracy theory?

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