The Jonestown Massacre

There were rumors of a cable dispatched from Jones to an unknown recipient about "getting the governor back to the U.S."

Not sure how any of that fits in...but to me it sounds like the governor was close to either

A.) Finding out the truth behind the operation, if it was indeed a CIA/DARPA project of some magnitude
B.) Uncovering a truth about Jones himself, tied in with point A
C.) Jones was ordering the death of the governor at the airstrip

If anyone can confirm or provide a link to the cable in question, please do. I'm going to follow-up after some research this evening, but perhaps somebody can provide an immediate answer.

I heard about this at the time it happened. This had an effect like making every alternative spiritual group look cultish, and anyone pursuing New Age stuff at the time had to worry about being called a dangerous cult. Deprogrammers abound in the land after that, and people would kidnap their relatives out of "cults" forcibly and "deprogram" from their beliefs.

People in my circle felt that it was an event which was used to scare people out of trying New Age ideas. If it was MK ULTRA they did a darn good job of keeping New Agers at bay and keep everybody in the same ruts of old thinking religiously. Now there is Marxism in the Church instead of learning about Higher Consciousness.
I found out only recently that Harvey Milk supported Jim Jones and wrote a letter to Carter stating that he thought he was a man of good character.
I need to study this more to understand the communist/socialist angle and the MKULTRA connection. I don't understand the point of it unless Jones was using it to entice people. If money was involved it was probably greed.

People are such sheep makes me want to start my owl religion or cult.

2nd

Well it makes you wonder if

The Government is doing it again in a Different direction of degree Towards Children

Jesus Camp
en.wikipedia.org...


Luckily !

Jesus Camp Shuts Down Due to Negative Response

The controversial Jesus Camp in the US has shut down after a documentary film which featured events of children praying in tongues and sobbing with repentance in the camp met with a negative response.

by Gretta CurtisPosted: Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 10:34 (GMT)
www.christiantoday.com...

Jesus camp trailer


Brain Washing ( Jesus Camp ''Highlights'' )



You Gotta Be F***ing Kidding me Moment !
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Jesus Camp Extract Praise Bush


CIA at it Again ?

Imagine if Russia had a military presence down there and you took one of their nuclear warheads.

How would you get it out? Kill all those people who the US weren't happy with anyways. Smuggle the nuke out leaving such a chaotic mess the Russian's would run away from. They wouldn't want to be seen foraging thru all those dead bodies....and get blamed for it.

So some story is created that they all killed themselves.



Well if I was a Special Operations Commander that's what I would have done. Nobody will ever know the truth...well unless Russia did end up with a missing nuclear warhead. They'd know. But they'd be so scared they'd never say anything.

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Thank yoy
its much easier to say something than to prove it
I was going to say, wow there all on their stomachs, weird
But know I know they got killed and some willing
I learned something today

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I know reminds me of this also:






Cult of Personality
en.wikipedia.org...

A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods, to create an idealized and heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.[1] Cults of personality are usually associated with dictatorships. The sociologist Max Weber developed a tripartite classification of authority; the cult of personality holds parallels with what Weber defined as 'charismatic authority'.

A cult of personality is similar to hero worship, except that it is established by mass media and propaganda. However, the term may be applied by analogy to refer to adulation of religious or non-political leaders.

While the cult of personality generally applies to the enhancement and promotion of a political or religious doctrine, it stands to reason that it is also asserted in everyday situations where popularity is used to advocate conformity to philosophies and lifestyles, even products and attitudes by way of peer pressure and herd mentality.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by CynicalDrivel

 

Thank you for posting before the thread was even completely posted, that's greatly appreciated.

All I remember stating was that James Jones grew up in the same faith I did. I didn't state any conclusions. It was removed for "being off topic because this is a big thread or because I was warned to stay on topic", (was more likely removed because it was an innocuous place-card note that aggravated someone) so whatever.

But it's nothing to do with me that it takes you 3 lengthy posts to come to the end of your information.


So, because it is important to my reply to your well thought out text:

He was not a Fundamentalist pastor as many reports in the media and the anti-cult movement claim. He belonged to a mainline Christian denomination, having been ordained in the Christian Church/Disciples of Christ. (At the time of his ordination, the DoC allowed a local congregation to select and ordain a minister on their own. However, ordinations conducted without denominational endorsement were not considered valid within the rest of the church.)

Not that you really covered this, but what Jim has been labeled as coming from has added to the slanderous accusations about various religious movements. There's plain a lot of random misinformation on the subject out there.

Some other conspiracy theories have been mentioned, on that site as well, by the way: Here, like:

Some claim that Jonestown was a spectacularly successful grass-roots demonstration of what people could accomplish if they break free of capitalism and join in a common cause. They speculate that the U.S. government assassinated the people at Jonestown because they could not tolerate its success. 12

You've done ok with laying out the plausibility that Jim was probably a covert agent from the beginning, but I can see him as a potential more "innocent" kook as well.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

I think Gritz was right and then when Ryan began investigating the CIA decided to pull the plug on the operation.

I agree, based on Jim Jones' government ties and his shady background, it's hard for me to think he wasn't involved with the government in one way or another with Jonestown. What other reason would there be to kill the Congressman and news crew than trying to hide the mind-control experiments? Did they consider their compound holy or something?

1. How likely is it for there to be more than just Jim's control on the subjects? Does he have to be working with the CIA to have his followers go crazy due to manipulation? There could be covert operators in Jim's group that had more than one set of rules guiding them. 2. The congressmen could have been killed because he wasn't so easily duped as Jim and his followers, and was about to out a lot of mess, but it was far more likely that the congressman was killed for far simpler reasons than CIA and mind-control experiments. If the congressman was stupid enough to threaten Jim to his face over anything, would you put it past that leader to have the guy axed? The CIA doesn't have to be involved for this to have happened.

Originally posted by LuFri
I read an article a few years ago that said there was a CIA camp close to Jonestown and they were planning some type of operation. When Ryan showed up they got nervous and that was the real reason for the slaughter and they shut down Jonestown as well as their camp. Sorry don't have a link to the story right now.

This may have been what he was talking about in the video about the they who wouldn't let "us" out alive. Hrm.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Exactly.

I just stumbled across this after looking through the "Stuff they dont want you to know" thread..

reply to post by MasterGemini


Thanks for sharing that video link. It really helps to balance out that there are not all bad apples
in the basket.

Cheers to positive thought generation ....

You should add the dog to the list of the 913...poor pouch.

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Guyana was a Communist nation. Of course the doctor had to be flown in by the F.B.I. And Jim Jones aligned himself with that Communist country to be able to stay there. Amazing that little part was not mentioned.

reply to post by CynicalDrivel



Jim Jones was from Lynn, Indiana. He grew up living with his grandmother in Lynn, Indiana. He was raised in a mainline Christian denomination church but when he was a teenager, he began attending a Pentecostal church. He moved to California, started drugs and experimenting with all kinds of sexual activities. He made statements that he was God and that he was in control of everything. People believed him and followed him.

He denounced his citizenship from the United States and got permission from the Communist leaders in Guyana to live there. A lot of people died trusting him. That is the real tragedy of Jonestown.

I had a question about a statement you made in your first post. you said there was a message left on a phone that his meal ticket had his head blown off or something to that affect. First there were no phones that you could leave messages on and text was not available in 1978 until the mid 90's. so you are either manufacturing evidence or you meant on an answering machine but no on a phone that would have been impossible for 1978.

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Definitely Jim Jones had a cult of personality, no doubt about that. I have to say though that in the beginning, Jim Jones was good, had good motives and did a lot of good work for the elderly and minorities. He set up medical services and took people off the street. But somewhere along the way he lost his mind and was a megalomaniac. He was controversial for the social programs he started.

The F.B.I became interested in him because he was taking social security checks from the people he was supposed to be helping. In his own tapes he made during his services you can tell he was on drugs and he was becoming increasingly paranoid. If you hear his speeches, he keeps saying he is God and that his people have to escape with him.

I remember when it happened and my dad grew up not far from Lynn, Indiana where Jim Jones was from. I was 12 when the Jonestown Massacre happened and remember my relatives from Indiana talking about it because some of them remembered him when he was younger.

reply to post by ChesterJohn

I had a question about a statement you made in your first post. you said there was a message left on a phone that his meal ticket had his head blown off or something to that affect. First there were no phones that you could leave messages on and text was not available in 1978 until the mid 90's. so you are either manufacturing evidence or you meant on an answering machine but no on a phone that would have been impossible for 1978.

I'm not manufacturing any evidence, this is taken from Jesse Ventura's book American Conspiracies. Everything is sourced, so if you don't think it's legitimate, track down who is responsible for that piece of information and take it up with them.

Here ya go:

Holsinger quote: “Slain Congressman to be Honored,” San Mateo (Calif.) Daily Journal, November 12, 2008

reply to post by WarminIndy

Guyana was a Communist nation. Of course the doctor had to be flown in by the F.B.I. And Jim Jones aligned himself with that Communist country to be able to stay there. Amazing that little part was not mentioned.

I don't know anything about Guyana, but the FBI flew him in there? Are you sure about that? Because that's a pretty big detail that I'm suprised Ventura left out.

reply to post by TupacShakur



Jesse Ventura also said "If you were to come to Minnesota, I could have you locked up like that. That's power".
He also said if he ran for president he would win and that he was no longer going to be in politics.

Jesse Ventura was a professional wrestler, the biggest fake thing on television outside reality tv.

www.youtube.com...

He was and still is a big talker.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

Guyana was a Communist nation. Of course the doctor had to be flown in by the F.B.I. And Jim Jones aligned himself with that Communist country to be able to stay there. Amazing that little part was not mentioned.

I don't know anything about Guyana, but the FBI flew him in there? Are you sure about that? Because that's a pretty big detail that I'm suprised Ventura left out.

I was responding to the poster who said that.

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definitely a ritual killing for some dark reasons