RIP Australia 1788-2012

I totally agree with what you said in your opening thread. I lived in Australia for 4 years and returned to the UK in August this year. I found the whole political thing in Australia so doom and gloom and as though there was nothing to look forward to. Even the charisma of the politicians is about as charismatic as a water melon asleep in a drain. They seem to say so much, but in reality what they say actually means nothing at all. All the politicians seem to do is waffle on and try not to give any kind of answer to any kind of question. They basically get paid for doing nothing at all, as for Julia Gillard, what a puppet and the most boring monotone voiced person who should not even be Prime Minister.

I know that the world is in crisis at the moment and the UK is not the happiest of places at the moment, but I am so glad to have left the shores of Oz. The smile has returned to my face and I never want to return to the shores of Oz again....

All the best to you........

Aussie Patriot....Please.

Why don't you tell us all your real motives for posting this on ATS, are you a member of the Liberal Party? Are you acting on behalf of one the corporations trying to protect every last cent of their Billions of dollars in profits? Are you Alan Jones? or are you just someone that listens blindly to the Murdoch media's biased lies?

There are two clear options on the table. The first is to price carbon or a ' Carbon Tax' which is the one we are going with which you are against. This involves taxing the biggest polluters in the economy and using the revenue raised from taxing these large corporations to assist the majority of Australians cope with the intitial increases in the cost of living.as the greedy corporations pass on the cost of the tax to consumers. The theory is that the corporations will invest in using cleaner technology to avoid the tax and gain competitive advantage.

The second option, which you obviously advocate because it is one or the other, is the Liberal Parties direct action plan. This involves taxing every working Australian directly out of their wages and giving the revenue raised to the the big multi billion dollar comapanies that are the biggest polluters in the hope they use it to move to cleaner technology. Unbelievably, these corporations along with all elitists in Australia have spent millions in advertising and have managed to convince the sheeple that this is the best option despite the fact it puts all the cost onto the majority of Australians and passes the money to them. Its a sick joke..

Whether you believe in climate change or not does not matter. The fact is that at the moment the Australian economy is completely and totaly reliant on exporting our coal and if demand for coal drops we are up the creek without a paddel because our manufacturing has already gone and our prime agricultural land has been sold off to these same corporations. People need to understand that China has set itself a target of around 40% reduction in emmisions by 2020 and if they get even halfway there the Australian economy will be completey RS. We have developed many new technologies which have since been sold off overseas because of lack of investment. We should be leading the way because the change is going to hit us harder than anyone else.

As for your assesment of the economic management through the GFC. We are the best performing economy in the Western World because our Government kept everyone in their jobs. Go and live in the US or Europe at the moment and you see what happens when you don't act fast, or your solution is to lower tax for the elites which was what Turnbull wanted to do. This is another elitist tactic to save them money and does nothing but guarantee deep recession. Show me one example where that strategy has ever worked throughout history. There is not point giving more money to people who don't need it, you need to give it to people who need it and will spend it in the economy and keep it ticking over.

As for Gillard lying. We voted and the result was a hung parliament. The greens have the balance of power, hence we are having a carbon tax. Simple.

Wake up Australia.

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define decent please.
To quote that knob 'Fair shake of the sauce bottle', the guy has no idea what he is doing and neither does she.
He can't even speak plain english always trying to invent colloquialisms.

if you mean decent as in he seemed nice, thats all fair and good but he like Julia has absolutely no idea. They belong to the same party for starters, they have the same policies so they stand for the same thing.

I've never been huge on celebrating australia and have always felt confused about our origins and who we are as a nation.

I feel very alien to this country despite being born and raised here. It seems we have nothing to be proud of other than the natural beauty of this country - which has remained unchanged and the same even before we were here.

I have no understanding of why anyone is proud (non english) of our monarchy and origins? Sure if you're british, it would make sense to respect the queen as that is your prerogative, but i'm 21, and looking at some people my age who have no affiliation with the UK, (even the 5th+ generation australians) - they seem to have a lot of respect for england and its political origins.

My parents and their families moved here from southern europe when they were younger, making me, my cousins and my siblings "1st generation" of our family - and i cannot see any reason for me to allege with the queen OR our entire political system which relies on the fundamental structure of the monarch.

This may sound off-topic, but it all comes back to this nation's political system. If i am to ever have great respect for our government or have some sort of sense of "pride", breaking off from england would be a must, otherwise i'm just a resident of a nation that heavily takes it's values and laws from another nation's government i have not had anything to do with.

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sorry, I meant to reply to your post

I think the funniest thing I ever witness while I was down in Australia about a dozen years ago, is that when they had a referendum to "stay with the crown, under the queen" or detach from it, the majority voted for the Queen. I don't get it, even today, I just don't get it. Can someone explain (who's a native of Australia)?

Please could a moderator delete the other one, sorry for the trouble, thanks

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But the people who voted for the greens were hoping for a change from the labour policies i.e. the rudd gov which became the goolia gov by means of coup so to speak.

So by definition the people who voted green hoping for a change inevitably handed their vote back to labour in effect changing nothing.

I don't know what the independents were thinking but i reckon they're wishing they could take their preference back.

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I feel sorry that kangaroos will now be completely dominated =/

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I'm 21, i've spent my life here, but i'm still finding great difficulty in understanding this, as you are. haha so perhaps you could say this australian is just as ignorant.

Even during the will and kate wedding saga, it was making it's way through the headlines like an out of control fire. Everyone was in on the celebration. You may say we're just happy for them, but it's one thing to show happiness, and something completely different to look up to them.

We had everyone looking up to them as our leaders. Plain australians who are probably as australian as you could be, would look up to them with such respect, like all 22 million australians owe them something.
I wish this country would really move away from the breast and carry on - it's not like i get together with other italian kids and celebrate the italian government. You would cop a great sense of embarassment and crap for doing that around here - but the monarch is okay.

EDIT: We were practically trying to be like them during the royal wedding. From making english food to waving flags around. Mind you, during the 2004 athens olympics, we went through a phase of trying to be greek, so maybe we just have no identity, and australia is like a little kid lost in an amusement park

Fluoride in the water = No protests.

Huge deficit = World War 3

Good luck in Australia.

Things in Australia are cheap.

I was looking for Toyota truck parts and found a website in Australia selling parts for 1/5th of what they cost in America.

You cheap blokes can still buy those old fashioned refrigerators that only need kerosene and light a little flame in the bottom to cool your stuff.

Australia's bought more of those Buell motorcycles than anyone else in the world. You've been living pretty high on the hog. You all live in homes.

But Nostradamus predicted Australia would die.

The MABUS quatrain. MABUS is the 3rd anti-christ.

-Mexico
-Australia
-Britain
-US

Supposedly when this comet passes Earth, MABUS is dead. Then WWIII starts.

Australia's freedoms fell apart when they began banning films and prohibiting alcohol in some parts, along with considering to prohibit pornography.

She's a shill for the NWO.

www.smh.com.au...

Originally posted by ForeverDusk

Originally posted by bluemirage5
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If you go back to the Australian Constitution, it was ratified by the people before being sent to Queen Victoria for her stamp of approval but not before having the UK Parliament pass it through. They made approx 60 odd changes and was sent back to be re-ratified by the Australian people before Queen Victoria could agree to it.

This is precisely why the ties to the crown ought to be severed. The original Australian Constitution could have been ratified by the people and that would have been the end of it, just like ours was here in America. No approval or amendment by the British whatsoever. Wake up the Australians. Wake up the Canadians. Wake up the New Zealanders. They are still under the rule of Elizabeth and eventually her sons. This international governance is dangerous and unnecessary.

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I have to jump in here, The monarchy have had no actual say in what occurs in Canada, Australia, New Zealand or any other commonwealth country for quite some time. They are completely powerless they simply are there to look pretty much like having fine porcelain in a glass cabinet.

I totally understand and believe that the big western powers are actually crumbling together not for global political agendas or global conspiracies but for greed pure and simple.

The heads of government are completely in the back pocket of big business who give plenty of backhanders to secure large contracts and the reason the world is the way it is now is because both big business i.e Banks and the Government have made reckless attempts to attain further wealth.

I'm starting to see more that it's not part of some conspiracy for some NWO to take over but more a case of complete incompetence in government not maintaining control of it's spending and doing what it should do which is govern, They should be watching big business and stopping them from doing things that would put the economy of the country they are in in jeopardy. The government should act as a watchdog more often than not and out of the interests of it's citizens.

But hey i guess i'm an idealist and i know it's wishful thinking to want that.

Look at who is the prime minister of New Zealand John Key, Look at his past and you tell me if that he doesn't wreak of power and monetary greed, He was a damn investment banker. The very last type of people we should put in control of a country are bankers.

If you can prove that the queen of today actually has done anything at all that shows she has control over a country show me.

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Really? Australia is borrowing money from China?

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Have fun going back to the way of aborigines.
And being killed in your own country like south africa.

I'll be with you soon..

America, out.

Carbon tax is part of a conspiracy. There is no global warming resulting from burning hydrocarbons. The latest scientific evidence from NASA proves it. Yet Mr. ManBearPig calls us fascist and racist for not believing him.

Originally posted by ThinkingCap
Fluoride in the water = No protests.

Huge deficit = World War 3

Good luck in Australia.

Not only that, but the law-abiding citizens have been disarmed as well.

This is all anyone really needs to know about Gillard: "There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead." And oops, there's going to be anyway! She only said it to make the sheep feel better about voting for her. She's a liar, a sellout and I'm no fan of the Liberals, but in comparison to Labor they are the lesser of two gigantic evils. Both are owned by the same people and are working towards a NWO, but they still perform differently.

Australia is going down the pipes really quickly, just like the rest of the West. Something will be done eventually, but the sheep are still too happy with their copious amounts of junk food and watching junk on TV (essentially rotting away in body and mind) to care what mess they're leaving for the future generations to clean up.

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Unfortunately, there may be NO future generations to fix the problem! If we allow the 'Powers That Be' to continue with the course they have plotted that may be all too true!

Zindo

Don't get me wrong here I'm not a Gillard fan in the slightest, but your post is moronic post, its indicative of the sexist deep right movement that has arisen in Australia. We are in the position we are in from poor policy making in the Howard years, poor policy implementation in the Rudd years and a pm without the confidence to make intelligent decisions in Gillard.

Blaming one person displays a clear lack of ability to undertake any form of objective analysis and lack of understanding on how our political system works.

And apologies but I have to make an ad hom attack here, but your name shows your true colours. Patriotism, is as bad as religion, it is blind faith in something that has little meaning other than the BS we give it. I'm getting so fed up with you ignorant fools.