Iran shows hatred for U.S.

It's the same anywhere that has tv or radio. It's going to be used to fire up the folks against whatever the commonly perceived enemy is. Only trouble is, many places don't have two or three sides represented. They have one side, and that's the government. At least here in the US I can hear from people who hate Bush as well as those who like him. Other places, you'd better like (insert leader here) or you're toast.

I don't care if they burn 100 flags and hate our guts until the meteor hits. Everyone in the world is free to hate us or love us. As far as history goes, everybody has screwed over everybody at some point or another, and continue to do so today. And I believe that for every governmental snake-in-the-grass action we know about, there are 100 more we don't and won't. The problem is, at this point there's no way we can make good. If we extended a true, honest olive branch it would be viewed with high suspicion and we'd be bashed for it. If we ignore them and let them hate at will, we will be bashed for it. If we end up in armed conflict with them, we will be blamed for it and bashed. Nothing we do will matter. And I believe that is true no matter who's in office. And I don't think it's because of Bush. Lots of folks hated us before he was in office, it's just now they have him for an excuse to be more vocal and aggressive about it.

the worst case scenario for America is this:

1) America is Babylon the Harlot

2) America gets brought down in a series of stages

3) First by terrorists

4)Then America spoils many countries

5) Then when America stops spoiling many countries she herself is spoiled (this involves Russia, China and many arabic countries)

Most of you now think i am a total nut job as what ive posted seems so out of context.For those of you who dont believe in the bible, think its some conspiracy to control people and has no relevance today please STOP reading NOW!

For the rest of you please read Habbabak, Jeremiah , Isaiah and Revelations!!
Ive made tons of posts about this over and over so Im not going to repost the same stuff. Short and sweet of it is this......if im wrong then im wrong...what ever happens happens..maybe America will last another 100 yrs. If my reading of the bible is correct...and between now and the very end there appears no other nation on earth that could match America to fullfill the prophecy of the last day Babylon...then the worst case scenario is listed above!

For those patriotic Americans out there....do me a favour please before you spit at your computer and play the star spangled banner...go type "america babylon" into google and do some research....you may be surprised to see what you find!!!

Finally...whats this got to do with Iran anyway??? Well Iran may be one of the nations that spoil America!

I have posted many times to various topics that illude to rise of the establishmnet of the Muslim Empire. It appears that most of my comments are ignored. Iran was named Evil doer because that is what it is. It is just another cancer cellthat is part of malignant tumor of Muslim extremist.

[edit on 27-8-2004 by flycatch]

Originally posted by flycatch
I have posted many times to various topics that illude to rise of the establishmnet of the Muslim Empire. It appears that most of my comments are ignored. Iran was named Evil doer because that is what it is. It is just another cancer cellthat is part of malignant tumor of Muslim extremist.

[edit on 27-8-2004 by flycatch]

Read about Rasik Shah and the SAVAK. CIA and M16 made that guy and that Gestapo. We could have avoided the whole of Iran being run by religious guys if we hadn't installed the Shah after Iranians elected a leader on their own and tried to nationalize their own oil.

Blowback, indeed.

Originally posted by torque
If we extended a true, honest olive branch it would be viewed with high suspicion and we'd be bashed for it. If we ignore them and let them hate at will, we will be bashed for it. If we end up in armed conflict with them, we will be blamed for it and bashed. Nothing we do will matter.

I beg to differ. Before declaring that nothing works, I would like to see the US government extend even a whimpy, withering olive branch and try to make peace.

I think Arafat is a screwup because he had undermined the peace process just when it seemed to have a chance.

But right now... The US backing of ANYTHING Israel does to the Palestinians (who ain't no angels either) just adds fuel to the fire.

Give the Palestinians 100% of the West Bank, build a grand mosque in Teheran, open a language school under the supervision of the ayatollahs, deliver $10M worth of medical aid in one day, bribe a few radical clerics. I bet you'll see changes in what you see on the Iranian TV.

Gosh I know all this will work. I wish the boneheads would understand.



[edit on 27-8-2004 by Aelita]

"Give the Palestinians 100% of the West Bank, build a grand mosque in Teheran, open a language school under the supervision of the ayatollahs, deliver $10M worth of medical aid in one day, bribe a few radical clerics. I bet you'll see changes in what you see on the Iranian TV."

So we get the good will of the Iranians and end up getting terrorized by Israelis. I wasn't aware the US had the power to "give" anyone the West Bank. I can't imagine us being allowed to build a mosque in Teheran and before I give them $10M worth of medical aid, I'd give $10M to provide health insurance for Americans. They can open their own language schools and build their own Mosques. I would also use money for something other than bribing clerics. I wouldn't give it to the corrupt religious leaders in my own country, why grease 'em up somewhere else?? And they've got human rights issues to resolve before I cross their palms with silver for any reason. Screw Iranian tv, let them think what they want. If we paid them for their good will and alienated another group of people in order to get them on our side, we'd still be told "You're only doing it because you're afraid of them/you want their oil/you want to use them to get to someone else's oil/blah blah blah". We leave Israel in the dust and suddenly we're liked because we're perceived as anti-Semitic. That's not going to do it.

Originally posted by torque
So we get the good will of the Iranians and end up getting terrorized by Israelis.

There are like 3 million Jews in New York city, I can't see Israelis operating here

I wasn't aware the US had the power to "give" anyone the West Bank.

Oh really??? Try to cut billions of military aid to Israel and spend the money on universal health insurance. Give it a couple of years and there'll be miracles. I mean the US will be healthier

I can't imagine us being allowed to build a mosque in Teheran and before I give them $10M worth of medical aid, I'd give $10M to provide health insurance for Americans. They can open their own language schools and build their own Mosques. I would also use money for something other than bribing clerics. I wouldn't give it to the corrupt religious leaders in my own country, why grease 'em up somewhere else??

Are we being overly idealistic here? Is is not time to get a little pragmatic?
there is $100B a year being sunk in Iraq, how do you feel about that... I'm talking BIG savings, my friend.

And they've got human rights issues to resolve before I cross their palms with silver for any reason.

Rights shmites. I'm talking about engaging a nation first.

A poster has mentioned the Bible in this thread in a kind of 'end of days' context.

I would just like to comment that much to the chagrin of many US Bible-believing fundamentalists (settle down now RC's and Episcopalians I'm talking about the literal types) no matter how hard you twist it the Bible doesn't mention the USA at all, ever.

That's a bit odd considering it's meant to be the inspired word of God and subject to human constraints.

That bugs the hell out of them (not even the most oblique reference) and makes me giggle my tooties off.

Wow, Americans complaing about telivision brainwashing

Well, so what, they hate Americans, guess what, alot of the world does, pre-bush...

Should we invade them now? Just becuase thier anti-American, and wait, they may also pose a threat to the freedoms and liberties we rever so much.

Deep

"Rights shmites". Oh, brother.

I don't make friends with people who abuse their kids or animals, I turn them in. If I were a country, I'd not bother with most of the globe for that same reason. Put a stop to them, then let them alone.

I know a lot of American Jews and none of the ones I know can stand Israelis. Something internal, I have nothing to do with it and have no further knowledge of it other than to have been told that it's like some black Americans don't like Africans. I don't care how many are here, there's trouble if we cut off Israel and I'm not willing to do it to win the friggin Iranians. Personally, if I could drop the hammer on 'em, I'd rev up an alternative to oil, pull everybody out of the Middle East and let 'em jihad each other to death. If they came here sniffin around for trouble, I'd light 'em up. That's how I feel, plain and simple. The only ones I care about anywhere in the world in any country are the people who are being tortured and abused by their leaders. I care about the victims of the Sudanese government's abuses, but not about Sudan. I cared about the people being tortured, murdered and living in fear of Saddam, but not about Iraq. I don't care if Iran disappears into the dirt, but I care if people are suffering and dying at the hands of their government. My agenda is very different from my country's agenda.

Why would we give anything to the terrorists? I mean palestinians? They don't want the West Bank, they want Israel gone. The only way to appease them is to nuke Israel. They are taught that jews go out and eat their babies. They are taught the reason life is bad for them is because of the jews, not because Arafat has a few million dollars he hoards to himself and his upper class. About 90% of the wealth of the palestinians bleongs to Arafat&Co.

If we want to end the terrorism of the palestinians either nuke Israel, a nation, a legal and recognized nation, or the people that strap bombs on their babies and blow em up at a hospital or school or bus.

Originally posted by torque
Personally, if I could drop the hammer on 'em, I'd rev up an alternative to oil, pull everybody out of the Middle East and let 'em jihad each other to death.

Amen. I agree with you.

I don't care if Iran disappears into the dirt, but I care if people are suffering and dying at the hands of their government.

I see you point but there is a contradiction in what you are saying. People are organized into nations. What happens to them depends on how exactly they are organized. In that sense, you should care about Iran disappearing into the dirt. Looks like Sudan is doing exactly that

My agenda is very different from my country's agenda.

There are some people on this board who would call you very non-patriotic

Wow! This is incredible. But I can imagine that very easily. Perhaps, Iran knows, they will come next on the list. So the population is gonna fight against the US?

Iran has a right to be pissed with the u.s.a, the did after all give Iraq chemical weapons to use AGAINST iran in the iraq iran war. If some one sells some one else a gun with the itention of that person shooting me im gonna be pissed just as much as the guy you sold the gun as the guy who shot it.

Another thing i keep noticeing is people grouping iran with arab countrys. Iranians are not Arabs we are Persians, get it right, we have only fought Arabs since before the Romans.

There is just as much brain washing in U.S as there, it may be a little more subtle but i happens, you see a bunch of black guys walking down the street wearing hip hop clothes i see it all the time people walk away and you cant tell think of them as a threat where as a bunch of white people doing the same thing are not proceived as a threat, but where i live the white kids are more likely to do something to you. Brain washing as been going on for years, from the beginning of the Catholic Church in engalnd and europe to uncle sam promising a nice adventure and the chance to see the world in world war 2, goverments have been feeding the world more crap then you can shake a stick at for a long time now.

I would also like to make note that Iran has never attacked another country first, they have never given the first shot.

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As a female, I'm wary of any group of males walking down the street, regardless of their (sometimes unfortunate) fashion statements.

I group Iran with, not Arabs, but all the people over there who would love to see Americans killed and the U.S. destroyed. If they clapped when the towers went down, screw 'em.

I don't care who thinks I'm unpatriotic. Other people's thoughts on how I should feel or think rarely mean anything to me.

Caring about people and not nations is not contradictory. Nations change. Civilizations rise and fall. Some who were powerful in the past are no longer even here today. Borders are defined and redefined. Fought over. Won and lost. Empires are built and toppled. But rape is rape. Beatings, torture and starvation don't change with languages or lats and longs. Pain and hopelessness are universal.

The only country I care about as a "nation" is the U.S. Outside my country's borders, the rest are just people. Big groups of people. And I feel the same about people whether they're in my country or not. Some are good and must be helped. Others are very, very bad and must go.

Originally posted by torque
If they clapped when the towers went down, screw 'em.

- The point is they didn't. They sent messages of support and condolences.

(not that many seem to care to hear the facts of this)

Yes, and Arafat even made a show of donating blood. Just as all are suspicious of anything our president says or does, I am suspicious of any outpouring of any kind from otherwise hostile people. In any country what is done outwardly often differs from what is done behind closed doors in the privacy of our homes. The public expression of sympathy is seen while the private celebration of another's downfall is done without scrutiny.

If a country has it so great.... then another country screws it up for them... then they later have a chance to make it all great again, why don't they? Nobody will do anything about the bad guys. The good guys stay quiet. They can hate anyone they want. Nothing's going to change that. I guess maybe I don't understand because I don't hate a country. Any country. If I hate anything, it's the various governmental entities that run these countries. The country is just made up of people. The governments are made up of aquisitional, power drunk sub-humans who often feed off the population. I don't exclude the U.S. in this. Seems like a good time for revolution in various forms and various places.

Iran hates us? NOOOOOOOOOO.....say it aint so!!!!!!! :O

Where have you been the past 25 years?

Originally posted by torque
Caring about people and not nations is not contradictory. Nations change. Civilizations rise and fall. Some who were powerful in the past are no longer even here today. Borders are defined and redefined. Fought over. Won and lost. Empires are built and toppled. But rape is rape. Beatings, torture and starvation don't change with languages or lats and longs. Pain and hopelessness are universal.

I applaud your humanitarian impulse. I just think we should get a bit more pragmatic here. I know full well that civilization rise and fall (mine just did back in 1992). All I'm saying is that caring should have a practical angle. That involves dealing with the nations.

I don't see giving someone who hates us a bunch of money and aid and bribing their religious leaders and cutting off others who are friendly to us. I don't see that as a way to be pragmatic in dealing with nations. You hate me, and want to kill me, so here... have an apple pie and a new school. Doesn't wash. That's why I guess I can't deal on that level. I'm more of the "How about if you stop acting like a bunch of douchebags for 5 minutes, and we'll stop acting like a bunch of douchebags for 5 minutes and then maybe we can sit down at the table and figure this out". That's the best I can do for the situation. Trouble is, we're dealing now with people who don't want to sit down at the table, they want us to sit down first, then they want to blow it up. The Iranians have a choice of becoming one with those people or making a point of NOT being in with that crowd. To hear some tell it, they're making the non-productive choice. But since they don't seem to want a relationship with the U.S. anyway, then screw it, who cares? Hate us. The line forms to the right.