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The probability of life in the universe is low according to what we know,so how LOW is the probability of other aliens being humanoid???they could look like anything,we can't even imagine what they could look like because they would be different to anything that lives on earth...
mpeake wrote:
The reason people beleive aliens look similiar to humans is becuase we want them to. We feel that right now we are the top of the food chain and we are the best that any species can get. So if there was to be another race of beings out there with the capabilites to travel here and make contact, well, they must be highly evolved like us. So we give them human attributes, like eyes, nostrils, ears, etc...all because we use them on a daily basis. If we use them, why wouldn't they be used on another lifeform?
To me it's also due to the fact that humans fear the unkown. People fear what they don't know, so to make aliens more likeable in their mind, they make them less unkown. If you were shown 2 different aliens, one with 2 arms, 2 legs, a pair of feet and hands, eyes, ears, and a nose and then show them one with no arms and legs, no human facial features, perhaps a jellyfish like body with tentacles and it dripped goo, which one would you gravitate towards? My money is on the humanoid version. We create the version that will be most appealing cause we don't want to fear it. Religion has done the same thing to God. It gave him a long white beard, and a flowing white robe and put him atop a cloud looking down on us. It's all the same.
Originally posted by Minime
I'm just thinking, why does all this Alien stuff happen in the USA? There must be a reason for this.
Originally posted by heelstone
Originally posted by Minime
I'm just thinking, why does all this Alien stuff happen in the USA? There must be a reason for this.
NUFORC.org has a large list of international UFO events. Check the link below. Over 2,700 and growing.
www.nuforc.org...
As for actual alien sightings, a large percentage come from South America as you can read for yourself on the long lists of alien sightings on ufoinfo.com (link below). There are quite a few euro and asian reports as well. Not much comes out of Africa, but then we really never have much access to African media sources.
www.ufoinfo.com...
Seems to me to be a global phenomenon.
[edit on 26-8-2004 by heelstone]
The probability of life in the universe is low according to what we know
Yet there's tons of info about where they come from,what tech they use,how they reproduce and communicate...but how do they know?
Originally posted by Gazrok
Not true, from a purely statistical standpoint, for example, the Drake Equation, there is an almost certain probablity of not only extraterrestrial life, but other sentient and advanced races as well.
Yes,but we can't say the galaxy is full of intelligent beings can we?And I never said there were NONE.
Lets look at NASA's recent announcements of water on Mars. Where there is water, we have found life. So we have potentially two out of nine planets, around an average star, in an average galaxy harboring life in one form or another. With billions upon billions of such stars, and likewise numerous galaxies, it's actually the REVERSE which seems to be obvious...that the odds are against there NOT being other beings out there...
from a universal point of view there are certainly thousands if not millions oflife bearing planets
Now let's look at the evidence for aliens/UFOs.
Numerous photos, videos, etc. (yes, some are faked by hoaxers, but not all, especially such footage as NASA footage, gun camera films, etc.)
I have yet to see a convincing video,except the mexican one I can't think of many
Numerous eyewitnesses, from military (even high-ranking), to other professionals, and from many different nations of the world, and spanning a time frame PRIOR to all of those sci fi movies, through today. Some of these witnesses are even Ex Presidents! (Sure some are whackos, but they are a minority)
good point
The undeniable coverup of the Roswell incident, remaining as the only time the US Army ever went on record as recovering an extraterrestrial disc. (and then of course retracted it)
where is the undeniable proof? if your talking about what the military said about it after the crash (flying saucer) before they said it was a weather balloon,it could also be disinformation to cover something else
There are even pieces of material debris that seem to defy our current abilities of manufacturing (one of Art Bell's guests, should be an easy search).
I will look it up
I'm assuming you're speaking of the Reticulan Grays? The basics surrounding the grays are pulled from many sources, spanning many years, that seem to be referring to the same entities.. Here's a quick recap off the top of my head, of some of the evidence of them...
1. Abduction of Betty and Barney Hill...pretty much the Roswell of abduction cases. Interestingly enough, Betty was able to draw a star map and indicate the position of the aliens' homeworld and system (Zeti Reticuli binary star system). Even more peculiar, is that these stars would not be visable from the Hill's hemisphere, so it isn't as if they were drawing familiar constellations....(and they have no astronomical background).
yeah,I can choose a star and say the same thing and if i am lucky someone will discover a star there providing proof for my alien abduction story
2. Numerous government documents alluding to the Zeti Reticuli system in connection with EBEs (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities) (there are likely some fakes in here, but there are some which hold up to scrutiny as well...majesticdocuments.com if you want to look, but I won't do the research for you...) There are also documents describing the inner appearance of the craft, and some of this corresponds well with both abductees, and Lazar's info (given below)
3. Interestingly enough, a couple years back, in the project to detect planets outside the solar system...a planetary system was discovered around Zeti Reticuli 2 (the same star claimed by the rest of my points here), yet then, it was announced as a "mistake" and then retracted.
and what if it WAS an error?
4. Robert Lazar came out about some work he did at Area 51. There is ample evidence of his background being "scrubbed" by authorities, or at least some party. He too disclosed the 4th planet around the second star in that system as the homeworld for the aliens. Lazar is one of the primary sources for the drive system thought to be used...which simply corresponds to some other sources...
if what he said was true he would be in trouble for disclosing top secret stuff,no?
We don't really "KNOW" anything. Most of the material dealing with reproduction, etc. is from ONE source...(those involved with the UFO CoverUp Live shows, the Aviary, Yellow Book, whatever you want to reference here....) so that's still pretty up in the air... But, we can look at all the sources out there, and see where things corraborate and support the same arguement...and then make up our own minds.
Gaz, you are not part of the Zetatalk
My alien 'friends" never said they were from Zeta reticuli
Yes,but we can't say the galaxy is full of intelligent beings can we?And I never said there were NONE.
from a universal point of view there are certainly thousands if not millions oflife bearing planets
I have yet to see a convincing video,except the mexican one I can't think of many
where is the undeniable proof? if your talking about what the military said about it after the crash (flying saucer) before they said it was a weather balloon,it could also be disinformation to cover something else
I will look it up
yeah,I can choose a star and say the same thing and if i am lucky someone will discover a star there providing proof for my alien abduction story
and what if it WAS an error?
if what he said was true he would be in trouble for disclosing top secret stuff,no?
Originally posted by electric
I'll present my arguments from a purely astrobiological point of view.
I was taught in school that the chances of other stars, besides the Sun, having planets was very low. This was not true. Combine this with trickles of creationism and you end up with a group of people not very acceptant about the huge possiblilities for life existing elsewhere.
The universe isn't an extremely diverse place, fundamentally. There's only one thing out there - galaxies. Galaxies at different levels of formation. From quasars to complete circular spirals. These galaxies consist of stars at different levels of formation.
The processes involved in star formation are the same throughout the galaxy and throughout the entire universe.
The same galaxies, the same stars, the same elements, the same planet formation.
It's not a question of which planets have life, it's a question of how long does life sustain itself for on each planet?
Why would life evolve similarly on other planets as it has done on Earth? I can safely say that it's due to the nature of the lowest point on the food chain, plant life. Plants have a unique ability to derive most of their energy from radiation sources, such as the Sun. Plant life evolves to effectively utilise the source of radiation, such as extending multiple armatures with radiation receivers. Plant life then becomes the environment for the evolution of everything else.
At one point or another, human ancestors (protoprimate like mammals) were tree climbers. Tree climbing is the basis for our current form.
Originally posted by DarkSide
I am sure that somewhere,in the universe there is at least 1 alien civilisation.but I find it hard to believe that they visit earth and look like little green men except that they are grey.That they abducts humans to probe them and mutilate cows.of course these mutilations always happen in the USA,why not in the rest of the world? they have lots of cows to choose from
Yet there's tons of info about where they come from,what tech they use,how they reproduce and communicate...but how do they know?Abductions are probably halucinations after all because all these stories about greys and reptilians appeared strangely enough after scifi films of the 50's and all that.
The probability of life in the universe is low according to what we know,so how LOW is the probability of other aliens being humanoid???they could look like anything,we can't even imagine what they could look like because they would be different to anything that lives on earth...
Actually, the Betty Hill map wasn't even drawn from an Earth dwelling viewpoint!