The answer to life the unverse and everything

Originally posted by DomCheetham
1 dimension is nothing so that we agree on (wipes sweat from head)
2 dimensions is flat like playing cards. I think we are in that 2d plane.

well, if you are going by traditional definitions, the 1st dimension isn't considered nothing, it is considered a single point, this would lead to the 2nd dimension being the playing card you are describing...

what you are talking about is not directly related to height, width, and depth, so the second dimension doesn't HAVE to be that card shaped object. (even the card is technically a 3 dimensional object. we cannot actually perceive 2D as it would be invisible to our 3D awareness)

OP, valiant effort but it is far more simple than you think.


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You have to consider that nothing is nothing so how do you get 3 dimensions from nothing.

i see what you are saying it just to complicated for me to understand that. And i want it to make sence.

reply to post by MasterGemini


Thanks i will look into it.

Originally posted by DomCheetham
how do you get a universe from nothing

now that is the question that has believers in a higher power/God...

this is why I felt your 2nd dimension was an energy that exists both outside and inside our universe, and was the catalyst for our universe coming into existance.

something caused our universe to be created, and it had to have been an infinite energy source to accomplish what they say happend in the 1st second after the BB

just to add, according to my understanding of the Big Bang theory, there was nothing before space came into existance, this is why there was hyperinflation that caused the universe to expand so quickly in the first moments after the BB

Originally posted by kalisdad

Originally posted by DomCheetham
how do you get a universe from nothing

now that is the question that has believers in a higher power/God...

this is why I felt your 2nd dimension was an energy that exists both outside and inside our universe, and was the catalyst for our universe coming into existance.

something caused our universe to be created, and it had to have been an infinite energy source to accomplish what they say happend in the 1st second after the BB

I think you need 5 dimensions for the big bang.

Originally posted by DomCheetham
I think you need 5 dimensions for the big bang.

the problem to me is that people think 3D(height/width/depth) and assume those are the first 3 dimensions and everything else is after that...

but what if they are actually dimensions 6, 7, & 8?
with 5 dimensions before and after those 3, that we just cannot detect.

3 dimensions could not come before 1 dimension.

is time a dimension

if time is a dimension how did it start

reply to post by DomCheetham


personally I do not believe that time is a dimension. I think its a manmade concept of perception.

Ever had a moment where time has seemed to slow down for you? be in an exciting moment in a sporting event, or at the moment of a vehicular accident?

did time slow down for everyone during that moment, or was it just you?

time is all perception...

Originally posted by kalisdad

Originally posted by DomCheetham
I think you need 5 dimensions for the big bang.

the problem to me is that people think 3D(height/width/depth) and assume those are the first 3 dimensions and everything else is after that...

but what if they are actually dimensions 6, 7, & 8?
with 5 dimensions before and after those 3, that we just cannot detect.

Love your idea about this! I disagree with the premise of this thread but this type of thinking is needed none the less!

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Time exists because somthing came from nothing. we have clocks that tell us the time it means that there is a start and an end to everything. How does everything start.

Originally posted by MasterGemini
Love your idea about this! I disagree with the premise of this thread but this type of thinking is needed none the less!

I am still not sure what the premise of this thread is, I am just trying to help him work things out...

someone needs to

Originally posted by DomCheetham
3 dimensions could not come before 1 dimension.

exactly, and if we have determined for the sake of this discussion that the 1st dimension is nothing(outside our universe), then that means 3D has to be somewhere starting after your 1st dimension(most likely somewhere around 3D-5D)

3d equals depth but one dimension is nothing.

Originally posted by DomCheetham
Time exists because somthing came from nothing. we have clocks that tell us the time it means that there is a start and an end to everything. How does everything start.

edit on 23-9-2011 by DomCheetham because: (no reason given)

Time is relative to the observer though...

our existance on Earth gives us the static rate of time as we know it. We built the clocks that show us time, but time existed long before the first clocks were ever built.

time also moves at different rates depending on its position to gravity, this is why there is time dialation near the event horizon of a black hole. my understanding, is that the further from a point of gravity that one travels the slower time moves

1d is nothing
2d is flat
3d has depth
4d has time

reply to post by kalisdad


i think you starting to understand

time was created when gravity was.